VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lord of Imagination [Ep. 4.5 NTR] [AgentGames]

[gregers]

He's the main antagonist. Of course he's in the story. Just grow a pair and tell him to fuck off when he tries to make a move. The game gives you the option to either be a wimp or stand up for the things you care about. So just dont be a wimp and all will be fine in that department. I'm not a fan of NTR myself and would not be playing the game if not given that agency.

Doesn't sound much like an antagonist for the rest of the story if he really is taken out of the picture that easily. Anyway, thanks for clearing this up.

Back in the early mists of this thread, the dev has mentioned several times that Carl has ended up wearing a lot of hats in this story, partly just because he was the one male character already introduced in the story before the current writer took the reins. So he acts both as an early mentor figure to the MC, a rival, and the main NTR threat/villain (but not The Big Bad in the overall story arc).
I think the writer would have preferred to spread some of those roles out on a few more faces, but it's a bit late for that now.

 

[Grimtown]

Back in the early mists of this thread, the dev has mentioned several times that Carl has ended up wearing a lot of hats in this story, partly just because he was the one male character already introduced in the story before the current writer took the reins. So he acts both as an early mentor figure to the MC, a rival, and the main NTR threat/villain (but not The Big Bad in the overall story arc).
I think the writer would have preferred to spread some of those roles out on a few more faces, but it's a bit late for that now.

Thanks!

 

[Satyr90]

It would make more sense if you're with the death god side and carl tortures MC by Cucking. If you're on the same side, its quite forced even if they say they have to "break you" excuse

I get it but the only problem I'd see with that would be the gamer thinking "why don't I just kill carl?" If you're on different sides the solution becomes very easy from the beginning, kill carl. How would you deal with him going after your GF, Mom, ect.? The first time I saw him I'd just kill him. However if your on the same side you cant really kill him so what's left? Your life and problems becomes significantly more difficult. I don't think it be forced if your on the same side. Look for example (not porn but go with it) at star wars. Palpatine manipulated Anakin to have him fall to the dark side. That'd be the same mentality I'd have with this game. Carl would be trying to get you to join him and he'd be willing to do anything to break you.

 

[Mario4don]

For those who keep asking about the changelog for the last update and for those who are confused why the OP shows two versions of the game here are answers from dev, so read his answers carefully and you will have your answers:
https://f95zone.to/threads/lord-of-imagination-ep-4-5-ntr-agentgames-sihil.37422/post-5037595

And I ask the Mods to put the OP in order, because at first glance it may seem that there are two different versions of the game, and this as it turns out is not true, because the latest version of the game Ep.4.5 contains all the content of the game so far, i.e. both the path with NTR and path without NTR.

 

[rem3403]

This is a very small update, i would recommend skip it and wait next update.
Scenes:
Diane Scene When she was caught by Carl. She have another scene at the office with Carl
Olivia Naked scene with Carl
Sara Scene with Mafia at the end

To trigger this scenes, you have to be a loser. Not sure why ppl like to play this route.
It doesnt make sense when you have superpower but weaker mentally than a normal man. Maybe i just dislike NTR stories

Also Ashley clothes are not consistent in this update

This reason people like to play this route is simply because we are not really the MC, so why do we care if he is a loser or not? I just prefer something different, unexpected, and a little more corrupt. Do you think being a MC that just goes around and lies and tells every girl he loves them just to get in their pants isn't being a loser?

 

[str8up]

before i make my comment ...please know that i dont mind games that have NTR
this game here has 2 separate versions ...NTR or NO NTR ..when playing the NO NTR version every now and then optional
NTR pops up (not my argument)why not have just 1 game and have the options for NTR or NO NTR?
seems rather stupid to have 2 different versions NTR or NOT and play the NO NTR and still get the optional NTR option anyway
not complaining im wondering simply out of curiosity please enlighten me thank you

 

[Koronak]

I think it's bugged and not supposed to end there maybe?

Like I said I can load a save I had from when I played Episode 3, and I don't know if that's a strong or weak one as they got a bit jumbled... but it's got the content there... and then when I kept going there was more other content that I'd not seen (though it wasn't ntr stuff)... so I'm really confused... either the game wasn't supposed to stop at that point and he forgot to take out a "thanks for playing" jump... or the NTR route is 1/2 the length of the non-ntr one and the NTR download contains all the content from the one for some reason (in which case I don't get why it's split, especially as the rape scene is still removed in the NTR one)...

No, i started new game, and get this poor content. Full "weak" route.

 

[Satyr90]

before i make my comment ...please know that i dont mind games that have NTR
this game here has 2 separate versions ...NTR or NO NTR ..when playing the NO NTR version every now and then optional
NTR pops up (not my argument)why not have just 1 game and have the options for NTR or NO NTR?
seems rather stupid to have 2 different versions NTR or NOT and play the NO NTR and still get the optional NTR option anyway
not complaining im wondering simply out of curiosity please enlighten me thank you

It's easier to combine them. Rather than having two separate games with the same storyline with the exception of NTR it's just easier to work in the NTR and give the gamer the option to not do it. If you pick the loser route aka NTR your mom, gf, friend, ect. all get owned by carl or his minions. If you fight back and stand up for yourself they wont. simple.

 

[trynd]

So since this game was first released, all they have done is remove the only good scene in the entire game and replace it with practically nothing? Seems good.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

For those who keep asking about the changelog for the last update and for those who are confused why the OP shows two versions of the game here are answers from dev, so read his answers carefully and you will have your answers:
https://f95zone.to/threads/lord-of-imagination-ep-4-5-ntr-agentgames-sihil.37422/post-5037595

And I ask the Mods to put the OP in order, because at first glance it may seem that there are two different versions of the game, and this as it turns out is not true, because the latest version of the game Ep.4.5 contains all the content of the game so far, i.e. both the path with NTR and path without NTR.

Thank you for that post.

Have we really got to be so coddling that now optional choices need to be in a separate edition?!?

I understand that I would never invite ntr lovers and ntr haters to Thanksgiving but this seems extreme to have 2 versions of the game. Surely we are adults that are matur... oh yeah, I get it.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Thank you for that post.

Have we really got to be so coddling that now optional choices need to be in a separate edition?!?

I understand that I would never invite ntr lovers and ntr haters to Thanksgiving but this seems extreme to have 2 versions of the game. Surely we are adults that are matur... oh yeah, I get it.

We need a mod to come here and give some butt spanking to a few people.

 

[str8up]

It's easier to combine them. Rather than having two separate games with the same storyline with the exception of NTR it's just easier to work in the NTR and give the gamer the option to not do it. If you pick the loser route aka NTR your mom, gf, friend, ect. all get owned by carl or his minions. If you fight back and stand up for yourself they wont. simple.

so your agreeing with me then?having the 2 separate versions is stupid and clearly doesnt make any sense

 

[Deleted member 398727]

So does this game have NTR or is it one of those games where NTR was removed afterwards due to harassment from anti-NTR crowd?

Edit: OK, looks like there are two versions. Nice then.

 

[Dread Quickill]

Yes this game is great, however dev had removed mom kissing after job, mom and sister chess game content during v3.5 or v4. I want it back.

 

[Fazed]

The main antagonist suppose be the death god no ? Carl should be sub antagonist. The part where Carl is trying to screw MC at every turn does not sit well with me. If MC is a weak person he would have ran away, staying and being tortured constantly by Carl means he will fight. So i feel this direction is quite forced

Run away? Good luck running away from the super powered mafia boss. So the option is be a sheep or take charge. The point is Carl is corrupted, and in his position he is trying to show the MC that they both have the power to do things however they want and if the MC doesn't object to the way carl does things then he will do things his way. It just so happens that he tries to cuck the MC in the process.

Also its NTR. I feel like its always forced in some way. I dont like it and it and so I play the route that doesnt have it. As long as I can do that I don't care. Its never going to be good content for me so why should I put stock in whether its forced or not. At the end of the day I still wont like it, but its presence does add some more plot tension if anything.

Yes I know about the other guy, and I perhaps I misspoke, but NTR/Carl was the subject matter and I suspect he will still be a problem sometime down the line.

 

[Fazed]

This reason people like to play this route is simply because we are not really the MC, so why do we care if he is a loser or not? I just prefer something different, unexpected, and a little more corrupt. Do you think being a MC that just goes around and lies and tells every girl he loves them just to get in their pants isn't being a loser?

....riiight. And allowing the gf, mother figure, etc to get mind controlled and... while the MC has the power to stop it is so much better.
If that was the MC's thought process in this game, I'd probably agree with you on some level, but its not. At least not with the options I choose.

 

[Deleted member 398727]

The interval between choices is too long in my opinion. It almost feels like a kinetic novel at times. But other than that it's fine I guess.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

Personally I dont know why people are upset I mean I highly doubt the dev of the game will force NTR content onto the player if you played your playthrough a certain way and besides the story of the game is what is important.

It is always the same story. People who hate NTR will complain when NTR gets updated because they feel devs should only create stuff they like even when it was clear that the game will have vanilla and NTR. Welcome to F95 Zone.

 

[MangoMeta]

lol like 4 months for a update thats only ntr. nice ones devs. real good. sure you'll grow like that

 

[scrappy]

I've updated the mod for this game here