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I can certainly understand that. We've been struggling with introducing male characters in non-sexual situations into the the game concept. My partner is doing most of the story work and every instance there is a guy they are just complete ass hats (their world view of men i guess). It is tough to add a heterosexual males into a story surrounded by hot women and imagine them not trying to get some.
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Yeah. As I said, ambivalent running toward very uncomfortable with that myself. But I believe you and I are in the large minority.
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Um, sorry for being obvious, but from point of narrative it is the most logical thing for main character to wish for. And of course if you immerse yourself in this narrative, no one forces you to do this (be a nice wing man for a girls and let EvelynxCallie be a canon). By the way last update already made possible to change one's mindset open to the idea of incest, so possibility to widen gender preferences looks at least less intrusive and shocking (and by looking at threesome scene no one makes Callie straight, looks like she will be full bi), and considering whole magic/hypnosis and other mind correcting stuff in game it is pretty naive to think that such plot will make exceptions for a opposite gender character to be unreachable.
PS. Sorry if offended in some way, just pointing out that it is a story, so it's meant to be interesting for all players (it means having a possibility and a choice to use or not use this possibility).
- Aug 22, 2018
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For a dick, sure.
Rather than help her find someone and be happy with who she is he'd rather use magic to change her to suit his needs.
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Um, seriously... basically my next sentence is about another options still available in game (for her happiness), but looks like you stopped reading on first one. And btw a human with a dick called male (or man, although it means a lot more than having a dick) and opposite gender is female (or woman).
- Aug 11, 2018
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You can actually play LLtP without having sex. The modifications you make to each person's personality are completely optional. Except with Samara who basically rapes you.
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While the real world idea (and arrogance) to believe you can "convert" someone is ludicrous. In many cases it drives the story forward. Think of all the action movies where in a gun fight no one ever runs out of ammo or reloads.
John Wick aside. Mostly because Keanu Reeves trained in IDPA and 3 Gun.
One of my ex-girlfriends once told me the idea that you (the guy) picked up the girl was erroneous. She decided to give you or not give you the opportunity way before you even thought of it. So the idea you will change something as fundamental as a person's true sexuality is asinine. But this is a VN and it is a plot device.
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Its a hetero focused game with a male protagonists of rather ambigious morality,what exactly did you expect?
Narratively its absolutely in line with the MC´s behaviour and ethical code(or lack thereof).
Also,depending on how heavily Belle decides to lean into the medieval setting for world building,"converting" Callie might actually save her ass from the clergy(and trying to corrupt a nun certainly wouldnt have helped keeping her alternative lifestyle out of the sight of a institution that was well known for...making anything that stepped out of line vanish).
- Jun 16, 2018
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I have faith that Belle will handle Callie in a way that is respectful of the character and still advance the story as needed.
If it was me? I give the MC a spell to switch genders, so he can become female and then sleep with Callie. That way we also get more Lesbian content. Everyone wins.
If it was me? I give the MC a spell to switch genders, so he can become female and then sleep with Callie. That way we also get more Lesbian content. Everyone wins.
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I think people forget that this is a game where you molest girls while theyre asleep and mind control them to have sex with you. A bit too late to start being respectful lol.
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I actually agree with your argument and commend your courage to make it, even anonymously on the internet, knowing the opposition you'll face. I think lesbian conversion hits especially close to home because it is something, as you've experienced, that way too many people believe is real, and that represents a real threat to individual rights and identity.
But as long as we're looking from this hideous dump called reality, let's not overlook that this game allows you to violate the minds of people in ways that could be worse than death. You steal peoples' most private secrets with entitlement. You make people who trust you catatonic and suggestive to molest them. You slowly manipulate people into having sex with you. You change your sister's moral foundation (and damn if it wasn't a beautiful scene). And that's not even at full power.
None of these things would be at all acceptable outside of fantasy, but we're all playing this game because it lets us be the hero of our ugly and dark power fantasies. I know that doesn't make such a personal topic less fucked up, but I hope you recognize that we're all a little fucked up to play past the prologue.
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The difference for me there is during those mind invasions you only open up what is already there.
His sister already wanted him but incest is frowned on and that scared her. Sure slowly manipulating people to fuck him is a shitty thing to do but chances are he could have got in their knickers either way.
Samara bounces on his balls before he starts mind fucking her. I think Primrose already had a crush but was too shy so got the push she needed.
The problem here is Callie is still a lesbian no matter how deep in her mind he hooks, that can't change who she is. He claimed to be a friend yet is wanting to go out of his way to change who she is just to suit him. Now imagine if she found out that's what he wanted to do, that's how man hating lesbians are born.
I'm not a man hating lesbian, I like men just not sexually but the idea that they can "convert" or "fix" us, cured by cock if you will, is just something that's a bit too close to home and really frustrating. It's not all men that's why i'm not a man hating one and some of them say it as a joke when it's been brought up but there are those that do think it.
Most of the game is great, i'm not gonna slam it, it's just particular thing that grates on me.
I've said this before, but it's worth repeating to get my perspective on the issue: There is no situation in this game in which you will be able to "cure a lesbian by cock." I find that concept insulting myself. Callie is not sexually attracted to the MC, and no matter how much manipulation and begging he does, this won't change. She might be willing to let him have some fun because she cares about him, but she won't become attracted to him or let him actually have sex with her.
The only way to get around this will be by using magic to change her sexuality. He's not going to "cure" her, and he's not going to remove her existing preferences. In other words, you won't make her straight, but you will at some point be able to make her bi through specially designed magic. Importantly for this discussion, it's entirely optional, at least when it comes to Callie.
Unless porn is meant to be completely vanilla (which is fine but quickly grows dull, in my opinion), there's always going to be something taboo about it. It might be infidelity, incest, public sex, anal (which is hardly taboo anymore, but I digress), or any number of other things that break some societal norm or another. I recognize this and have built a game that plays with taboos and the breaking of some of them. This will always cause offense to someone, but I try to do things as respectfully as the genre allows me to. Among other things, that means that I take Callie seriously as a character with her own challenges, desires, insecurities, and limits.
I have deep respect for the LBQT community and their challenges, and the last thing I want to do is to offend anyone. But when taboos are involved, this becomes impossible to avoid entirely. At least I hope that the optional nature of most of these taboos means that those who dislike them won't feel like they're being forced into them. Take the sleep molestation, for example. You should be able to get through the game, and get the best ending, without engaging in that content after the brief tutorial during day 1. The same will be true with Callie.
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Just out of pure curiosity, can you quote some posts in this thread that imply that you can cure gay woman with a dick? I only saw typical horny stuff about wanting to fuck Callie and want to know if I missed something.
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