VN Ren'Py Little Regina [v0.43-2] [EchoFoxtrot]

[Darklord1234]

Unbeknownst to us all MC was the inspiration for the song Detachable Penis. That scene was SO dumb and unecessary lol.

 

[MrJay]

I guess I can understand that it took you out of the mood, but you're inside the mind of the MC and that is a place were axes and baseball bats are used in creative ways with no remorse. That has it's price. It is a place where unnerving feelings/music follow everyday events (Unless foxy is there). This was the big one I have hinted at a couple of times, it had to be faced before he could continue. The demons came back when he could least afford it so to speak.

I could not see a way for MC to have sex with Jessie and not have faced it first.

Just to clarify, I wasn't really complaining about all the other excessive violence. And I understand that MC is supposed to be a character that has "been through some shit".

My point is that "The big one" could have been something else, something that carried the kind of weight you were going for without being all of unrealistic, silly and seriously off-putting all in one.

Also, trauma doesn't need to be grotesque to be debilitating. Some of the worst things you can do to a human is just to keep them in isolation, that kind of treatment consistently fuck up humans much, much worse than even the worst imaginable injuries.

Basically, psychological trauma fucks up a person much worse than bodily trauma does, typically. Cutting off someones genitals is far from the worst thing you can do to someone, it's just that it comes across as kind of... crass? I guess that word might fit. It's not the choice of trauma that serves the story best and it will probably just have players feel a kind of aversion that's not going to help you or the story at all. That's what I feel anyway.

 

[Darklord1234]

My point is that "The big one" could have been something else, something that carried the kind of weight you were going for without being all of unrealistic, silly and seriously off-putting all in one.

THIS. Especially the unrealistic and silly part.

 

[Darklord1234]

And the line that goes something like "they had a special dick doctor"...so fucking stupid and cringe af. How to totally kill immersion anyone? Lol.

 

[EchoFoxtrot]

Just to clarify, I wasn't really complaining about all the other excessive violence. And I understand that MC is supposed to be a character that has "been through some shit".

My point is that "The big one" could have been something else, something that carried the kind of weight you were going for without being all of unrealistic, silly and seriously off-putting all in one.

Also, trauma doesn't need to be grotesque to be debilitating. Some of the worst things you can do to a human is just to keep them in isolation, that kind of treatment consistently fuck up humans much, much worse than even the worst imaginable injuries.

Basically, psychological trauma fucks up a person much worse than bodily trauma does, typically. Cutting off someones genitals is far from the worst thing you can do to someone, it's just that it comes across as kind of... crass? I guess that word might fit. It's not the choice of trauma that serves the story best and it will probably just have players feel a kind of aversion that's not going to help you or the story at all. That's what I feel anyway.

Yeah for sure trauma is a very personal thing and it does not have to come from physical violence at all.
Some of the worst is the kind that changes a person's perception of normalcy like with prolonged abuse. Absolutely I agree with you.

I went with it this way but thank you for telling me how you feel about it. I try to always improve my story telling so I appreciate it

 

[Darklord1234]

I try to always improve my story telling so I appreciate it

Protip: Never use the line "special dick doctor". Lmao.

 

[MissFortune]

Protip: Never use the line "special dick doctor". Lmao.

Jesus christ. That's five posts over the same thing. We get it. You don't like it. Shut the fuck up and move onto something you do like instead of wasting everyone's time bitching and moaning.

Also, there's a lot of research happening in penile prosthetics. While it mostly currently aimed at ED, it's certainly possible a shift toward something like this (especially with the massive spike in trans people) could happen.

 

[monk_56]

Protip: Never use the line "special dick doctor". Lmao.

But...there are "special dick doctors" out there in the real world. They are called "reconstructive urologists." Sure the tech aint quite there yet for what we have in the VN- but it isn't a huge leap of science to go from not being able to do it to being able to do it- and it requires very little suspension of disbelief.

I honestly don't get the point of your arguments. Most of them just seems to stem from your general discomfort with the image of someones dick being snipped off. It has made you so uncomfortable that even though it *was not part of the actual sex scene* you carried that baggage with out all the way to the sex scene and let it ruin your experience. Which, fair point if you are squeamish I guess. I personally found it very simple to compartmentalize the two parts into what they were.

Honestly, I thought for a long bit about if the Dev maybe *should* have had some of that trauma of the snip-snip parallel in the actual scene and have Foxy help him get through it. In the end I thought the dev did it relatively well regardless.

Bro's dick looks fine. I'd fuck a ginger with it.

 

[Jorund]

But...there are "special dick doctors" out there in the real world. They are called "reconstructive urologists." Sure the tech aint quite there yet for what we have in the VN- but it isn't a huge leap of science to go from not being able to do it to being able to do it- and it requires very little suspension of disbelief.

I honestly don't get the point of your arguments. Most of them just seems to stem from your general discomfort with the image of someones dick being snipped off. It has made you so uncomfortable that even though it *was not part of the actual sex scene* you carried that baggage with out all the way to the sex scene and let it ruin your experience. Which, fair point if you are squeamish I guess. I personally found it very simple to compartmentalize the two parts into what they were.

Honestly, I thought for a long bit about if the Dev maybe *should* have had some of that trauma of the snip-snip parallel in the actual scene and have Foxy help him get through it. In the end I thought the dev did it relatively well regardless.

Bro's dick looks fine. I'd fuck a ginger with it.

It destroys the immersion for me too. You don't just 'reconstruct' a complete cut off dick ... and even if you try, nerves don't just grow as if they knew what they are for. They can reconnect and regenerate, but whatever is used as transplant (unless it's a Frankenstein-dick from a donor) won't have nearly as many nerve endings as a real one. So probably forget about nutting without some help (electro stimulation or something like that).
Solution would be so simple: just have them mutilate MCs dick, stick a knife through, slice it.. whatever. Plenty of discomfort coming from that but much more believable to have that reconstructed.

To me thats one point that takes this game from full 5 stars down to 4 atm. I really like it but i just value immersion too much, at least in stories that 'try' to be believable.

 

[Darklord1234]

It destroys the immersion for me too. You don't just 'reconstruct' a complete cut off dick ... and even if you try, nerves don't just grow as if they knew what they are for. They can reconnect and regenerate, but whatever is used as transplant (unless it's a Frankenstein-dick from a donor) won't have nearly as many nerve endings as a real one. So probably forget about nutting without some help (electro stimulation or something like that).
Solution would be so simple: just have them mutilate MCs dick, stick a knife through, slice it.. whatever. Plenty of discomfort coming from that but much more believable to have that reconstructed.

To me thats one point that takes this game from full 5 stars down to 4 atm. I really like it but i just value immersion too much, at least in stories that 'try' to be believable.

At least this guy gets it. Rest of you are being fucking ridiculous.

 

[Darklord1234]

Jesus christ. That's five posts over the same thing. We get it. You don't like it. Shut the fuck up and move onto something you do like instead of wasting everyone's time bitching and moaning.

Also, there's a lot of research happening in penile prosthetics. While it mostly currently aimed at ED, it's certainly possible a shift toward something like this (especially with the massive spike in trans people) could happen.

How about YOU stfu? Yeah I'm harassing the dev a bit but come on he kinda deserves it. This went from a rare 5 star to less with just that one dumbass scene. Agreed it COULD happen...but it hasn't yet...just ask those same trans people. Get the fuck over yourself dude.

 

[EchoFoxtrot]

It destroys the immersion for me too. You don't just 'reconstruct' a complete cut off dick ... and even if you try, nerves don't just grow as if they knew what they are for. They can reconnect and regenerate, but whatever is used as transplant (unless it's a Frankenstein-dick from a donor) won't have nearly as many nerve endings as a real one. So probably forget about nutting without some help (electro stimulation or something like that).
Solution would be so simple: just have them mutilate MCs dick, stick a knife through, slice it.. whatever. Plenty of discomfort coming from that but much more believable to have that reconstructed.

To me thats one point that takes this game from full 5 stars down to 4 atm. I really like it but i just value immersion too much, at least in stories that 'try' to be believable.

I do aim for realism, and I am not opposed to amending the wording.
That comment also was not meant to be a medically correct more the MC blurting out what happened.

I have a flashback event on the back burner that goes into details, like one ball survived.
Still undecided if I use that flashback or something else to go a bit deeper.

 

[Darklord1234]

I honestly don't get the point of your arguments. Most of them just seems to stem from your general discomfort with the image of someones dick being snipped off

And this assumption like most would be wrong. It is the whole "special dick doctor" bs and reconstruction that are ridiculous. As I said re-attachment like Bobbit? Sure. Total reconstruction? From what. Did he save it in a jar? The "special dick doctor" pull one from a vat and slap it on? Maybe grew it in a lab on a mouse like in South Park? You people really don't seem to get how absolutely fucking goofy it makes that scene.

 

[monk_56]

It destroys the immersion for me too. You don't just 'reconstruct' a complete cut off dick ... and even if you try, nerves don't just grow as if they knew what they are for. They can reconnect and regenerate, but whatever is used as transplant (unless it's a Frankenstein-dick from a donor) won't have nearly as many nerve endings as a real one. So probably forget about nutting without some help (electro stimulation or something like that).
Solution would be so simple: just have them mutilate MCs dick, stick a knife through, slice it.. whatever. Plenty of discomfort coming from that but much more believable to have that reconstructed.

To me thats one point that takes this game from full 5 stars down to 4 atm. I really like it but i just value immersion too much, at least in stories that 'try' to be believable.

Right- you've well summed up the limitations of how current science cannot overcome nerve damage- but there are millions of things humans couldn't *do* before that we can do now. It really isn't *that* hard to believe our medical tech could grow into being able to do that.

Regardless, it is a VN, not a work of non-fiction. It doesn't need perfect immersion and honestly, it really feels like you are cherry picking something to have an issue with since you like a lot of titles that are about as immersive as sock puppet plays.



I don't mean to put words in your mouth; maybe the games you love also don't pass your bar for immersion...but it looks like malarkey to be worried about hyper immersive science when you like a lot of titles in which the relationships and scenarios are soOOoooooO incredibly porny and unbelievable. Hell, even in LR itself I think there are things that are more immersion breaking than the dick surgery. A lot of time a lil immersion breakage is the price you pay as buy in to get your plots. Such as every girl in WVM being a set of three holes with almost incidental personalities just waiting around the school to be fucked and get sweet kisses by a milquetoast boring AF basketball star protagonist. It isn't even a little bit believable or immersive- but tons of ppl still like it for some reason.

An aside: shout-out to DS and LomL- I love those two titles.

 

[uamkt]

ok just for a little levity in here....I loved the Zootopia reference.

 

[MissFortune]

How about YOU stfu? Yeah I'm harassing the dev a bit but come on he kinda deserves it. This went from a rare 5 star to less with just that one dumbass scene. Agreed it COULD happen...but it hasn't yet...just ask those same trans people. Get the fuck over yourself dude.

I've got nothing to get over. Sounds like you do, though.

Read this back to yourself. You're harassing a developer for something you don't like in a game you got for FREE. You have zero actual right harassing anybody. No, he doesn't deserve it. He doesn't deserve some entitled child throwing a tantrum because he can't handle his emotions. I'm not the one dropping ten posts over having their immersion ruined, do you realize how immature that sounds? You sound like a child, and you're acting like one too.

If you took a minute to read what I said, I said that with the spike in LGBTQ+ people, it's inevitable that public research will shift in that direction. We're already seeing signs of limb generation/regeneration with stem cell research, and who knows what's going on under the veil in government facilities. It's likely already possible to do this, just not for public consumption.

But either way, this is fiction. In fiction, you're expected to have a level of suspension to your disbelief. If you really want to immerse yourself in reality (not something you're looking to actually do, seeing your list of games), then stop playing porn games/VNs and watch a fucking a documentary.

 

[Darklord1234]

I've got nothing to get over. Sounds like you do, though.

Read this back to yourself. You're harassing a developer for something you don't like in a game you got for FREE. You have zero actual right harassing anybody. No, he doesn't deserve it. He doesn't deserve some entitled child throwing a tantrum because he can't handle his emotions. I'm not the one dropping ten posts over having their immersion ruined, do you realize how immature that sounds? You sound like a child, and you're acting like one too.

If you took a minute to read what I said, I said that with the spike in LGBTQ+ people, it's inevitable that public research will shift in that direction. We're already seeing signs of limb generation/regeneration with stem cell research, and who knows what's going on under the veil in government facilities. It's likely already possible to do this, just not for public consumption.

But either way, this is fiction. In fiction, you're expected to have a level of suspension to your disbelief. If you really want to immerse yourself in reality (not something you're looking to actually do, seeing your list of games), then stop playing porn games/VNs and watch a fucking a documentary.

You are hilarious. So much that you assume. We all know how that works eh? Ass out of you and...well not me in this case lol. You don't know me. At. All. Yet you feel free to assume SO much about me. And acting like you have the moral high ground on a pirate site lol. You are a fine example of what is wrong in society lol. As far as harassing I felt it was fairly light-hearted and good natured but admittedly tone is not conveyed in text but seriously dude get a clue and/or maybe lighten up.

 

[MissFortune]

You are hilarious. So much that you assume. We all know how that works eh? Ass out of you and...well not me in this case lol. You don't know me. At. All. Yet you feel free to assume SO much about me. And acting like you have the moral high ground on a pirate site lol. You are a fine example of what is wrong in society lol. As far as harassing I felt it was fairly light-hearted and good natured but admittedly tone is not conveyed in text but seriously dude get a clue and/or maybe lighten up.

Poor thing. Gets called on his verbal diarrhea and starts moving the goalpost to something else entirely. You can't make ten posts about the same thing and call it 'light-hearted'. How is this being being good-natured?:

THIS. Especially the unrealistic and silly part.

And the line that goes something like "they had a special dick doctor"...so fucking stupid and cringe af. How to totally kill immersion anyone? Lol.

At least this guy gets it. Rest of you are being fucking ridiculous.

As I said re-attachment like Bobbit? Sure. Total reconstruction? From what. Did he save it in a jar? The "special dick doctor" pull one from a vat and slap it on? Maybe grew it in a lab on a mouse like in South Park? You people really don't seem to get how absolutely fucking goofy it makes that scene.

Yeah. Totally good-natured and light-hearted. And no, I don't know you. But the way you're acting about a singular, particular moment in a fictional story says a lot about you. Text or not. Trust me, I'm taking no moral high ground here. Just saying you have no right badgering someone for something you got for free. Just not a cool thing to do. The difference between you and Jorund / MrJay is that they approached the topic once with a level of respect in their criticism of the topic that yours didn't even come close to.

 

[Jorund]

Right- you've well summed up the limitations of how current science cannot overcome nerve damage- but there are millions of things humans couldn't *do* before that we can do now. It really isn't *that* hard to believe our medical tech could grow into being able to do that.

Regardless, it is a VN, not a work of non-fiction. It doesn't need perfect immersion and honestly, it really feels like you are cherry picking something to have an issue with since you like a lot of titles that are about as immersive as sock puppet plays.

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I don't mean to put words in your mouth; maybe the games you love also don't pass your bar for immersion...but it looks like malarkey to be worried about hyper immersive science when you like a lot of titles in which the relationships and scenarios are soOOoooooO incredibly porny and unbelievable. Hell, even in LR itself I think there are things that are more immersion breaking than the dick surgery. A lot of time a lil immersion breakage is the price you pay as buy in to get your plots. Such as every girl in MVM being a set of three holes with almost idenital personalites just waiting around the school to be fucked and get sweet kisses by a milquetoast boring AF basketball star protagonist. It isn't even a little bit believeable or immersive- but tons of ppl still like it for some reason.

An aside: shoutout to DS and LomL- I love those two titles.

I am not gonna deny that it's just my personal preference .. and that it is scewed in a certain way. I don't care all that much about realism especially in the purely 'feel-good'-games (i should have clarified that earlier). But when it gets dark, towards horror/psycho territory, i just can't deal with unbelievable things, at least if it's not meant to be over the top as a whole ... i wan't Misery(the movie)-level shit cause Jason, Pennywise and Freddy bore me to death.

 

[Darklord1234]

Yeah. Totally good-natured and light-hearted. And no, I don't know you. But the way you're acting about a singular, particular moment in a fictional story says a lot about you. Text or not. Trust me, I'm taking no moral high ground here. Just saying you have no right badgering someone for something you got for free. Just not a cool thing to do. The difference between you and @Jorund / @MrJay is that they approached the topic once with a level of respect in their criticism of the topic that yours didn't even come close to.

*Hands a fedora to Miss Fortune* You forgot this. Lmao