Rdegen

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Okay now I understand why people are angry about the new trailer. It honestly reminds me of those eroge VN trailers. And yeah I think it could be improved.
 
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Rdegen

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I just thought of people doing an uprising against a shitty trailer might affect the people who enjoyed this and would enjoy this in the future.
 
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- and worst of all, the music... doesn't fit the game's vibe at all, like, inusuku made a banger soundtrack for the game, and these douchebags replaced it with a generic guitar rift.
to be fair I don't think Inusuku made the soundtrack. But they did choose quite well, or well enough (I'm not critical on music). Pretty sure I once heard one of the bgms being used by a vtuber.
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But yes the trailer was funnily bad. In regards to your trailer I'm on the side of just a indirect roast and not trying to start a war, wouldn't want to make trouble for Inusuku. Worst case the update gets delayed and they stop trying to sell to western market. Best case is what? collaborate with this community and self publish? Inusuku makes Kagura Games fix their shit? or for Kagura Games to use your trailer?
 
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Here we go again...
I think this was discussed b4 by everyone even before 143 came out and it wont be long for the big reveal and everyone's prediction that Kagura will steal some1s TL again
 

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okay, I remembered to include nick this time, tysm for catching that, I was using nick's fffox mod.txt file for the spelling of usernames in the credits, and I was like, I'd better remember to include nick as well, and then I wrote the rest of my comment and got nick and shade combined lol.
Come, Shadesishere, it is time...

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First all, I'd like to say, I haven't felt such an ick since I saw the font Kagura chose.
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Having spent so long using word, photoshop, etc, and focusing on font, almost any font is a better choice than this. The two's look like stylized 8's, the 5 is just an S... Never use a font outside of a mainline one unless you're attempting to match or set a certain tone.

On the flip side, it appears that the translation is slightly different from Shadesishere's from their screenshot, with a different choice for the policy, guild rep, and mood names. And I know some are expecting the Kagura's version to be DLC since the releases are set for the same month, but as a coder for WolfRPG...it's possible...if Inusuku decided to upend the entire game's code to create a multi-language version (surprisingly possible, but lots of work), while simultaneously working on the DLC, so...don't hold your breath on that bet, at the very least.

In the end, I only ever planned to get it for the uncensored images. Unless that turns out to be a bust too, but Kagura's one main point is getting the original uncensored works from the artists for their games, which will be nice. As for the uprising, there are pros and cons. Many Japanese devs don't know how to approach the western market when trying to sell games. They would have to figure out which platforms, what rules, and what hoops to jump through, especially for a game like Inusuku's that skirts the edges of the limits of what is allowed. Therefore, doing it on their own is pretty much nil. While we dislike how Kagura and others operate, they do present an opportunity for devs to open their games to more audiences without having to worry as much. It takes a lot to get a Japanese dev's trust, so if they were told the company wasn't doing it right, without being able to understand the full context of what was wrong, being the issues involve English nuances and cultural views, they might be dissuaded from attempting English releases ever again. Why try if the trouble outweighs the gain, right? Plus, it's not like we have a big background to say 'Hey, you can trust us!'. So unless someone had a personal line of communication with Inusuku and was telling them directly with the knowledge and ability to explain everything, then Inusuku might just feel overwhelmed by a sudden perceived 'backlash' from releasing it in the west. Plus, we've never been sure whether Inusuku is okay with modding, but have always leaned toward, 'probably not', so, yeah...
Just my point of view on the situation.

However, I would find a new trailer dunking on Kagura to be very hilarious. And feel free to use any mod content.
 

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Come, Shadesishere, it is time...

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First all, I'd like to say, I haven't felt such an ick since I saw the font Kagura chose.
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Having spent so long using word, photoshop, etc, and focusing on font, almost any font is a better choice than this. The two's look like stylized 8's, the 5 is just an S... Never use a font outside of a mainline one unless you're attempting to match or set a certain tone.

On the flip side, it appears that the translation is slightly different from Shadesishere's from their screenshot, with a different choice for the policy, guild rep, and mood names. And I know some are expecting the Kagura's version to be DLC since the releases are set for the same month, but as a coder for WolfRPG...it's possible...if Inusuku decided to upend the entire game's code to create a multi-language version (surprisingly possible, but lots of work), while simultaneously working on the DLC, so...don't hold your breath on that bet, at the very least.

In the end, I only ever planned to get it for the uncensored images. Unless that turns out to be a bust too, but Kagura's one main point is getting the original uncensored works from the artists for their games, which will be nice. As for the uprising, there are pros and cons. Many Japanese devs don't know how to approach the western market when trying to sell games. They would have to figure out which platforms, what rules, and what hoops to jump through, especially for a game like Inusuku's that skirts the edges of the limits of what is allowed. Therefore, doing it on their own is pretty much nil. While we dislike how Kagura and others operate, they do present an opportunity for devs to open their games to more audiences without having to worry as much. It takes a lot to get a Japanese dev's trust, so if they were told the company wasn't doing it right, without being able to understand the full context of what was wrong, being the issues involve English nuances and cultural views, they might be dissuaded from attempting English releases ever again. Why try if the trouble outweighs the gain, right? Plus, it's not like we have a big background to say 'Hey, you can trust us!'. So unless someone had a personal line of communication with Inusuku and was telling them directly with the knowledge and ability to explain everything, then Inusuku might just feel overwhelmed by a sudden perceived 'backlash' from releasing it in the west. Plus, we've never been sure whether Inusuku is okay with modding, but have always leaned toward, 'probably not', so, yeah...
Just my point of view on the situation.

However, I would find a new trailer dunking on Kagura to be very hilarious. And feel free to use any mod content.
What kind of nutjobs woke up one day and decided they'd make 'E', '5', and '2' look like that, and the letter's distance in the stats looks uneven as well. God, the font is awful.
 

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Okay, I thought the trailer was just bad in a funny way, but this... this is plain shit. I've seen some pretty ugly font choices in official releases before, but this might be the first one that makes numbers hard to read. What an achievement!

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In the end, I only ever planned to get it for the uncensored images.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that. I'm curious to see what Inusuku's originals look like.
 
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I'm curious to see what Inusuku's originals look like.
I won't count how many times pixiv (censored) images were far better than twitter (uncensored) counterpart. It's kind of shocking at first until you realize they've censoring few bullshit lines for decades now just to save time

It's still way better now then ever before, thought. Artists figured out they can patreon/fanbox/etc uncensored versions for even more shekels but that's still relatively new practice. Even then the censored version might look better so don't be surprised if inusuku's vagoogoo and benis will be interior to mello's. However it sounds.
 

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It's kind of shocking at first until you realize they've censoring few bullshit lines for decades now just to save time
I'm not sure if 18+ artists have similar stories but I've heard there's been a few loli artists who were "celebrated" as drawing fantastic uncensored art and then a few years later hear it was because they had proper reference material that they were arrested for.
 

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the more I look at this image, the worse it gets.

let's start a list :

The font(s) : makes money amount almost unreadable, the day counter is probably going to overlap once it hits double digits, and the font sizes are just really wonky (more so than my translation, and I had to play around to get everything to fit!)
they removed State (probably due to space limitations) from the status bar.
Changed the names of the combat stats (Not a bad thing, but Attack, Skill, Defence, Determination? and Intelligence... it's almost like...)
the Policy box doesn't have transparency (can see pure white at the corners of it, big whoops there, as if they did the same to ability screen... and battle skills... hooo boy...)

In fact... I would say it's almost like Kagura is trying to distance itself from the style used in the translation...

and this is what they have to show after... can someone get me an accurate timeframe? because honestly, I'm feeling embarrassed on their behalf now.

*edit* found another pic of Kagura's version

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Actions is now boxes? that font is still there, and frankly makes everything a mess.
 
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Seriously guys, let's get over it and just be happy inusuku's work is going to have more visibility and potentially will become uncensored.
 
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Seriously guys, let's get over it and just be happy inusuku's work is going to have more visibility and potentially will become uncensored.
I don't think a creator is happy that his game is treated like shit and the one's buying it are not gonna experience what Inusuku intended, just saying...
 

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on revealing our community to inusuku in a tweet roasting the mf's at kagura

Hey there
= I was here and I support either outcome
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Thinking Face
= let's not reveal our community, but go ahead and roast kagura's bad trailer
= negative vote

Angry
= let's waste those mf's for giving inusuku a bad deal, who cares if we have to risk a little.
= positive vote

I just jizzed my pants
= I'm braindead, kagura's trailer is lit af, and I would purchase the game with no hesitation if I saw that trailer on steam, with zero prior knowledge of inusuku.
= -0 vote

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Shadesishere gets 15 votes for
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do I have your permission to show translated images for a second, equivalent, full english trailer with your translations in example images.
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I will stick to japanese ver. gameplay footage and translated annotations like in kagura's trailer.

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daseson gets 15 votes for
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- if the vote goes through:
can I make a second mod trailer showcasing some coloured scenes and the emotes, if inusuku shows a positive reaction to our modding community, that is.

mello.second gets 10 votes for
- finished decensor mod.

akapp gets 10 votes for
- new image mod.

- if the vote goes through:
can I make a third mod trailer showcasing some of your new cg and post it to twitter.

linylo gets 7 votes
- 1 for posting this
- 2 for mobile color mod port that should have been updated ages ago since daseson colored some new cg, but I'm terrible with procrastination if I don't force myself to keep a schedule. sorry 'bout dat folks.
- 4 for trailer creation.

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The truth is I understand your anger, it is very ugly to see what they are doing with the game.

I have been following Inusuku for a while and I have seen that every time someone mentions something to him about modifying his games his responses have always been bad, so I highly doubt that if you add color images Inusuku will see them favorably.

In his post where he talked about the color for Fantasy he mentioned that coloring it at this time would degrade the art since all the images in the game were made to be monochrome. He also mentioned that if he had wanted to make the game in color, he would have done it in color from the beginning of its development.

That said, I don't think it's a good idea to put color images in your trailer, because if it happens that Inusuku doesn't like it and asks me to stop the development of the color mod and eliminate all traces of it. Out of admiration for his work, I would do it.

But as I mentioned in the color mod post, it would be selfish of me to tell you not to take the images since the images are not mine but Inusuku's, what I do is take them without permission from the author and color them.

So I have no right to tell them not to do the same thing that I have already done.

But well that would be my point of view, having said all that, you don't need my approval to take the color images, really anyone can do it, whether I agree or not is irrelevant, but you must take into account the risks that this would have.

Changing the subject, the truth is it's kind of sad to see what Kagura is doing with the game :(, I'm sure we're not the only ones who want to make Inusuku see the way they are degrading his game, I just hope he sees the comments objectively and consider the idea of looking for other alternatives to distribute your works in other countries.
 

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third and final reply to this particular message.

I will add the use of unused assets to my nitpicking kagura's trailer notes.

also omg, I never noticed the imouto in classroom cg when looking through the files before, that's so cute.

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*looks over with pleading eyes.
"won't you please work together and give this imouto a (right) hand and color her sometime?"
"plz"
If Akapp redraws the scene, I would be more than happy to color it :3.

In that scene there is another image where Kasumi appears talking to the sister.
 
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