What you call superfluous gimmicks, I call elements of gameplay. Because they're making a game, not just a walking simulator (like 0.8), or a visual novel, or a porn gallery like the majority of the porn "games" out there.
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There is enough porn with Krystal in the internet for any taste, that's why me and other people expecting to see the actual game, which you can play. While I'm agree with some statements from the other side, that game should be build in sexy atmosphere, like it was in first game ver. 0.8. Not throwing sex scenes out of the blue and not forget about them at all.
I just hope that they don't repeat they last mistakes from previous game, where was tedious repeating grind, which only distracted you from your main interest. Gameplay features should be entertaining and grind mechanics rewarding. Last time I checked game it was ver 0.0.2 and I quickly noticed that game really getting better, it's not that clunky as it was in first demo release, after which I had great doubts about the future of the game, and now I see some potential, that this game can become to a good rpg. Anyway, there is nothing we can lose here on F95, we can try this versions until we are sure whether the project is worth our money/attention or not. As for me, I looking on this game at time to time, not to often, so I have no hype and therefore any expectations about it, if it fails I won't be sad, if succeed, well, it will be a good thing.
I just hope that they don't repeat they last mistakes from previous game, where was tedious repeating grind, which only distracted you from your main interest. Gameplay features should be entertaining and grind mechanics rewarding. Last time I checked game it was ver 0.0.2 and I quickly noticed that game really getting better, it's not that clunky as it was in first demo release, after which I had great doubts about the future of the game, and now I see some potential, that this game can become to a good rpg. Anyway, there is nothing we can lose here on F95, we can try this versions until we are sure whether the project is worth our money/attention or not. As for me, I looking on this game at time to time, not to often, so I have no hype and therefore any expectations about it, if it fails I won't be sad, if succeed, well, it will be a good thing.
The problem is that this community has been just echo-chambering hatred for so long that nothing will satisfy them. I've only been following along with development for half a year or something, but it's been long enough to see that the devs are putting in genuine effort and trying to do better.
It just seems like most of the 'fans' in this thread enjoy arguing with the devs in bad faith and baiting them into making more and more annoyed responses to their endless complaints.
Which of course THEN when a dev ACTUALLY DOES say something rude to these unreasonable trolls after hundreds of level-headed responses, everybody goes 'oh wow dev, you sure are a dick, why are you getting so mad at your ~fans~'. As if the dev isn't just being constantly bear-baited every single day in this thread.
There's no winning for these devs, at least not in this thread, but I hope they keep going because the old game was (heavily) flawed but had an interesting premise and showed promise, and it sounds like they want to keep improving.
It just seems like most of the 'fans' in this thread enjoy arguing with the devs in bad faith and baiting them into making more and more annoyed responses to their endless complaints.
Which of course THEN when a dev ACTUALLY DOES say something rude to these unreasonable trolls after hundreds of level-headed responses, everybody goes 'oh wow dev, you sure are a dick, why are you getting so mad at your ~fans~'. As if the dev isn't just being constantly bear-baited every single day in this thread.
There's no winning for these devs, at least not in this thread, but I hope they keep going because the old game was (heavily) flawed but had an interesting premise and showed promise, and it sounds like they want to keep improving.
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I think we can all agree there is a lot of porn of Krystal.
I think we can all also agree that is not enough
For great millennia, man has sought art in all it's forms they know of. Literature, drawings, music, it's all here. I cannot complain about something that is an absolute good! But then you combine it to be interactive?! It's outrageous if you think about it, and we are surrounded by theses paradigms everywhere. So much so, that we forget how special games are, and take them for granted.
I don't know, I feel like...people here could be less condescending, but they choose to act like children. I guess adults are just kids, but with responsibilities.
I want to make an analogy with pizza and pineapple or anchovies; Games are like pizza, you can put everything on it. Even if you like pineapple on your pizza, other's will still complain about how gross it is. Well, it's your pizza, and I'm sure other's still like anchovies on theirs. Just remember; You can put Krystal on your pizza, just like everyone here has. The chefs are doing their best to cook for us and our orders, let's not be rude to the pizza slappers.
I think we can all also agree that is not enough
For great millennia, man has sought art in all it's forms they know of. Literature, drawings, music, it's all here. I cannot complain about something that is an absolute good! But then you combine it to be interactive?! It's outrageous if you think about it, and we are surrounded by theses paradigms everywhere. So much so, that we forget how special games are, and take them for granted.
I don't know, I feel like...people here could be less condescending, but they choose to act like children. I guess adults are just kids, but with responsibilities.
I want to make an analogy with pizza and pineapple or anchovies; Games are like pizza, you can put everything on it. Even if you like pineapple on your pizza, other's will still complain about how gross it is. Well, it's your pizza, and I'm sure other's still like anchovies on theirs. Just remember; You can put Krystal on your pizza, just like everyone here has. The chefs are doing their best to cook for us and our orders, let's not be rude to the pizza slappers.
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That is one of the main focuses for this game, we were aware of all the complaints we received about v0.8's boring walking simulator mechanics. The game needs to be fun.
We want less grinding, but we also want the sex to feel 'earned' and weighted.
We do, our only motivation really is to make a good game. That's why it is harder to stomach these kinds of daily attacks.
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Man, all the people want is a Krystal game. We don't want to play runescape.
I think people are failing to see your sarcasm.
Never played Runescape. But I would like too. If this can mash that up together, then is that a plus?
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My apologies, I never played Runescape, so I had no idea if LoK: R was going in a similar way another game was goingI think people are failing to see my sarcasm.
That's totally accurate. The LOK games theme is very old and big, even created a gamedev forum, but has never seen a big, solid and finished game. That's just sets up people's expectations.
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Not that my opinion matters, and people have said this before here, but I think it's a matter of expectations.
People liked the old LoK because it was a fun porn game. Not because it was a fun game with porn.
Now, you try to make an expanded version of the original game, of course people are going to be upset when the focus is not on porn anymore. It's like if Nintendo came up saying they'd be remaking Zelda OoT and expanding it, but then turns out the game's now focused on kart races, and the adventure/exploring is now just a side thing.
I'm absolutely ok with porn games being more than just porn games, but the primary focus should be the porn. When the "good stuff" has done good progress, then you can focus a little more on other things like minigames and combat. Guilty Gear XRD had a story mode that was literally an two-hour long anime, which was great, but 1% of the people I know actually care about the story mode more than the fighthing game, and the game primarily delivers just that: a fun fighting game.
If you guys want to make a good "regular" game, then I think dropping the porn part would actually do more favor than bad, because then people would have their expectations aligned with what the dev team wants to do. I used to pledge a couple of bucks on Patreon back then, because I really liked the old builds, and I've even kept pledging when the project started from scratch with the 3D thing, but after some months the more news we had about the project, the more I noticed that you guys were not trying to make a good porn game, you were trying to make a good game with porn (which, again, is totally ok), and since that's what I wasn't looking for with a LoK expansion, I dropped the pledges. Most people are probably thinking like this as well. The fact that this is a furry game doesn't help, since 99% of furries are horny as shit, so they will surely want priority on the poopoo on peepee than on a complex map design with tons of quests and equipment. Add the fact that people are 100x more angry online than they are irl, and you have threads like this one, and the thread for the old version.
I think the best course of action for people that are unhappy with the game's direction is to simply forget about it for a year or so, and then come back when the game is more fully fledged. Then you can have a better understanding of the situation and can have a better opinion on the project. Getting nervous over a project that has been rebooted twice in the last year and that has nothing tangible to base our opinions on, aside from dev logs, isn't going to help.
Sorry about the wall of text, btw.
People liked the old LoK because it was a fun porn game. Not because it was a fun game with porn.
Now, you try to make an expanded version of the original game, of course people are going to be upset when the focus is not on porn anymore. It's like if Nintendo came up saying they'd be remaking Zelda OoT and expanding it, but then turns out the game's now focused on kart races, and the adventure/exploring is now just a side thing.
I'm absolutely ok with porn games being more than just porn games, but the primary focus should be the porn. When the "good stuff" has done good progress, then you can focus a little more on other things like minigames and combat. Guilty Gear XRD had a story mode that was literally an two-hour long anime, which was great, but 1% of the people I know actually care about the story mode more than the fighthing game, and the game primarily delivers just that: a fun fighting game.
If you guys want to make a good "regular" game, then I think dropping the porn part would actually do more favor than bad, because then people would have their expectations aligned with what the dev team wants to do. I used to pledge a couple of bucks on Patreon back then, because I really liked the old builds, and I've even kept pledging when the project started from scratch with the 3D thing, but after some months the more news we had about the project, the more I noticed that you guys were not trying to make a good porn game, you were trying to make a good game with porn (which, again, is totally ok), and since that's what I wasn't looking for with a LoK expansion, I dropped the pledges. Most people are probably thinking like this as well. The fact that this is a furry game doesn't help, since 99% of furries are horny as shit, so they will surely want priority on the poopoo on peepee than on a complex map design with tons of quests and equipment. Add the fact that people are 100x more angry online than they are irl, and you have threads like this one, and the thread for the old version.
I think the best course of action for people that are unhappy with the game's direction is to simply forget about it for a year or so, and then come back when the game is more fully fledged. Then you can have a better understanding of the situation and can have a better opinion on the project. Getting nervous over a project that has been rebooted twice in the last year and that has nothing tangible to base our opinions on, aside from dev logs, isn't going to help.
Sorry about the wall of text, btw.
Hmmm it seems like there's a bit of confusion here.
We're not giving less space to the nsfw content, we're preparing the ground to move on to the spicy content.
It goes like this: to make the porn scenes we need to have the models, so we're making the models first.
The models happen to also need the basic animations so that they can be found around the world, so you can fuck them, so that needs to be done, you know. So we're doing them. There were protests in the threads because we privileged the sex over the basic movement for the first tech demo, and now that we're fixing that you still protest? lol. There really is no way to make everybody happy. Anyway they're being done, they had to be done, and they'll be over soon.
To recap we're following this pipeline: drawings -> rig -> meshes -> basic animations -> kinky sex.
Let's not forget the code side of it: project basic logic -> dialogue system -> ui -> actual dialogues -> logic to have the dialogues work -> importing the sex scenes -> sex scenes in game. orrrr something of the sort, I'm not a code mage, just a humble animator.
Basically, what I mean is: We're working to make that happen, even if you don't recognize those efforts as part fo that goal, that's what they are.
Now, do you remember when we said we'd have to clone Kuja to have art sooner? that's what it is, we can't have art faster than that unfortuntely. And the rest of us are making things necessary to the game while that task is being done.
So if the coding of the dialogue finishes, do our code guys just idle there doing nothing? no, we wanted to have minigames, so they coded minigames in. Old build had that too, with tanning, pots (lol if you consider that fun) and so on.
Does it take away from the goal of creating NSFW content? Of course not! It was idle time anyway!
The art is still going on nonstop, and the rest of us are working in parallel around it to integrate all these pieces.
You can't build a rooftop without building the house first, and so we're building the house. Some of us are placing the furniture, some of us are placing the bricks, Some of us are making the plumbing. They all make the house!
I understand you may have felt it was weird that for the last weeks no NSFW content was a highlight. It's still our priority, but I hope this explanation can help you see the bigger picture. I'm placing all the boner bones in place, worry not. Dicks work, boobs are bouncy, their time to shine will come. Heck, even fish lore puts the ground for tentacular porn XD
Anyway, I am confident this is the most logical and efficient route to follow to get the best results.
Think about it: We reduced the number of characters we're working on to deliver a new demo faster. We're reducing the initial location to deliver a demo faster. We're cutting the first part of the story to get to a complete little demo faster. We're literally doing that just have faith, please! We're literally working towards that.
You'll see this kind of highlights for I think 2-3 more weeks then the tune will change. You can't have a game without backgrounds, the characters, the controls, the dialogue system in any case. so this literally just had to be done.
TL;DR: we are working towards sex, but there's like a whole team working on the game, so if a task is done people are still adding stuff, you should either be happy about it or just ignore it, in any case it's not taking anything away from you. This is the shortest route to the goal, trust me.
We're not giving less space to the nsfw content, we're preparing the ground to move on to the spicy content.
It goes like this: to make the porn scenes we need to have the models, so we're making the models first.
The models happen to also need the basic animations so that they can be found around the world, so you can fuck them, so that needs to be done, you know. So we're doing them. There were protests in the threads because we privileged the sex over the basic movement for the first tech demo, and now that we're fixing that you still protest? lol. There really is no way to make everybody happy. Anyway they're being done, they had to be done, and they'll be over soon.
To recap we're following this pipeline: drawings -> rig -> meshes -> basic animations -> kinky sex.
Let's not forget the code side of it: project basic logic -> dialogue system -> ui -> actual dialogues -> logic to have the dialogues work -> importing the sex scenes -> sex scenes in game. orrrr something of the sort, I'm not a code mage, just a humble animator.
Basically, what I mean is: We're working to make that happen, even if you don't recognize those efforts as part fo that goal, that's what they are.
Now, do you remember when we said we'd have to clone Kuja to have art sooner? that's what it is, we can't have art faster than that unfortuntely. And the rest of us are making things necessary to the game while that task is being done.
So if the coding of the dialogue finishes, do our code guys just idle there doing nothing? no, we wanted to have minigames, so they coded minigames in. Old build had that too, with tanning, pots (lol if you consider that fun) and so on.
Does it take away from the goal of creating NSFW content? Of course not!
It was idle time anyway!The art is still going on nonstop, and the rest of us are working in parallel around it to integrate all these pieces.
You can't build a rooftop without building the house first, and so we're building the house. Some of us are placing the furniture, some of us are placing the bricks, Some of us are making the plumbing. They all make the house!
I understand you may have felt it was weird that for the last weeks no NSFW content was a highlight. It's still our priority, but I hope this explanation can help you see the bigger picture. I'm placing all the boner bones in place, worry not. Dicks work, boobs are bouncy, their time to shine will come. Heck, even fish lore puts the ground for tentacular porn XD
Anyway, I am confident this is the most logical and efficient route to follow to get the best results.
Think about it: We reduced the number of characters we're working on to deliver a new demo faster. We're reducing the initial location to deliver a demo faster. We're cutting the first part of the story to get to a complete little demo faster. We're literally doing that
just have faith, please! We're literally working towards that.You'll see this kind of highlights for I think 2-3 more weeks then the tune will change. You can't have a game without backgrounds, the characters, the controls, the dialogue system in any case. so this literally just had to be done.
TL;DR: we are working towards sex, but there's like a whole team working on the game, so if a task is done people are still adding stuff, you should either be happy about it or just ignore it, in any case it's not taking anything away from you. This is the shortest route to the goal, trust me.
Also the highlights I write are arbitrarily written by me for those of you who do't bother to click the links I post, so if you don't think they're highligh worthy, well too bad lol, I am a person who gets excited about cooking so I can't help to view it as a big thing XD
You're more than welcome to read the update posts for yourself! I think we explained ourselves several times in there
Have some merry holidays! I hope you and your beloved ones are safe in these tiring times!
You're more than welcome to read the update posts for yourself! I think we explained ourselves several times in there
Have some merry holidays!
I hope you and your beloved ones are safe in these tiring times!
/: IF object DoorFive = state confusion (Then [Boolian = True] Set Facial State to [What]);
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I'm reading this comments and I get a strange feeling. It's only me have "weird" desire to play cool entertaining game with adult content mostly as pleasant bonus, cherry on the top, or people never wanted such thing? Or it is just the specific of this thread? I expand my thought, when I was playing some good games with good looking female characters, sometimes I wanted that this game had some adult content in it, after that I started searching adult mods on this game to satisfy this desire, of course that didn't solve the problem. The game industry is sinking heavily in this genre segment and therefore we are very limited in the choice, so we have to choose from what is available. Maybe that is the reason why I like japanese games, they are unlike most Western devs really trying to make games, which is interesting to play. I can name the really good examples of this games that first came to my mind: "Rance series", "Kamidori alchemey meister", "Dungeon of Lulu Farera". The only problems with japanese games is their stupid censorship and cultural and language barrier. And yes, these devs are also usually amateurs and their games suck at gamedisgn, but if you look carefully you can find gems among them.
Havent visited the thread in a while, but as an old but not current patreon I must say I am still a bit confused as to the direction of the game/ what the end product is going to be like. Pikant's response I felt was helpful as to what they are doing, but I still just have literally no idea what the end result is going to be. Forgive me if this is in a previous post or on the site, but I think some effort should go into that more. I'm not saying make promises you may not be able to fulfill, but just talk about what the story might be, what things there will be to do, give a small bit of lore so we can make a bit more informed decisions. Might not help the overall crowd, but I feel it would help me a ton. Again, going to catch up, sorry if this was previously delivered.
Let's be clear. Despite the complaint of grinding the previous game, there is one thing that made it stand out from the rest of the games of this type: The main character is corrupted to sex, not forced to sex.
If there was one interesting thing about redoing a routine, it was that each time the character was giving in more and more and, above all, each character had his own fetishes when it came to corrupting Krystal.
If you give away in a game from the beginning the candy of sex, the game loses its interest, and that's why the narrative and dialogues of the previous game were among the strong points that encouraged to keep playing.
If there was one interesting thing about redoing a routine, it was that each time the character was giving in more and more and, above all, each character had his own fetishes when it came to corrupting Krystal.
If you give away in a game from the beginning the candy of sex, the game loses its interest, and that's why the narrative and dialogues of the previous game were among the strong points that encouraged to keep playing.
I would agree with that. i didn't particularly enjoy some of the grinding like having to go pick up sticks or anything, however I did really enjoy seeing Krystal slowly come to enjoy her place in this society.
Note: not that she was forced to sex and hated it, but that she reluctantly agreed at first to get something she wanted, started to realize that she liked it, and then wanted to explore all the options available to her.
I'd love to see that sort of idea expanded on. Non-con isn't my thing but having more sexual acts open up and seeing krystal really enjoying them was quite exciting for me.
You could easily imagine it getting more and more deviant if the game had been run to completion, the huntress character talked about lewd flora and fauna that existed out in the wild. I could imagine krystal going out in the jungle explicitly to find something exciting to lewd her when she had completely given herself over to this new lifestyle.
Note: not that she was forced to sex and hated it, but that she reluctantly agreed at first to get something she wanted, started to realize that she liked it, and then wanted to explore all the options available to her.
I'd love to see that sort of idea expanded on. Non-con isn't my thing but having more sexual acts open up and seeing krystal really enjoying them was quite exciting for me.
You could easily imagine it getting more and more deviant if the game had been run to completion, the huntress character talked about lewd flora and fauna that existed out in the wild. I could imagine krystal going out in the jungle explicitly to find something exciting to lewd her when she had completely given herself over to this new lifestyle.