EmperorGus

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For Gina bartender dancing: Is it only possible if you borrow the car?
IIrc, yes(?)
Specifically, you need to be at the bar in the first hour she's there to get her drunk enough to trigger the scene before the bar closes.
Walking to the bar takes time, so you need the car. Because that's 0 travel time.
(Unless another way to get to the bar in the first hour has been added since I last played. Then... no, you don't need the car you just need to be there on time.)
 

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I got Becky to 100 Grades but still not able to go partying again. Anyone know how you get reenable parties?
Wear the right clothes.
V0.10.01 was bugged, the button to talk about grades during dinner didn't appear even with proper clothes.
The problem has been fixed in V0.10.02. In case moderators haven't updated the OP yet I'll put the comment where I posted the new version below.
 
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Baal7734 After helping Gina - girlfriend (kinda) AT with her homework at the bar I get a favor owed - Gina topic 1701336979795.png .
I feel like this is a bug, shouldn't I get a favor from her instead of owing her one ?
 

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Quick question: Is there any kind of NTR in this? Can Richard fuck Gina? Coz that scene in the kitchen made me curious.
Short answer: Yes. Probably in future updates.

Long answer:

It looks like it is heading that way based on that scene, and LIs doing sexual stuff with people besides the MC is already added to the game. Statements from the dev have also stated that more content of the LIs doing sexual stuff and having sex with people besides the MC will be added.

The intention seems to be that each of the main LIs will have a girlfriend AT path and a sharing/slutty AT path, but it looks like even the girlfriend paths will not all be 100% exclusive. The current Gina AT path is supposed to be the girlfriend AT path, but as you noted her doing stuff with other dudes is being set up on it. So I don't know if it is going to wind up being fully optional once all the ATs are in or if there will still be some that can't be avoided. Other than just not advancing ATs for those characters, I guess.



Some people get really upset in this thread if you call that NTR though, including the dev, and have gotten very upset and complained the times this thread has had the NTR tag added due to the existing scenes. Probably because NTR is such a divisive kink/tag, so they want to quibble that if the LI doing sexy stuff with other characters isn't specifically about those LIs being stolen away from the MC it isn't NTR.

But the people who are averse to NTR and don't like it don't actually care about that aspect. They just don't want their LIs doing stuff with other characters. And it is true there isn't really a good specific tag for that, which is why it has generally been called NTR by most forumgoers. But whatever tag means the LIs do sexual stuff with people besides the MC. This game already has a bit of that and will have more in the future, so it would be a warranted tag for this game and thread.
 
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Short answer: Yes. Probably in future updates.
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Some people get really upset in this thread if you call that NTR though, including the dev, and have gotten very upset and complained the times this thread has had the NTR tag added due to the existing scenes. Probably because NTR is such a divisive kink/tag, so they want to quibble that if the LI doing sexy stuff with other characters isn't specifically about those LIs being stolen away from the MC it isn't NTR.

But the people who are averse to NTR and don't like it don't actually care about that aspect. They just don't want their LIs doing stuff with other characters at all. And it is true there isn't really a good specific tag for that, which is why it has generally been called NTR by most forumgoers. But whatever tag means the LIs do sexual stuff with people besides the MC. This game already has a bit of that and will have more in the future, so it would be a warranted tag for this game and thread.
F95 tagging has specific definitions.
And there is nothing in the game fitting this definition:
Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
As such, It's not a 'quibble'. It just doesn't fit F95s definition.

Gotta call 'bullshit' on the part of your post I highlighted in yellow.
I absolutely hate NTR. Won't play anything with it as a tag.
Which, unfortunately, means I pass over some games I probably don't need to because of how haphazardly the NTR tag is sometimes applied.
There are an awful lot of cases where games get slapped with the (as you pointed out, very divisive) NTR tag when all it should really get is the tag for:
Swinging [A couple allowing one or both partners to have sex with a third party.]
Which I don't give a crap about.

So if games are tagged correctly, players can use the filter to exclude either just NTR (if that's all that bothers them) or the can excluded both NTR and 'Swinging' (If they're in the 'my MCs dick only' group)
 
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F95 tagging has specific definitions.
And there is nothing in the game fitting this definition:

As such, It's not a 'quibble'. It just doesn't fit F95s definition.

Gotta call 'bullshit' on the part of your post I highlighted in yellow.
I absolutely hate NTR. Won't play anything with it as a tag.
Which, unfortunately, means I pass over some games I probably don't need to because of how haphazardly the NTR tag is sometimes applied.
There are an awful lot of cases where games get slapped with the (as you pointed out, very divisive) NTR tag when all it should really get is the tag for:

Which I don't give a crap about.

So if games are tagged correctly, players can use the filter to exclude either just NTR (if that's all that bothers them) or the can excluded both NTR and 'Swinging' (If they're in the 'my MCs dick only' group)
Look, we all know, including you, that whenever someone comes into a thread and asks "Is there any NTR?" what they are asking is "Do the chicks do sexy stuff with other characters besides the main character?".

If you know what someone is asking, but then try to answer it in a different way based on how you want to argue the words they use are defined, that is literally the definition of quibbling.

And, since we are quibbling, Sharing and Swinging are also not all inclusive for the tag of LIs doing sex stuff with people who aren't the MC either. Because if you want to go strictly by the definition, those are acts that cover very specific things too. Not 'my MCs dick only', but instances where couples choose to swap with other couples or bring others as sexual partners into their relationship.

That does not cover cases where:

-The MC is in a casual sex friend relationship (or even just had a casual hookup) with the LI but the LI still has sex and romantic relationships with other characters.
-The MC is trying to get in a relationship with a LI who is sexually active with other characters.

Just a couple quick examples that aren't covered by that tag, but there are more, of course. A problem with the current tag system is that there is NOT a tag for "LIs do sex stuff with people besides the MC". So the NTR tag has been coopted for that purpose by a majority of the people who use this forum. This creates problems for people that actually do want hard NTR (or are only specifically trying to avoid just hard NTR), as not just games with hard NTR get the tag. So they find the tag less useful.

But all of that is why everyone understands that when someone asks, "Is there NTR?", what they are asking is, "Do the chicks bang other dudes?"

And I also understand why devs would want to avoid that tag, as there are a lot of people who filter games based on that tag and they want to avoid people filtering their games as much as possible. But I am in favor of just answering people's questions and going with the flow of forum culture and jargon rather than fighting it. So when someone asks if the chicks do sex stuff with other characters, I'll tell them yes if that is in the game.
 
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But all of that is why everyone understands that when someone asks, "Is there NTR?", what they are asking is, "Do the chicks bang other dudes?"
No. Stop overgeneralizing. I generally don't like netorare, though I think it can (rarely) be done well. I also subscribe to the definition, "If no one feels like shit, it isn't NTR." Swinging, open sex friends, serial monogamy, poly situations, all fine as long as everyone is happy and consenting.

If someone asks if there's NTR, they should know how NTR is defined here, otherwise they should be asking for what they actually want to know.
 

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The whole NTR issue seems kind of absurd.

Why can't devs figure out that they need to make content with other people diddling your LIs OPTIONAL. If the title of your game is like 'Bitch boy gets cucked 365 days a year' then maybe not but aside from the few cases where the entire game is very clearly built around NTR, it should be optional as fuck. Stop splitting hairs it's really simple; any LI having any sexual contact without someone who is not the MC, should be optional/avoidable.

Then again this same dev doesn't seem to grasp that a huge % of folks will be massively turned off by being forced to interact with a transgender LI so don't hold your breath. My guess is forced NTR is coming. Maybe after the next complete rebuild of the game into a new engine/platform =P
 

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Look, we all know, including you, that whenever someone comes into a thread and asks "Is there any NTR?" what they are asking is "Do the chicks do sexy stuff with other characters besides the main character?".

If you know what someone is asking, but then try to answer it in a different way based on how you want to argue the words they use are defined, that is literally the definition of quibbling.

And, since we are quibbling, Sharing and Swinging are also not all inclusive for the tag of LIs doing sex stuff with people who aren't the MC either. Because if you want to go strictly by the definition, those are acts that cover very specific things too. Not 'my MCs dick only', but instances where couples choose to swap with other couples or bring others as sexual partners into their relationship.

That does not cover cases where:

-The MC is in a casual sex friend relationship (or even just had a casual hookup) with the LI but the LI still has sex and romantic relationships with other characters.
-The MC is trying to get in a relationship with a LI who is sexually active with other characters.

Just a couple quick examples that aren't covered by that tag, but there are more, of course. A problem with the current tag system is that there is NOT a tag for "LIs do sex stuff with people besides the MC". So the NTR tag has been coopted for that purpose by a majority of the people who use this forum. This creates problems for people that actually do want hard NTR (or are only specifically trying to avoid just hard NTR), as not just games with hard NTR get the tag. So they find the tag less useful.

But all of that is why everyone understands that when someone asks, "Is there NTR?", what they are asking is, "Do the chicks bang other dudes?"

And I also understand why devs would want to avoid that tag, as there are a lot of people who filter games based on that tag and they want to avoid people filtering their games as much as possible. But I am in favor of just answering people's questions and going with the flow of forum culture and jargon rather than fighting it. So when someone asks if the chicks do sex stuff with other characters, I'll tell them yes if that is in the game.
Trample porn is in the BDSM genre. That doesn't mean you can call all BDSM content Trample Porn. But that's what you're doing with NTR and Sharing. There are people that like the guillt and shame that is intentionally highlighted in Netorare. When Dunning-Kreugars like yourself start demanding that this and that be labeled NTR when there is none of the emotional content that actual NTR fans enjoy, your effectively making that tag meaningless to them. And as it is the flat out name of thier preferred genre, I'm pretty sure it's the fans of Netorare that determine what is and is not NTR, not a bunch of mouth-breathers that are too dim to know the difference.
 

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Tht being said. There's no NTR in my games because I traded my emotional writing skills in for a lifetime supply of fart jokes.
Pretty sure having to encourage/facilitate Becky screwing around with Jay in order to progress her AT so you can eventually bang her is already NTR lmao... but OK sure.
 
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Pretty sure having to encourage/facilitate Becky screwing around with Jay in order to progress her AT so you can eventually bang her is already NTR lmao... but OK sure.
Is there a bunch of dialogue or internal monologueing about the guilt and shame involved, because if not, then it's not NTR. That's just Sharing, or Swinging or whatever else you want to call it. The guilt and shame bit is REQUIRED for something to be NTR. You may be under the impression that NTR means something it doesn't as are a lot of people on this site, but collectively being wrong doesn't make you less wrong.
 
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Is there a bunch of dialogue or internal monologueing about the guilt and shame involved, because if not, then it's not NTR. That's just Sharing, or Swinging or whatever else you want to call it. The guilt and shame bit is REQUIRED for something to be NTR. You may be under the impression that NTR means something it doesn't as are a lot of people on this site, but collectively being wrong doesn't make you less wrong.
I don't see a sharing or swinging tag on the game either.
 

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So how many Becky events are there in at the party with latest AT (5 stars)

Threesome with becky/jay/mc (joint plus pink with jay and becky)
Becky weeniecoochierubadubdub (pink pills)
Becky skullfuck (red pills)
Becky nada (bluepills)
Becky blowjob (joint)

Pretty sure there is sex scene but haven't figured out that combo.
 

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So how many Becky events are there in at the party with latest AT (5 stars)

Threesome with becky/jay/mc (joint plus pink with jay and becky)
Becky weeniecoochierubadubdub (pink pills)
Becky skullfuck (red pills)
Becky nada (bluepills)
Becky blowjob (joint)

Pretty sure there is sex scene but haven't figured out that combo.
Try holding onto a favor from becky until Friday. ;)
 
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