VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lord of Imagination [Ep. 4.5 NTR] [AgentGames]

[ptahn]

There is no way to please the "NTR Haters", I mean, only way that can "please" them is that somehow, MC is able to win the Mafia immediately, engage fun with the "LandLady" (But that would make not sense, since MC just got the power, and the Mafia seems to be skilled in it), and somehow, they will still complain about there being not enough scenes, it is a never ending cycle. I mean, the pattern is there, lost count in how many great games were stopped due to the hate. But then again, if the "Haters" are patreons, I would say nothing, due to them paying, but if they are not... It is like they walk into a restaurant to have a free meal, but is still complaining at everything.

When this subject first came up I looked at the developer's Patreon page and saw that he was only looking to get $100/month in pledges so I never said a word in this discussion group, but many did. The developer made the NTR avoidable so even before I played the game I went to his page and pledged $1/month. Not a lot but as an "NTR hater" I was willing to give him something just for making the change. I realize that not ever game is made for me. I do suggest to new developers that they make NTR avoidable and to stay away from NTR-ish scenes when money is a concern for them. The problem is that either there are not enough NTR lovers or that NTR lovers don't support games or a combination of both, but a game that is full on NTR does not make the kind of money that a non-NTR game makes.

 

[Mwanted]

There is no way to please the "NTR Haters", I mean, only way that can "please" them is that somehow, MC is able to win the Mafia immediately, engage fun with the "LandLady" (But that would make not sense, since MC just got the power, and the Mafia seems to be skilled in it), and somehow, they will still complain about there being not enough scenes, it is a never ending cycle. I mean, the pattern is there, lost count in how many great games were stopped due to the hate. But then again, if the "Haters" are patreons, I would say nothing, due to them paying, but if they are not... It is like they walk into a restaurant to have a free meal, but is still complaining at everything.

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The amount of hate they dish out in this and other threads is really something, I'm disgusted by those people.
Not to mention they're actually a vocal minority that often act as if they represent some sort of majority, there's plenty of well supported games with that kink as the main theme (the tyrant is actually the worst, I don't like it)

 

[diegao]

Wait a minute... why did the dev change the story a lil bit? before this update the MC the only thing he knew was that his father had abandoned them but he didn't know he was dead and his mother was hiding it. but at the beginning of this update and the officer arrives at his house, he already knows that his father is dead? I would have really liked to see when the MC realizes that his father did not abandon them but actually killed by the mafia. that sucks.

Anyway. thank you so much for this update

 

[J0K3RXXX]

Wait a minute... why did the dev change the story a lil bit? before this update the MC the only thing he knew was that his father had abandoned them but he didn't know he was dead and his mother was hiding it. but at the beginning of this update and the officer arrives at his house, he already knows that his father is dead? I would have really liked to see when the MC realizes that his father did not abandon them but actually killed by the mafia. that sucks.

Anyway. thank you so much for this update

If I remember correctly, there was a member of the developer team that left it, being supplied by a new member, and the resulting team decided to make some changes in the story. In addition, in the original story the Mother must assume that her husband has died, so the really strange thing is why she hid that to her son, causing obvious hatred towards his own father.

 

[ptahn]

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The amount of hate they dish out in this and other threads is really something, I'm disgusted by those people.
Not to mention they're actually a vocal minority that often act as if they represent some sort of majority, there's plenty of well supported games with that kink as the main theme (the tyrant is actually the worst, I don't like it)

I totally disagree with everything that you said. NTR haters generally ask nicely for NTR to be avoidable not removed from the game. As soon as they do so they are attacked by NTR lovers who say things like "I'm disgusted by those people." If we are a vocal minority, we are a minority that support games with money and not just words. That's why a successful NTR game like The Tyrant also offers a non-NTR path. The Tyrant also makes about $2500/month. WVM makes over $5000/month is only 4 months old and is as far from NTR as is humanly possible. The fact is that if the developer is interested in making money an NTR only game is not the way to go.

 

[randomnamez]

I totally disagree with everything that you said. NTR haters generally ask nicely for NTR to be avoidable not removed from the game. As soon as they do so they are attacked by NTR lovers who say things like "I'm disgusted by those people." If we are a vocal minority, we are a minority that support games with money and not just words. That's why a successful NTR game like The Tyrant also offers a non-NTR path. The Tyrant also makes about $2500/month. WVM makes over $5000/month is only 4 months old and is as far from NTR as is humanly possible. The fact is that if the developer is interested in making money an NTR only game is not the way to go.

Hi, maybe some of them do "ask nicely", but you have to admit, some of them are kinda... Hostile...
For example, "NTR? I am out." Or something along those lines. But as what mention before, there are usually more "extreme" kind of people, be it NTR Haters or NTR Lovers.
But if the "Hater" support the game, instead of "complaining/ranting" on a random forum post, I do believe it will be more effective if they give their feedbacks on the Patreon, where the Developers can be how big a support that person is.
And well, there are a few games, not mentioning names, where the forum gets so toxic about NTR that the game get scrapped or the NTR part gets a rough/rush ending.
And those amounts that you stated, there is no way that you know if 100% of the earnings come from NTR Haters.
Look over this particular forum, there will be mentions of, yeah, people stating that there is NTR and they are out. And I am pretty sure that are not paying Patreon.

And again, NTR games... Will have discussion like these, instead of talking about the progress of the game. And as stated many times, I do hope the Developers will get to create the game they have in mind. Unless a NTR Hater patreon throws in thousands of dollars in a single month and demand for a change.

 

[Sihil]

I totally disagree with everything that you said. NTR haters generally ask nicely for NTR to be avoidable not removed from the game. As soon as they do so they are attacked by NTR lovers who say things like "I'm disgusted by those people." If we are a vocal minority, we are a minority that support games with money and not just words. That's why a successful NTR game like The Tyrant also offers a non-NTR path. The Tyrant also makes about $2500/month. WVM makes over $5000/month is only 4 months old and is as far from NTR as is humanly possible. The fact is that if the developer is interested in making money an NTR only game is not the way to go.

You should've taken a look at the public posts on our Patreon page before I deleted all the hateful comments.

 

[SAMASH112]

Love the game, would not change a thing! Thank you..

Same

 

[Sihil]

Wait a minute... why did the dev change the story a lil bit? before this update the MC the only thing he knew was that his father had abandoned them but he didn't know he was dead and his mother was hiding it. but at the beginning of this update and the officer arrives at his house, he already knows that his father is dead? I would have really liked to see when the MC realizes that his father did not abandon them but actually killed by the mafia. that sucks.

Anyway. thank you so much for this update

Yeah that was one of the many changes I made in the story. We were trying to alter the script in such a way that will benefit the story in the long run. Of course I didn't have much of a clue how bad the controversy surrounding Ntr is, otherwise I'd have focused more on separating the non Ntr and ntr stories further instead of making hundreds of tiny changes that most people didn't even notice

 

[Deleted member 900601]

So when you have a choice to go to a look at what happening at home with landlady and Carl if you go there you see them fucking but if you don't go then game acts like nothing happened between them. As if what happens at home is decided by whether you go take a look or no. It's really hard to get into story written this way, it just doesn't make sense. When I saw the word rewrite I assumed it will fix shit like this.

If you want to have branching paths like that then they should be decided by some kind of decision before that, not by you deciding to spy or not.

Schrodinger's porn, you are getting both NTRed and not.

 

[ptahn]

Hi, maybe some of them do "ask nicely", but you have to admit, some of them are kinda... Hostile...
For example, "NTR? I am out." Or something along those lines. But as what mention before, there are usually more "extreme" kind of people, be it NTR Haters or NTR Lovers.
But if the "Hater" support the game, instead of "complaining/ranting" on a random forum post, I do believe it will be more effective if they give their feedbacks on the Patreon, where the Developers can be how big a support that person is.
And well, there are a few games, not mentioning names, where the forum gets so toxic about NTR that the game get scrapped or the NTR part gets a rough/rush ending.
And those amounts that you stated, there is no way that you know if 100% of the earnings come from NTR Haters.
Look over this particular forum, there will be mentions of, yeah, people stating that there is NTR and they are out. And I am pretty sure that are not paying Patreon.

And again, NTR games... Will have discussion like these, instead of talking about the progress of the game. And as stated many times, I do hope the Developers will get to create the game they have in mind. Unless a NTR Hater patreon throws in thousands of dollars in a single month and demand for a change.

I don't consider "NTR? I am out." as hostile.

I'm not sure why someone would support a game just so they could go on Patreon to complain about the content.

Non-NTR games tend to make more money that NTR games, it doesn't matter from whom the money comes. But using your logic, a non-NTR game gets money from both NTR haters and lovers, an NTR game gets money from NTR lovers. Which has more potential patrons? Obviously, this developer believed this and added a non-NTR route.

 

[randomnamez]

I don't consider "NTR? I am out." as hostile.

I'm not sure why someone would support a game just so they could go on Patreon to complain about the content.

Non-NTR games tend to make more money that NTR games, it doesn't matter from whom the money comes. But using your logic, a non-NTR game gets money from both NTR haters and lovers, an NTR game gets money from NTR lovers. Which has more potential patrons? Obviously, this developer believed this and added a non-NTR route.

That's true, what you mention, and that's why I mention I hope that the developers get to create the game they had in mind.
As for the "NTR? I am out", that was the most basic/shorten version, you can go and have a look at the first few pages of any NTR games, and there would be comment on those lines. Well, for this game too, in fact, if you have a look at it.
And about the money part, yeah... That's true, but there are games that have NTR elements that is gaining more money too.

"I'm not sure why someone would support a game just so they could go on Patreon to complain about the content."
But that is well, at least it make more sense that a person that is not supporting the game in any way complaining about its content, right...?

And again, last time, I did not state that there can't be a non-ntr path, just have a look at this forum, when the non-ntr is out, they are still asking... Ah, you know what I am talking about if you have read though the posts.

Just hope that the developers can create the game they have in mind. All the hate on the NTR or Non-NTR can be demoralizing.

 

[Deleted member 1387011]

So when you have a choice to go to a look at what happening at home with landlady and Carl if you go there you see them fucking but if you don't go then game acts like nothing happened between them. As if what happens at home is decided by whether you go take a look or no. It's really hard to get into story written this way, it just doesn't make sense. When I saw the word rewrite I assumed it will fix shit like this.

If you want to have branching paths like that then they should be decided by some kind of decision before that, not by you deciding to spy or not.

Yeah the problem here is also that if I know the girl is easy to cheat and cuck MC I instantly have no desire to even go on her normal route anyways. Just kills these games for me.

 

[19Castiel23]

great game nice story

 

[randomnamez]

so... because i don't like NTR and think its a trash fetish is there a way to bypass it? the posts about ntr lovers vs hater are kinda interesting, what is it about ntr that makes people like it? i could never understand wanting to see my lover or someone i care a lot about taken away from me and turned into lying cheating bitch who is basically a cocksleeve for some assholes. does the thought of "your" girl being taken away by a "better" man turn you on? do you like being degraded not just sexually but also physically and emotionally? i honestly have no idea what goes through ntr lovers minds, maybe its because im a possessive dominant guy and the thought of another man touching me girl pisses me off but i just know i could never let that happen. can someone explain?

Hi, erm well... In a sense, for me, can't speak for all. It makes the game more... "Real"? Since well, the game is set in well, a situation that has other guys. For some games, it is kinda... Unrealistic that all the ladies fall madly in love with the MC, even when the ladies know he is seeing some other ladies. So maybe, in a way... There is real "consequences" in the game with NTR, you treat the lady coldly, she goes to another men. Game without NTR, in other words, you can do anything, and the lady will go to the MC. And well, the NTR I look for is of course not the kind that the ladies jump on the first other man she sees. In this game, what makes it hot is from the mind control powers from the "Rival's" side. And for example, take some incest game, the MC is out to seduce his Mom, and if the Mom can get seduce by her son... High chance she would too be seduced by another man, right? If other men sees that she is single and available?

But from what you mention, of course I get what you mean, but still, it is a game, and well, it is some sort of a fantasies.

 

[ptahn]

so... because i don't like NTR and think its a trash fetish is there a way to bypass it? the posts about ntr lovers vs hater are kinda interesting, what is it about ntr that makes people like it? i could never understand wanting to see my lover or someone i care a lot about taken away from me and turned into lying cheating bitch who is basically a cocksleeve for some assholes. does the thought of "your" girl being taken away by a "better" man turn you on? do you like being degraded not just sexually but also physically and emotionally? i honestly have no idea what goes through ntr lovers minds, maybe its because im a possessive dominant guy and the thought of another man touching me girl pisses me off but i just know i could never let that happen. can someone explain?

Way to rain on my "NTR haters are generally civil" parade.

 

[highfist]

Way to rain on my "NTR haters are generally civil" parade.

was that not civil? lol all i did was express my opinion on a fetish and then ask what about said fetish it was that attracted people to it.

 

[ptahn]

was that not civil? lol all i did was express my opinion on a fetish and then ask what about said fetish it was that attracted people to it.

Just saying, don't be surprised if you get the dreaded facepalm.

 

[Ginji]

it seems too many posts here are about NTR and not the actual games.heres a thought
1 find game
2 check tags
3 if tags contain something you dont like move along to next game
OR PLAY WITHOUT BITCHING.
BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE A FETISH DOESNT MEAN NO ONE ELSE DOES.
now back to some incest,drugging,blackmailling

 

[ptahn]

it seems too many posts here are about NTR and not the actual games.heres a thought
1 find game
2 check tags
3 if tags contain something you dont like move along to next game
OR PLAY WITHOUT BITCHING.
BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE A FETISH DOESNT MEAN NO ONE ELSE DOES.
now back to some incest,drugging,blackmailling

See this is what happens once we become uncivil as NTR haters, NTR lovers get all righteous. The squabble started because the game had unavoidable NTR and had no NTR tag.