VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lord of Imagination [Ep. 4.5 NTR] [AgentGames]

[DRinWV]

Tried to play it. Something wrong with incest patch, sometimes it replaces landlady, roommate and so on, sometimes not. And text in game is clearly written for autoreplacement, without it it's just ridiculous. Like when policeman calls MC "tenant" (replacement for son).
But even with working incest patch game would be still not flawless. Don't want to say bad things about dev's writing skills but story in this game look like it was written by schoolboy. Or like a screenplay for a porn movie. MC with no education wants to work on high-salary job, calling himself schizophrenic although he's just has delusions, it cannot be schizophrenia without brain scan. His mother is menatlly ill too, but no one can name her diagnosis and she's not taking any meds. MC's GF uses him as a walking dildo, their talk in bed... well, I've seen porn movies with better dialogs. Some demoness proves MC that she's real by remotely pulling down teacher's skirt (real mature move), MC totally believe it right on the spot. School's bulding calls for PTSD in MC. Almost every dialog... well, just like MC's and his GF's bed talk, the same quality. I can say that game has good renders but what good in renders if text in this VN makes my mind hurt.

OK there are actually a couple of fixes incest and roommate fixes.
My incest or a roommate fix from my earlier post #908 will work.
and RoadWulf led me to his but you do not need to unren you just need to delete the z.rpy and z.rpyc files in the game folder.
Thanks RoadWulf.

 

[ProofreadingRUS]

Why would he take that card from that criminal and why would he tell his landlady/
That would have made matters worse later on after the fool took that gangster to his home.
Major dos and don'ts in this game almost like he was asking for it.

 

[Tyrranus]

ok so I am playing atm and I notice that if I swerve the car, the dialogue when getting home goes a little weird, referencing a few things from the original path that you dont get in the new one

 

[micojive]

Unavoidable NTR is an insta drop from me. Good luck with your game in the future.

 

[Tyrranus]

Im not done yet but Ive yet to see this 'unavoidable NTR' so far.... still wanna melt carl's face, but again Im not even done yet.

also the game kinda jumps from time to time like theres a missing screen or line of dialogue here and there.

ok finished the current update and there was 0 NTR what the fuck you guys on about?!

also lol, devs please go over your script! you sons of a tenent! lol replacing every instance of 'child' and 'son' and such didnt work for you!

 

[The ArcKnight]

NTR is about instilling feelings of jealousy in the audience.

Basically you get someone emotionally invested in a character and then psychologically abuse the person who fell in the trap of becoming emotionally invested in your bait character.

It's psychopathic.

Your choices are:
1) Let the guy fuck your mom
2) Watch the guy fuck your mom.

Gravity effects me regardless of whether or not I believe it does.
Non-NTR, my ass.

Can I get any third party confirmation on this?
Are these your only 2 choices when it comes to the mom? Because yeah, Noooo. If that is the case I think this one is going to be a skip for me.

Also, from skimming the comments apparently you as the MC are suppose to have sympathy for the dude who rapes your mom? Fuck no!

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Tyrranus]

Can I get any third party confirmation on this?
Are these your only 2 choices when it comes to the mom? Because yeah, Noooo. If that is the case I think this one is going to be a skip for me.

Also, from skimming the comments apparently you as the MC are suppose to have sympathy for the dude who rapes your mom? Fuck no!

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I just finished the update and there was 0 NTR and not really any sympathy for Carl. You end up having to work with him sure, but you also immediately begin plotting various ways to get rid of his ass

 

[ShadowThrone]

Can I get any third party confirmation on this?
Are these your only 2 choices when it comes to the mom? Because yeah, Noooo. If that is the case I think this one is going to be a skip for me.

Also, from skimming the comments apparently you as the MC are suppose to have sympathy for the dude who rapes your mom? Fuck no!

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If you make the correct choices your mom does not get raped.
Choices show in brackets what the outcome will be.
First choice has outcome: 1 - NTR, 2 - possibly NTR or non-NTR
If you chose second option above, you get another 2 choices, 1 NTR and the other non-NTR

Only other NTR situation I have seen so far is also avoidable

 

[The ArcKnight]

If you make the correct choices your mom does not get raped.
Choices show in brackets what the outcome will be.
First choice has outcome: 1 - NTR, 2 - possibly NTR or non-NTR
If you chose second option above, you get another 2 choices, 1 NTR and the other non-NTR

Only other NTR situation I have seen so far is also avoidable

So like the guy who's post I originally quoted, I have a rather broad definition of NTR. I don't want any other guy fucking "or implided to be fucking ala Fade to Black, any girl we might have the potential to be with as the MC.

So if we can keep this carl guy's hands off our (current/future) women then this might be something to check out. If not going to have to pass.

 

[Jialiya]

I don't want ntr come on give me a break give me game without ntr bro please and add some walkthrough too in this game
......

 

[Jialiya]

If someone have walkthrough about non-ntr about this game then send me a link
.....

 

[Sihil]

Dude, from what I've seen since you took over the script, I can tell that you are a good writer, but there's no way in hell you can make this guy likeable. He was introduced with a "Hi, I'm Carl, now I'm gonna rape the hottest (in my opinion at least) character in the game who happens to be the person who's the most important in the MC's life" scene. It has nothing to do with your writing skills. Even if you were Tarantino's ghostwriter, what was seen cannot be unseen. He's always gonna be the guy who's first act, right after being introduced, was to try and rape (or actually doing it, depending on the path you chose) Sara and unless you're into this type of content, I don't see how you can ever like him after that.

I thought a lot about your post. Few of his deeds are indeed too unforgivable but a distinction should be made here. In total, there are only two bad actions he takes when you're making non-NTR choices. One is his mind-controlling MC to get him to his home in the first chapter and the other is stabbing the MC in his head which is really not as bad as it sounds when you heal from the wounds that serious in a matter of seconds, besides, in his mind, he's doing MC a favor by getting him used to the pain (More on that in the next update.) Other than that there are moments here and there where he is a jerk as well but they are much smaller offenses in comparison to these two.
The problem here is the bias from the point in time when NTR in the game was unavoidable AND the previous writer forgot to add the NTR tag which resulted in the non-NTR players having to deal with the worst rendition of his character. And now, I am here defending decisions that someone else had made.
One another point I wanted to make, there are the things he does in the NTR side of the game that make him a lot more deplorable but it's unfair to judge one rendition of a character with the standards set by a completely different set of choices. For instance, in the beginning, if you make the NTR choice in the very beginning, he ends up raping MC's mom. If not, he either spends some time with his mom alone where the player doesn't yet know what he did. He doesn't fuck her, by the way. Here's what he does:

Spoiler: Carl's mole

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Anyway, the fact at hand is that currently, he has the depth of an overgrown high school bully. I plan to make him more three-dimensional so that even if people don't like him by the end, they'll at least see why how he justifies his own actions.

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Yeah, with the exception of the MC, people on Zel's side are either full-blown machiavellians, complete psychopaths or both.

Im not done yet but Ive yet to see this 'unavoidable NTR' so far.... still wanna melt carl's face, but again Im not even done yet.

also the game kinda jumps from time to time like theres a missing screen or line of dialogue here and there.

ok finished the current update and there was 0 NTR what the fuck you guys on about?!

also lol, devs please go over your script! you sons of a tenent! lol replacing every instance of 'child' and 'son' and such didnt work for you!

Man, we need a coder.

Can I get any third party confirmation on this?
Are these your only 2 choices when it comes to the mom? Because yeah, Noooo. If that is the case I think this one is going to be a skip for me.

Also, from skimming the comments apparently you as the MC are suppose to have sympathy for the dude who rapes your mom? Fuck no!

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No, he doesn't end up raping regardless of what you choose. Here's what he does:

Spoiler: Carl's mole

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So like the guy who's post I originally quoted, I have a rather broad definition of NTR. I don't want any other guy fucking "or implided to be fucking ala Fade to Black, any girl we might have the potential to be with as the MC.

So if we can keep this carl guy's hands off our (current/future) women then this might be something to check out. If not going to have to pass.

You won't get to see any NTR scenes, implied or otherwise, unless you make the choices that, in my opinion quite obviously, lead to NTR.

 

[eddie987]

The game doesn't have unavoidable NTR. It started this way, but later on they added 2 non-NTR paths. In my opinion they didn't do the best job to clear every suspicion that nothing happened behind the scenes (I don't want to write the same things again, so anyone interested can read this https://f95zone.to/threads/lord-of-imagination-ch-2-agentgames.37422/post-3048753 ) when Carl first appears, but that might be just because I played the first version of the game that had unavoidable NTR without any tags or warnings and I'm being extra cautious. Again, there are non-NTR paths now, and there is no need for a walkthrough. You can actually see which choice leads to NTR, except for the last update where there is an implied scene and to avoid it, just stand up to Carl when you talk about the MC's girlfriend working for him.

 

[LordSinner]

The game doesn't have unavoidable NTR. It started this way, but later on they added 2 non-NTR paths. In my opinion they didn't do the best job to clear every suspicion that nothing happened behind the scenes (I don't want to write the same things again, so anyone interested can read this https://f95zone.to/threads/lord-of-imagination-ch-2-agentgames.37422/post-3048753 ) when Carl first appears, but that might be just because I played the first version of the game that had unavoidable NTR without any tags or warnings and I'm being extra cautious. Again, there are non-NTR paths now, and there is no need for a walkthrough. You can actually see which choice leads to NTR, except for the last update where there is an implied scene and to avoid it, just stand up to Carl when you talk about the MC's girlfriend working for him.

This is the problem there should be NO NTR on the non-NTR path AT ALL implied or otherwise.

 

[juan palote]

Incest patch is not working for some reason

EDIT:

Ok i fixed the issue, i edited the z.rpy file and change the dictionary so that the right side of the : has the same as the left side

 

[eddie987]

I thought a lot about your post. Few of his deeds are indeed too unforgivable but a distinction should be made here. In total, there are only two bad actions he takes when you're making non-NTR choices. One is his mind-controlling MC to get him to his home in the first chapter and the other is stabbing the MC in his head which is really not as bad as it sounds when you heal from the wounds that serious in a matter of seconds, besides, in his mind, he's doing MC a favor by getting him used to the pain (More on that in the next update.) Other than that there are moments here and there where he is a jerk as well but they are much smaller offenses in comparison to these two.
The problem here is the bias from the point in time when NTR in the game was unavoidable AND the previous writer forgot to add the NTR tag which resulted in the non-NTR players having to deal with the worst rendition of his character. And now, I am here defending decisions that someone else had made.
One another point I wanted to make, there are the things he does in the NTR side of the game that make him a lot more deplorable but it's unfair to judge one rendition of a character with the standards set by a completely different set of choices. For instance, in the beginning, if you make the NTR choice in the very beginning, he ends up raping MC's mom. If not, he either spends some time with his mom alone where the player doesn't yet know what he did. He doesn't fuck her, by the way. Here's what he does:

Spoiler: Carl's mole

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Anyway, the fact at hand is that currently, he has the depth of an overgrown high school bully. I plan to make him more three-dimensional so that even if people don't like him by the end, they'll at least see why how he justifies his own actions.

I'm definitely biased against him, because I was one of the players you mentioned. The thing is that even when you stop him, you know that the alternative is him raping her. If I remember correctly in one path he tells her to go to the bedroom before you stop him and get beaten up, so I don't think he just wanted to check if she made her bed in the morning... Also in one path you get the "she's horny because he used his powers on her and didn't fuck her" speech from Zel, while in the other one she doesn't appear horny at all, after the MC recovers from the beating.

I get what you're saying, but I think that since the NTR paths are possible outcomes depending on your choices, they are still canon, because everything else about him is exactly the same. For instance you can still get the implied NTR scene if he thinks that you're weak, no matter what you've done up until this point, so the paths aren't really that separated.

I know you didn't create this character and you're not responsible for his "introduction", but trying to make him likeable after that... Well, let's just say that I don't envy you for this task. Anyway, as long as we are not forced (and that's the key word here) to become buddies with him, there's no harm in trying. I guess it's a good challenge for a writer.

 

[eddie987]

This is the problem there should be NO NTR on the non-NTR path AT ALL implied or otherwise.

I agree and according to the devs there isn't any. For some reason they chose not to show what's happening, or in this case not happening, in the background of some scenes, and that's creating some doubts, but it's just that, doubts.

 

[LordSinner]

I agree and according to the dev's there isn't any. For some reason they chose not to show what's happening, or in this case not happening, in the background of some scenes, and that's creating some doubts, but it's just that, doubts.

I get that it is supposed to be just doubts, but given what we know about Carl that does not make any sense. I mean if the guy is willing to rape someone in the first place how are we supposed to believe he isn't doing anything with them just because we(the MC) make a different choice, the guy is the same no matter which path you are on.

 

[MadCore]

I thought a lot about your post. Few of his deeds are indeed too unforgivable but a distinction should be made here. In total, there are only two bad actions he takes when you're making non-NTR choices. One is his mind-controlling MC to get him to his home in the first chapter and the other is stabbing the MC in his head which is really not as bad as it sounds when you heal from the wounds that serious in a matter of seconds, besides, in his mind, he's doing MC a favor by getting him used to the pain (More on that in the next update.) Other than that there are moments here and there where he is a jerk as well but they are much smaller offenses in comparison to these two.
The problem here is the bias from the point in time when NTR in the game was unavoidable AND the previous writer forgot to add the NTR tag which resulted in the non-NTR players having to deal with the worst rendition of his character. And now, I am here defending decisions that someone else had made.
One another point I wanted to make, there are the things he does in the NTR side of the game that make him a lot more deplorable but it's unfair to judge one rendition of a character with the standards set by a completely different set of choices. For instance, in the beginning, if you make the NTR choice in the very beginning, he ends up raping MC's mom. If not, he either spends some time with his mom alone where the player doesn't yet know what he did. He doesn't fuck her, by the way. Here's what he does:

Spoiler: Carl's mole

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Anyway, the fact at hand is that currently, he has the depth of an overgrown high school bully. I plan to make him more three-dimensional so that even if people don't like him by the end, they'll at least see why how he justifies his own actions.

Yeah, with the exception of the MC, people on Zel's side are either full-blown machiavellians, complete psychopaths or both.

Man, we need a coder.

No, he doesn't end up raping regardless of what you choose. Here's what he does:

Spoiler: Carl's mole

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You won't get to see any NTR scenes, implied or otherwise, unless you make the choices that, in my opinion quite obviously, lead to NTR.

Whatever you write, Carl won't be liked anymore. So please think about giving players a choice, where they can destroy Carl.

 

[eddie987]

I get that it is supposed to be just doubts, but given what we know about Carl that does not make any sense. I mean if the guy is willing to rape someone in the first place how are we supposed to believe he isn't doing anything with them just because we(the MC) make a different choice, the guy is the same no matter which path you are on.

I know, and I agree with you. I've already said how easy it would be to clear all these doubts once and for all. I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt, because the writer isn't the same they had when they started and he's trying to fix some things. I'm still extremely cautious myself, but in his last comment (#961) he said that he'll try to make some things more clear. Check his "spoilers".