Ren'Py Completed Long Live the Princess [v1.0.1] [Belle]

[bews]

This game is really stupid. I did all quests, maxed all stats (except for charisma since u can't max it if Primrose gets to jail even for 1 day), revealed all secrets. But still got the worst bad end ever: everyone's ded. I see dev wants to make u play the game again at all cost, but nope, 1 time is enough of this shit.

 

[Belle]

We'll get to see for ourselves with Supermodel whether or not people will clamor for walkthroughs and cheats, I suppose. That game is closer to a traditional VN in its structure than LLtP is and shouldn't require a walkthrough at all.

But we all know how these things actually work.

 

[Nishka]

You don't need to do everything (there is probably not enough time to romance all the girls in a first playthrough, for example), but you have to make sure you finish all the quests.

It is possible in the first playthrough to get max stats, romance all girls, do all quests and get the good ending. Only thing I missed during my first was

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[Nishka]

This game is really stupid. I did all quests, maxed all stats (except for charisma since u can't max it if Primrose gets to jail even for 1 day), revealed all secrets. But still got the worst bad end ever: everyone's ded. I see dev wants to make u play the game again at all cost, but nope, 1 time is enough of this shit.

Just keep Primrose out of jail??

I made this guide for how to get points with her and how to solve the investigation.
https://f95zone.to/threads/long-live-the-princess-v1-0-0-belle.5259/post-9440518

 

[xapican]

(except for charisma since u can't max it if Primrose gets to jail even for 1 day)

One of the key quest of the game is that you avoid that Primerose goes to jail, as well that Evelynn don't run away, or is abused by Thadeus

 

[Nishka]

One of the key quest of the game is that you avoid that Primerose goes to jail, as well that Evelynn don't run away, or is abused by Thadeus

I think "abused" is the wrong word to use here, as far as I recall, he didn't force her, it was consensual, even though she was kinda overwhelmed by how persuasive he really was.

 

[xapican]

I think "abused" is the wrong word to use here, as far as I recall, he didn't force her, it was consensual, even though she was kinda overwhelmed by how persuasive he really was.

Yeah maybe, I m not native english speaker, and was out of words, and since Thadeus used his positon to get some sexy times, abuse of social Status, I described it like this, you're right ist is maybe a bit to hard, and it is consensual to some point (she really don't like Thadeus and she does it to get some bonus like money and favors), Belle did an outstanding work in describing Evelynns inner conflict here.

 

[glaurung]

This game is really stupid. I did all quests, maxed all stats (except for charisma since u can't max it if Primrose gets to jail even for 1 day), revealed all secrets. But still got the worst bad end ever: everyone's ded. I see dev wants to make u play the game again at all cost, but nope, 1 time is enough of this shit.

Even if you do all quests, you can still get a bad ending by making wrong choices during the endgame. I won't bother telling you that there is a guide and a checklist to help avoid getting a bad ending, mentioned by me just a few posts upthread from here, since you aren't interested in trying again.

 

[Tromilka]

It is possible in the first playthrough to get max stats, romance all girls, do all quests and get the good ending. Only thing I missed during my first was

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I won't doubt you, but I think it takes a great deal of luck to do so, since without knowing which actions are essential, which stats are needed at each stage of the game, how much you should be working to grind cash and affection, and where some of the "hidden" progress triggers are, the optimal strategy cannot be deduced and players are likely to lose too much time.

The game design itself seems made with the assumption that players will not win on the first time around, what with the whole timeloop device, and since some key elements of the story (like Selena's scheme that brings about the end of the human and fey races) are only communicated in the epilogue after a failure.

 

[glaurung]

I won't doubt you, but I think it takes a great deal of luck to do so, since without knowing which actions are essential, which stats are needed at each stage of the game, how much you should be working to grind cash and affection, and where some of the "hidden" progress triggers are, the optimal strategy cannot be deduced and players are likely to lose too much time.

The game design itself seems made with the assumption that players will not win on the first time around, what with the whole timeloop device, and since some key elements of the story (like Selena's scheme that brings about the end of the human and fey races) are only communicated in the epilogue after a failure.

This is definitely not a game about grinding. You need 45 coins to max out your magical training and anohter 30 to train your agility the first 3 times. There's another 30-ish coins worth of optional outfits for Belle and an optional sex scene you have to pay for, and that's it. Add another optional 10 if you're playing it in "new game plus" mode. Somewhere around day 30 if not before, you never have to think about money again.

You need to spend time with people for them to like you, but it's hardly grinding - you need to read a ton of books anyway, so doing it with Primrose is NBD. Callie needs you to work for her and see all of her outfits, but you need the money anyway, and seeing each possible outfit is only 4 sessions. Nell only needs you to spend 3 afternoons with her if you don't optimize your choices, less if you do.

Evelyn is the hardest to figure out what needs to happen, but by the time you have spent enough time with her to learn the first clue to her dark secret, she will like you well enough that seducing her after clearing up that secret and its linked inhibition is a snap, assuming you shoo away Thaddeus. If you don't end the thaddeus complication, it is more of a grind.

None of the other beddable characters need you to spend time with them at all.

 

[Tromilka]

glaurung, I'm not saying that this is a particularly grindy game, but consider:

First, you don't know all this before you've played the game. In-game there are all sorts of things keeping you from progressing with the girls and with the quests, and (especially since girls' stats are hidden) it's not always obvious whether you're stuck because you need to grind affection/repeat events, level your stats, hit some particular event trigger (at a particular day/time/place), wait around for a timed event (like the Primrose prosecution), or focus on some other part of the game to unlock a clue or spell. So it's very easy to waste actions and grind fruitlessly/inefficiently. Take Primrose, for example: you can read books by yourself while working (grinding coin, and some affection?) or in the reading room with her (grinding affection). On a first playthrough it's not obvious which is the better strategy.

Second, OK, so altogether you need about 100 coin (isn't it sometimes 15 for agility training, BTW?). And on the first playthrough you earn, IIRC, 3-5 per morning in the library or Callie's store. That would be 20-30 mornings just to earn cash. Sure, you can earn more by going boar hunting once you have leveled up pathfinding, but that's gated behind meeting the dryad, leveling up your magic, and staying chaste for three days, twice. A player who goes straight for that will probably have no cash problems. One who focuses on other quests may find themselves having to work for many days to be able to afford to advance their magic training or level up agility.

Which I think goes back to my main point: it's not really the grind that is the challenge. It's more knowing the order in which you should do things, and not getting caught in situations where you can't use the time efficiently (e.g. where all useful action are only in the afternoon). Which on a first playthrough is a lot down to luck.

PS: I don't really agree that Evelyn is the most difficult, since her progression is fairly straight-forward and self-contained (like Primrose's). I'd argue that Callie's is by far the most non-intuitive, since it's gated behind first the Knock spell (library, time delay) and Skeleton Key (Nell/stables), then Morph Sexuality (Primrose secret, Leanan Sidhe)—parts of the game with no obvious connection to her.

 

[Nishka]

I won't doubt you, but I think it takes a great deal of luck to do so, since without knowing which actions are essential, which stats are needed at each stage of the game, how much you should be working to grind cash and affection, and where some of the "hidden" progress triggers are, the optimal strategy cannot be deduced and players are likely to lose too much time.

The game design itself seems made with the assumption that players will not win on the first time around, what with the whole timeloop device, and since some key elements of the story (like Selena's scheme that brings about the end of the human and fey races) are only communicated in the epilogue after a failure.

Hmm, I don't know if it's luck, but I actually think Belle made it possible to get all in first PT, well except Agnes of course, but you have to be quite meticulous to choose what to do when, f.ex. if an action is possible to do during night, do it then, there are quite a few of those, I think there is like 8 or 9 actions, you can do like that and save your mornings/afternoons for other things. But I understand what you mean about the no stats screen, but even if you did have that, you wouldn't know what the requirements are.

 

[Nishka]

Yeah maybe, I m not native english speaker, and was out of words, and since Thadeus used his positon to get some sexy times, abuse of social Status, I described it like this, you're right ist is maybe a bit to hard, and it is consensual to some point (she really don't like Thadeus and she does it to get some bonus like money and favors), Belle did an outstanding work in describing Evelynns inner conflict here.

Well as far as I understood it, she just kinda lost in her own "game", she has been using her "female persuasion skills" for a long time against "weaker" males for favors, but she was in control during those times, because they couldn't handle her, but he is just better and turns it around on her. So yeah she is against it, but most likely she is the instigator.

 

[bews]

Just keep Primrose out of jail??

I made this guide for how to get points with her and how to solve the investigation.
https://f95zone.to/threads/long-live-the-princess-v1-0-0-belle.5259/post-9440518

I couldn't get all this in time, since u need 15 coins for training, but hunting gives u only 7, so 2 days is only 14. Also u can't work in the shop bc she is busy those days, so the only way is hunts, meaning u can't use afternoon for anything else.

As for endgame choices I did everything right, except I didn't seduce the crone princes. U really need to fuck her to avoid everyone dying? This is stupid.

 

[Bloodguard]

I couldn't get all this in time, since u need 15 coins for training, but hunting gives u only 7, so 2 days is only 14. Also u can't work in the shop bc she is busy those days, so the only way is hunts, meaning u can't use afternoon for anything else.

If you save your hunting until your pathfinding is maxed it gives 20 coins. It's a bit of a wait, and you need to work with Prim and Callie a few times, but it solves any money problems.

 

[glaurung]

I couldn't get all this in time, since u need 15 coins for training, but hunting gives u only 7, so 2 days is only 14. Also u can't work in the shop bc she is busy those days, so the only way is hunts, meaning u can't use afternoon for anything else.

Don't bother hunting until you've trained with Erato, you're wasting your time compared to working in Callie's shop (5 coins for half a day).
You get 5 coin the first time you talk to Aldred and 5 every friday from Evelyn: that's 10 by the end of the first week.
In week 1, work in the library 3x to find all the books and clues, and by the end of the week you'll have enough for the crone's intermediate training.
In weeks 2 + 3, work for Callie in the mornings until you have enough to train agility > train > repeat.
Once you've visited the fairy queen and gotten your first agility training session, avoid sex until you can max out your pathfinding. Only when you've maxed out pathfinding should you switch to hunting for raising money.

 

[glaurung]

As for endgame choices I did everything right, except I didn't seduce the crone princes. U really need to fuck her to avoid everyone dying? This is stupid.

It's a lewd game, and you are complaining that in order to win, you have to have sex with someone during the endgame? You did notice the part about it being a porn game, didn't you?

 

[Tromilka]

Is it possible to have an Evelyn/Callie threesome ending where they're both impregnated and happy about it? I couldn't find any way to get Callie to accept it in the threesome path. (I avoided the picnic invitation because I take it that locks me into a solo relationship with Callie.)

Also, if you impregnate Callie when she's not ready, the ending will say that both Evelyn and Callie were knocked up against their will, even though Evelyn was very willing.

 

[Kayzee12]

OK WTF... 3 playthroughs, 3 times bad ending. Is the last point of Charisma that important for a good ending ?? If so, I can't , for the love of god, figure out which girl is not giving me the charisma point.
I break Selena's curse, and the demon then just kills me... Evelyn is hanged.

This game is now turning into a personal challenge for me.

 

[cxx]

OK WTF... 3 playthroughs, 3 times bad ending. Is the last point of Charisma that important for a good ending ?? If so, I can't , for the love of god, figure out which girl is not giving me the charisma point.
I break Selena's curse, and the demon then just kills me... Evelyn is hanged.

This game is now turning into a personal challenge for me.

check any walkthrough to see who gives charisma. you might be missing 1 coming from fucking a nun.

also you need to do lots of things like making nell as new fq etc.