VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lord of Imagination [Ep. 4.5 NTR] [AgentGames]

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LordSinner

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eddie987 said:
I know, and I agree with you. I've already said how easy it would be to clear all these doubts once and for all. I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt, because the writer isn't the same they had when they started and he's trying to fix some things. I'm still extremely cautious myself, but in his last comment (#961) he said that he'll try to make some things more clear. Check his "spoilers".
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I have read the DEV's post "spoilers" included, but for me at least this is the end of the road for this game. I played after the "fix" and the non-NTR route was added and I think it was worse for me than if the game would have just stayed NTR only. I am just tired of all the loser and/or creepy ass little shit MCs in the games on this site, I get that a lot of people like an underdog story but the MC doesn't need to be a total loser for this to be a good underdog story, take one of the non-NTR routes for example, you get your ass kicked by Carl on top of all the other shit already going on you cant fight either, how about you start to kick Carl's ass and then he has to cheat at least the MC wouldn't come off as a complete and utter loser. Let's be honest as it stands right now there is no way in hell that the MC is going to beat Carl in any believable way.
 
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I don't comment much here but can we please just get a Mac version for chapter 2. The suspense is killing me considering there wasn't much non-NTR content in chapter 1.
 
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Sihil said:
The problem here is the bias from
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I didn't play before. From the start mc witch's slave. And then we have:
Mind control;
Threat;
And then: Carl:"You, fucking whore, go to the bedroom and~". And then they'll talk about birds, right?
You can't redeem this game for nonntr crowd. Game screaming ntr from the start, no point to change it, just ignore vanilla fans and do your game with "ntr" tag added. Or you can try to please non-target audience...
 
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Sihil said:
No, he doesn't end up raping regardless of what you choose. Here's what he does:
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You won't get to see any NTR scenes, implied or otherwise, unless you make the choices that, in my opinion quite obviously, lead to NTR.
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Jubz said:
And then: Carl:"You, fucking whore, go to the bedroom and~".
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Ya know whats fun? I saw neither of these..... She tried to klang him in the head with a frying pan and then kicked the MCs ass when he tried to grow a pair. Whatever he did while your MC is out cold is a different matter but either way, I saw no NTR implied or otherwise :p
 
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Tyrranus said:
Ya know whats fun? I saw neither of these..... She tried to klang him in the head with a frying pan and then kicked the MCs ass when he tried to grow a pair. Whatever he did while your MC is out cold is a different matter but either way, I saw no NTR implied or otherwise :p
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My route, but all choices with frying pan involved lead to last image. So...
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About "i saw no ntr" good for you.
 
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Is there a way to turn off NTR from the start or is it all about making individual choices?

I am very thankful that each choice (from the screen shots I see) that can lead to NTR is labeled clearly.

Something I've noticed about corruption games and people who play them, we tend to be fairly possessive:
-MC Corrupts females in his life- Player:"Fuck yes, there is my good little slut"
-Another male character corrupts the females in the MC's life- Player: "I WILL FUCKING DESTROY HIM!"

For alot of humans, its pretty much wired in our brain to want to kill/crush any competition we have.
I can't say i'm any different. I personally want to be able to eliminate any male rival I can in a porn game.

That being said, if you do plan on having a full NON-NTR path and make NTR completely avoidable the game will need a bit of work. I do not envy the writer for their task of making Carl an even somewhat relate-able character because with everything I've seen, I just want to off him as quickly as possible.

I do appreciate the effort being put forth though. Its super hard having to rework something someone else did as well as inject your own ideas into said project in a consistent manner. <3
 
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eddie987 said:
I'm definitely biased against him, because I was one of the players you mentioned. The thing is that even when you stop him, you know that the alternative is him raping her. If I remember correctly in one path he tells her to go to the bedroom before you stop him and get beaten up, so I don't think he just wanted to check if she made her bed in the morning... Also in one path you get the "she's horny because he used his powers on her and didn't fuck her" speech from Zel, while in the other one she doesn't appear horny at all, after the MC recovers from the beating.

I get what you're saying, but I think that since the NTR paths are possible outcomes depending on your choices, they are still canon, because everything else about him is exactly the same. For instance you can still get the implied NTR scene if he thinks that you're weak, no matter what you've done up until this point, so the paths aren't really that separated.

I know you didn't create this character and you're not responsible for his "introduction", but trying to make him likeable after that... Well, let's just say that I don't envy you for this task. Anyway, as long as we are not forced (and that's the key word here) to become buddies with him, there's no harm in trying. I guess it's a good challenge for a writer.
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Actually fuck it, this whole scene is a mess. I had considered changing it in the very first release when I joined the game but that wasn't really an option back then as we were already 3 months in with no update and I was trying not to utilize new renders to save time. But now, I've talked to AG and we're redoing it. As for the paths with Carl, of course, there are at least three outcomes planned where he dies, 2 of which are where MC kills him himself. But about your comment about choices and their effects, Carl's perception about MC will change with the choices you make and thus his personality will change with that. Not to say, he won't be a rapist and a murder anymore.
 
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Is it possible for MC to bend other women to his will like the Mafia boss does in the NTR path, cuz I wanna do it in the non-NTR path in the future.
 
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Sihil said:
I've talked to AG and we're redoing it. As for the paths with Carl, of course, there are at least three outcomes planned where he dies, 2 of which are where MC kills him himself. Carl's perception about MC will change with the choices you make and thus his personality will change with that
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Thanks for clearing that up for us. Btw, what about the mom's past ... in the initial release she was a stripper. But the MC dreamed of fucking her in the ass. Was she also a prostitute or that changed too with the new script ?? Olivia's dad was a mobster who shot MC's dad ... he still part of the plot ?? And why is the MC so important to Zelphryna ?? I know, I'm a curious kid;)

Please don't force us to break up with Olivia ... she seem to genuinely love the MC tho he'll soon go full manwhore for some bois or Carl 2.0 and fuck every pussy and every enemy he want.

LordSinner i feel u, brother. These weak ass MC's annoy the shit outta me. Don't know why devs keep making games with pathetic excuses called "MC's" but if the ladies are hot and the game has potential I'm willing to put up with that shit. This MC here should pump some iron to put some meat on that skinny ass and train his powers ASAP ... his family's safety and the fate of the world depend on that.
 
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Sihil said:
Actually fuck it, this whole scene is a mess. I had considered changing it in the very first release when I joined the game but that wasn't really an option back then as we were already 3 months in with no update and I was trying not to utilize new renders to save time. But now, I've talked to AG and we're redoing it. As for the paths with Carl, of course, there are at least three outcomes planned where he dies, 2 of which are where MC kills him himself. But about your comment about choices and their effects, Carl's perception about MC will change with the choices you make and thus his personality will change with that. Not to say, he won't be a rapist and a murder anymore.
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Honestly, if you're doing this just to make Carl more likeable, I don't know if it will be worth your time and effort, because like you said, a lot of us are biased against him. That scene is indeed a mess though, and it would be interesting to see your take on it. Of course if you think it will help with his (or even Sara's and/or the MC's) character developement and it will make your life easier in the future, that's a different story. In the end, what the fuck do I know? I'm an engineer, not a writer.

What you said about him getting killed by the MC's hands, being an option, will definitely make it easier for some people to tolerate him.
 
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eddie987 said:
What you said about him getting killed by the MC's hands, being an option, will definitely make it easier for some people to tolerate him.
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This would be the case for me if he was the only problem(well it would go a long way at the very least) if not for the fact that you would still be Zel's bitch, let's be honest she is just as bad if not worse than Carl, but most people give her a pass because she is a female(I am one of the few that does not see a difference between a female or male messing with someone I like).
 
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Well idk for the non - NTR peeps
I for one love the game and the NTR content, was left desiring more and more when the game ended abruptly leaving me with blue balls
Wish there was more content as I have a fractured hand and this virus has us all in a lock down and I cant even meet my friends so this would have been a welcome source of entertainment but nevertheless the game's story is quite enticing and I can't wait to learn more about it all
Thumbs Up to the Devs
 
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The NTR miasma of an NTR world exists, is NTR, and cannot be brushed off as nothing as it will always have its intended effect.
The least you could do is admit the shit that you're into is the shit that you're into.

Ah I see, the mom was a prostitute of course.
Uh, you guys go ahead and do your thing.
 
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Sihil said:
Actually fuck it, this whole scene is a mess. I had considered changing it in the very first release when I joined the game but that wasn't really an option back then as we were already 3 months in with no update and I was trying not to utilize new renders to save time. But now, I've talked to AG and we're redoing it. As for the paths with Carl, of course, there are at least three outcomes planned where he dies, 2 of which are where MC kills him himself. But about your comment about choices and their effects, Carl's perception about MC will change with the choices you make and thus his personality will change with that. Not to say, he won't be a rapist and a murder anymore.
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Tbf I'm not sure it worth the time and effort needed to put into it so that he can become a likeable character. Just leave him as it is for the hardcore cuck fans, and give the option to kill him off/get rid of him as soon as possible, for those who already hate him and most likely won't change their minds about him. Because his initial actions were what they were, you'd really need to revise him from scratch to change the image he already has.
 
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