Ren'Py Completed Long Live the Princess [v1.0.1] [Belle]

[Tromilka]

It is possible in the first playthrough to get max stats, romance all girls, do all quests and get the good ending. Only thing I missed during my first was

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I won't doubt you, but I think it takes a great deal of luck to do so, since without knowing which actions are essential, which stats are needed at each stage of the game, how much you should be working to grind cash and affection, and where some of the "hidden" progress triggers are, the optimal strategy cannot be deduced and players are likely to lose too much time.

The game design itself seems made with the assumption that players will not win on the first time around, what with the whole timeloop device, and since some key elements of the story (like Selena's scheme that brings about the end of the human and fey races) are only communicated in the epilogue after a failure.

 

[glaurung]

I won't doubt you, but I think it takes a great deal of luck to do so, since without knowing which actions are essential, which stats are needed at each stage of the game, how much you should be working to grind cash and affection, and where some of the "hidden" progress triggers are, the optimal strategy cannot be deduced and players are likely to lose too much time.

The game design itself seems made with the assumption that players will not win on the first time around, what with the whole timeloop device, and since some key elements of the story (like Selena's scheme that brings about the end of the human and fey races) are only communicated in the epilogue after a failure.

This is definitely not a game about grinding. You need 45 coins to max out your magical training and anohter 30 to train your agility the first 3 times. There's another 30-ish coins worth of optional outfits for Belle and an optional sex scene you have to pay for, and that's it. Add another optional 10 if you're playing it in "new game plus" mode. Somewhere around day 30 if not before, you never have to think about money again.

You need to spend time with people for them to like you, but it's hardly grinding - you need to read a ton of books anyway, so doing it with Primrose is NBD. Callie needs you to work for her and see all of her outfits, but you need the money anyway, and seeing each possible outfit is only 4 sessions. Nell only needs you to spend 3 afternoons with her if you don't optimize your choices, less if you do.

Evelyn is the hardest to figure out what needs to happen, but by the time you have spent enough time with her to learn the first clue to her dark secret, she will like you well enough that seducing her after clearing up that secret and its linked inhibition is a snap, assuming you shoo away Thaddeus. If you don't end the thaddeus complication, it is more of a grind.

None of the other beddable characters need you to spend time with them at all.

 

[Tromilka]

glaurung, I'm not saying that this is a particularly grindy game, but consider:

First, you don't know all this before you've played the game. In-game there are all sorts of things keeping you from progressing with the girls and with the quests, and (especially since girls' stats are hidden) it's not always obvious whether you're stuck because you need to grind affection/repeat events, level your stats, hit some particular event trigger (at a particular day/time/place), wait around for a timed event (like the Primrose prosecution), or focus on some other part of the game to unlock a clue or spell. So it's very easy to waste actions and grind fruitlessly/inefficiently. Take Primrose, for example: you can read books by yourself while working (grinding coin, and some affection?) or in the reading room with her (grinding affection). On a first playthrough it's not obvious which is the better strategy.

Second, OK, so altogether you need about 100 coin (isn't it sometimes 15 for agility training, BTW?). And on the first playthrough you earn, IIRC, 3-5 per morning in the library or Callie's store. That would be 20-30 mornings just to earn cash. Sure, you can earn more by going boar hunting once you have leveled up pathfinding, but that's gated behind meeting the dryad, leveling up your magic, and staying chaste for three days, twice. A player who goes straight for that will probably have no cash problems. One who focuses on other quests may find themselves having to work for many days to be able to afford to advance their magic training or level up agility.

Which I think goes back to my main point: it's not really the grind that is the challenge. It's more knowing the order in which you should do things, and not getting caught in situations where you can't use the time efficiently (e.g. where all useful action are only in the afternoon). Which on a first playthrough is a lot down to luck.

PS: I don't really agree that Evelyn is the most difficult, since her progression is fairly straight-forward and self-contained (like Primrose's). I'd argue that Callie's is by far the most non-intuitive, since it's gated behind first the Knock spell (library, time delay) and Skeleton Key (Nell/stables), then Morph Sexuality (Primrose secret, Leanan Sidhe)—parts of the game with no obvious connection to her.

 

[Nishka]

I won't doubt you, but I think it takes a great deal of luck to do so, since without knowing which actions are essential, which stats are needed at each stage of the game, how much you should be working to grind cash and affection, and where some of the "hidden" progress triggers are, the optimal strategy cannot be deduced and players are likely to lose too much time.

The game design itself seems made with the assumption that players will not win on the first time around, what with the whole timeloop device, and since some key elements of the story (like Selena's scheme that brings about the end of the human and fey races) are only communicated in the epilogue after a failure.

Hmm, I don't know if it's luck, but I actually think Belle made it possible to get all in first PT, well except Agnes of course, but you have to be quite meticulous to choose what to do when, f.ex. if an action is possible to do during night, do it then, there are quite a few of those, I think there is like 8 or 9 actions, you can do like that and save your mornings/afternoons for other things. But I understand what you mean about the no stats screen, but even if you did have that, you wouldn't know what the requirements are.

 

[Nishka]

Yeah maybe, I m not native english speaker, and was out of words, and since Thadeus used his positon to get some sexy times, abuse of social Status, I described it like this, you're right ist is maybe a bit to hard, and it is consensual to some point (she really don't like Thadeus and she does it to get some bonus like money and favors), Belle did an outstanding work in describing Evelynns inner conflict here.

Well as far as I understood it, she just kinda lost in her own "game", she has been using her "female persuasion skills" for a long time against "weaker" males for favors, but she was in control during those times, because they couldn't handle her, but he is just better and turns it around on her. So yeah she is against it, but most likely she is the instigator.

 

[bews]

Just keep Primrose out of jail??

I made this guide for how to get points with her and how to solve the investigation.
https://f95zone.to/threads/long-live-the-princess-v1-0-0-belle.5259/post-9440518

I couldn't get all this in time, since u need 15 coins for training, but hunting gives u only 7, so 2 days is only 14. Also u can't work in the shop bc she is busy those days, so the only way is hunts, meaning u can't use afternoon for anything else.

As for endgame choices I did everything right, except I didn't seduce the crone princes. U really need to fuck her to avoid everyone dying? This is stupid.

 

[Bloodguard]

I couldn't get all this in time, since u need 15 coins for training, but hunting gives u only 7, so 2 days is only 14. Also u can't work in the shop bc she is busy those days, so the only way is hunts, meaning u can't use afternoon for anything else.

If you save your hunting until your pathfinding is maxed it gives 20 coins. It's a bit of a wait, and you need to work with Prim and Callie a few times, but it solves any money problems.

 

[glaurung]

I couldn't get all this in time, since u need 15 coins for training, but hunting gives u only 7, so 2 days is only 14. Also u can't work in the shop bc she is busy those days, so the only way is hunts, meaning u can't use afternoon for anything else.

Don't bother hunting until you've trained with Erato, you're wasting your time compared to working in Callie's shop (5 coins for half a day).
You get 5 coin the first time you talk to Aldred and 5 every friday from Evelyn: that's 10 by the end of the first week.
In week 1, work in the library 3x to find all the books and clues, and by the end of the week you'll have enough for the crone's intermediate training.
In weeks 2 + 3, work for Callie in the mornings until you have enough to train agility > train > repeat.
Once you've visited the fairy queen and gotten your first agility training session, avoid sex until you can max out your pathfinding. Only when you've maxed out pathfinding should you switch to hunting for raising money.

 

[glaurung]

As for endgame choices I did everything right, except I didn't seduce the crone princes. U really need to fuck her to avoid everyone dying? This is stupid.

It's a lewd game, and you are complaining that in order to win, you have to have sex with someone during the endgame? You did notice the part about it being a porn game, didn't you?

 

[Tromilka]

Is it possible to have an Evelyn/Callie threesome ending where they're both impregnated and happy about it? I couldn't find any way to get Callie to accept it in the threesome path. (I avoided the picnic invitation because I take it that locks me into a solo relationship with Callie.)

Also, if you impregnate Callie when she's not ready, the ending will say that both Evelyn and Callie were knocked up against their will, even though Evelyn was very willing.

 

[Kayzee12]

OK WTF... 3 playthroughs, 3 times bad ending. Is the last point of Charisma that important for a good ending ?? If so, I can't , for the love of god, figure out which girl is not giving me the charisma point.
I break Selena's curse, and the demon then just kills me... Evelyn is hanged.

This game is now turning into a personal challenge for me.

 

[cxx]

OK WTF... 3 playthroughs, 3 times bad ending. Is the last point of Charisma that important for a good ending ?? If so, I can't , for the love of god, figure out which girl is not giving me the charisma point.
I break Selena's curse, and the demon then just kills me... Evelyn is hanged.

This game is now turning into a personal challenge for me.

check any walkthrough to see who gives charisma. you might be missing 1 coming from fucking a nun.

also you need to do lots of things like making nell as new fq etc.

 

[bews]

I break Selena's curse, and the demon then just kills me... Evelyn is hanged.

Yeah, that's the same for me. Looks like u have to brainwash and fuck literally every girl to avoid this. Basically go for harem or die.
Btw u get charisma when u brainwash them too (remove inhibitions). For example u need to make Evelyn to love incest to get 1 point. This clown game...

Only when you've maxed out pathfinding should you switch to hunting for raising money.

Why would I do hunting when I max pathfinding? I finished the game with like 80+ extra coins that I don't even need. The main problem is the beginning of the game where u have to find clues, lvlup relationships AND somehow get money for the lessons. And nope, u can't work for Callie bc she is busy. Ur options are library or hunting only. And the dev specifically made that hunts will give u only 7 coins, so u can't get 15 in 2 days, making u to miss the deadline by 1 day.

 

[cxx]

can always pimp evelyn.

*RUNS*

 

[xapican]

can always pimp evelyn.

*RUNS*

 

[glaurung]

Why would I do hunting when I max pathfinding? I finished the game with like 80+ extra coins that I don't even need. The main problem is the beginning of the game where u have to find clues, lvlup relationships AND somehow get money for the lessons. And nope, u can't work for Callie bc she is busy. Ur options are library or hunting only. And the dev specifically made that hunts will give u only 7 coins, so u can't get 15 in 2 days, making u to miss the deadline by 1 day.

Callie is only busy one or two days of the week, the rest of the time, you can work for her. Just like Samarra is not available to train with a few days a week, but is in the training grounds every other morning.

On friday of week 1, you always have 10 coins (aldred plus evelyn) plus whatever you made from working that week - and you need to work 3x in the library, regardless, to find all the interesting books and all the clues to Primrose's small secret. 19 coins total, more than enough to get the 2nd magical training. By the time you qualify for the final magical training, you'll have been able to level up pathfinding to the point where you get 20 coins per boar. And then one or two boar gets you over the top for that.

 

[glaurung]

OK WTF... 3 playthroughs, 3 times bad ending. Is the last point of Charisma that important for a good ending ?? If so, I can't , for the love of god, figure out which girl is not giving me the charisma point.
I break Selena's curse, and the demon then just kills me... Evelyn is hanged.

This game is now turning into a personal challenge for me.

You can gain a point of charisma from each of the 5 women in town (Nell, Samarra, Callie, Evelyn, Primrose).
Nell, Primrose, Callie: you get the point when you get the choice to become their boyfriend (regardless of whether you say yes or no)
Evelyn: you get the point when you remove the inhibition that makes it impossible to confess your feelings for her without her leaving town.
Samarra: you get the point when you talk to her in her tent, after winning a fight with her in the training grounds (not just landing a blow, but winning the battle). You get the point regardless of whether you have sex with her or not. (charisma aside, you cannot win the game if you don't win that battle)

Since there's also a charisma raising book, you only need to successfully get points from 4 out of the 5.

AFAIK, winning the game requires maxing out charisma, courage, and (to win the fight with Samarra) agility.
If you're getting to the point of having sex with Selena, then you're almost all the way there.

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[glaurung]

Is it possible to have an Evelyn/Callie threesome ending where they're both impregnated and happy about it? I couldn't find any way to get Callie to accept it in the threesome path. (I avoided the picnic invitation because I take it that locks me into a solo relationship with Callie.)

Also, if you impregnate Callie when she's not ready, the ending will say that both Evelyn and Callie were knocked up against their will, even though Evelyn was very willing.

Callie does not like getting pregnant no matter what.

 

[Nishka]

I couldn't get all this in time, since u need 15 coins for training, but hunting gives u only 7, so 2 days is only 14. Also u can't work in the shop bc she is busy those days, so the only way is hunts, meaning u can't use afternoon for anything else.

As for endgame choices I did everything right, except I didn't seduce the crone princes. U really need to fuck her to avoid everyone dying? This is stupid.

It is quite possible to do, but yeah you have to actually manage your time and do stuff in the right order.

Yeah, that's the same for me. Looks like u have to brainwash and fuck literally every girl to avoid this. Basically go for harem or die.
Btw u get charisma when u brainwash them too (remove inhibitions). For example u need to make Evelyn to love incest to get 1 point. This clown game...

Why would I do hunting when I max pathfinding? I finished the game with like 80+ extra coins that I don't even need.

No you don't need to fuck every girl to get the good ending, and the 80+ coins is a very obvious sign that you did not manage your time right, since you have been working way to much.

 

[glaurung]

Yeah, that's the same for me. Looks like u have to brainwash and fuck literally every girl to avoid this. Basically go for harem or die.
Btw u get charisma when u brainwash them too (remove inhibitions). For example u need to make Evelyn to love incest to get 1 point. This clown game...

You can get charisma points from everyone except Callie without having sex with them. Evelyn and Samarra - points gained outside of any relationship context. Callie, Primrose, and nell: you get the point when you get the choice to become their boyfriend, regardless of whether or not you do so. Kiss nell in the bell tower and then say it was "just a kiss" - +1 charisma and you stay just friends. Say no to Primrose when she invites you to the library at night and says she loves you - +1 charisma and stay freinds. Etc.