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blblblblb

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I swear there was a time in between where I had figured out how to play the game, but then forgot and now it's equally as hard to get specific outcomes. Also, you NEED to cheat so you need to know which parameters to exactly cheat to get the desired outcome.
imo, if you have to cheat in any game to enjoy it, the game have an iissue, or you have, but i this case i think it's the game for sure , ot it might just be the creatorof this gameplay being too smart for us idk^^
 
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allanl9020142

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Nice! An update! Also, damn. I never finished writing out my personal guide for last one. But I'm so curious about the advanced starts ... decisions, decisions.
 

allanl9020142

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Man this is confusing.....

Are people usually using the transient topics with characters in conversation early game, or consuming them to get self XP?


Also, mechanically, the space bar functioned as a skip for those "confirm" screens early on, now it does nothing?
For the most part you're going to be using the transient topics in conversation. Only few things I usually purposely farm early game in order to burn for xp are immoral topics and maybe psych. Because they're just not going to be that useful as topics until later on but they're some of the ones that take the longest to max out. (before the new advanced starts update that is)

What I do is try to change the characters in a certain order during the early game that sets me up for the next character at the same time while also leveling up the important stuff that expands inventory, etc. It can get kind of "intricate" to say the least but it's fun for me.

Not sure about the space bar thing. Maybe it was just because it was the prologue or something. Can't remember. Haven't had time to play in a while.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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Well, the first 45 minutes were quite enjoyable - but then as someone on this thread posted similarly - it really turns into a slog after that.

I appreciate the comment - and figured out how to effectively use topics... some of my actions even differed from the walkthrough; like I used the topic you get from fudging cleaning for Gina t2 stealth.....

Just seems SO grindy though - if an average conversation is yielding ~7 xp, that's 14 conversations per attribute per trait. Sure, I can start to see how many of them are shared during the later progressions; still..... seems like a fun idea in practice that greatly needs some gameflow optimization.

Baal7734 , why did you put a stacking penalty on multiple items/topic attribute increases per conversation? It's not like the price of consumables is reduced when buying multiples. (e.g. 1 fitness mag will yield 6pts, 2 will yield 10, and 3 12pts). If i'm understanding the scoring correctly, this just incentivizes more separate conversations - which eventually kills player engagement, at least this player; just saved and quit after awhile...
 
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DragonFire

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How do you get Tilly to queen Bee? It says Wednesday night in your room but nothing is happening?
Are You sure You have all the needed stuff at their numbers? She has to be dominating value 30+ if I recall, for me she was in Minus.. as in sub instead of dom, so I used cheat to change that.. otherwise would had to slow grind her state from -95 to +30 :p

When all needed values are as mouse over indecate, she should call when you are in your room at 22:00 Wednesday I think it was..
 
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Brighteyes1982

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Are You sure You have all the needed stuff at their numbers? She has to be dominating value 30+ if I recall, for me she was in Minus.. as in sub instead of dom, so I used cheat to change that.. otherwise would had to slow grind her state from -95 to +30 :p

When all needed values are as mouse over indecate, she should call when you are in your room at 22:00 Wednesday I think it was..
Thanks, how do you see her current assertiveness?
 

DragonFire

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Thanks, how do you see her current assertiveness?
click c, then click her name to see her profile, upper middle is her states, like Lust etc.. last value listed is the one you need.
If there is no value of that kind, then maybe you haven't influenced her in any direction.. not sure if that's how it works, but would be logic if it's missing for ya..?

Cheat mod from OP is for 10, not 11. There is an updated Cheat Mod, mentioned where ceveral times the past days, just search or scroll back in this forum thread ;)

Edit: Did the work for ya in case ya would about it, so here is where the Updated Cheat mod can be found:

https://f95zone.to/threads/loser-v0-11-00-night-city-productions.34576/post-12177551
 
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spamblah

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Maybe its just me. But I hate how much this game wants me to memorize. Just tell me if the action is net positive or negative. I get you spent a lot of time developing unique personalities. Just give me the gist and move on. When the conversation mini game starts I should be reminded of their personalities again on the same screen. If you want to put this ability behind a skill, Im fine with that. At the very least I should be able to get to the character screen in the mini game.

Im pretty lazy when it comes to games that are extremely grindy as is. The cheat mod looks too involved for me to install on linux. Maybe its not a virus, but I dont like adding repositories.
 
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zweistein

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I don't know why, but if I click anywhere, I always stay in the room, even if I choose to be somewhere outside....
 

bomj

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The mind numbing repetition and effort vs reward of this game is ridiculous. Just figuring out the process to progress with each character takes longer on it's own than completing 99% of other games. Then after you figure it out you have to do the same thing 1000x and progress the time over and over and over and over until you reach the next "puzzle" and repeat 1000x again. Some archetypes have absolutely no content after you spent hours unlocking them. I felt like I was doing some sort of excel spreadsheet office job trying to figure everything out in this game. I will give it up for the images being pretty good quality as a positive for the game.
 

Curtwine

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Since the update it seems like the party on Friday night is bugged. I kept doing activities and it showed time was passing for each one, but the party never ended - usually it ends about midnight I think, but this time, it seemed to have some sort of infinite time loop - time just kept passing all through Saturday with no end to the party.
 

Darth Vengeant

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If you like to set doing the same boring grindy things over and over and over and over this is the game for you. This is a prime example of devs not understanding that a game is supposed to be FUN.
 

maladroit

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Okay it's June 2024 and I'm revisiting this now on an Apple Silicon M2 Macbook. A while ago I posted some notes on getting the BepInEx cheat mod to work on Mac. Probably no one else cares enough to try to make this work on an M2 Mac but because I'm an idiot with nothing better to do, here's some notes on what I did to get it running. (The short complicated version is, you have to trick BepInEx into running in x64 mode with Rosetta. If you don't know what that means, that's fine, I don't either, but the steps below should work.)

0. Before you start, get the 0.11.00 game version. Launch it and clear the quarantine flag like you normally do for Mac apps (i.e., hold Option, right click, choose Open). Once you've verified it's working, exit the game, put it in a folder somewhere if it's not already, and continue the steps below.

1. grab the latest BepInEx for MacOS x64 from .
2. extract those files into the 0.11.00 Loser.app folder. That should give you a BepInEx folder and a couple other files including one called run_bepinex.sh.
3. open run_bepinex.sh in a text editor and make the following edits:
3a. update line 15 to point at your Loser.app, it should look about like this:
Code:
     executable_name="Loser_v0.11.00_MacOS.app"
3b. update line 273, the last line, to add a '#', so it looks like this:
Code:
     # exec "$executable_path" $rest_args
3c. go and grab that paragraph of code, the one that starts with current_path=$(pwd), and paste it into the bottom of your bepinex.sh file, right below the line you just edited
4. save the bepinex.sh file
5. open a Terminal window, navigate to the Loser folder, and make the script executable like this:
Code:
     chmod +x run_bepinex.sh
6. depending on your setup, you may also need to un-quarantine one of the files the script is going to run. This should do it:
Code:
     xattr -rd com.apple.quarantine libdoorstop.dylib
(you can type the first part and then drag this file directly into the Terminal window to enter the full path, if that helps)
7. run the script from the Terminal like this:
Code:
     sh run_bepinex.sh
This should launch the game. You can immediately exit once you verify it launches, we're not quite done yet. (If it doesn't launch, something has gone wrong and I'm not sure what to tell you, sorry.)
8. grab the latest cheat mod from the bottom of this post. Unarchive it somewhere temporary, you only need one file from it.
9. find the LoserCheatMod.dll in the LoserCheatMod/BepInEx/plugins folder and copy it into your own Loser/BepInEx/plugins folder. You can delete the rest of the downloaded cheat mod files once you've done this.
10. launch the game again from the Terminal with sh run_bepinex.sh.

At this point you should be set. Once you've loaded a game or started a new one and gone through the intro, you should see 'Press X to open cheatmod' in the upper left of the game window, and pressing X should indeed open the cheatmod for you. You can find more info on using the cheatmod in that post linked above (step 7).

edit 2 July: added a new step 6 to clear the quarantine flag on the libdoorstop.dylib file
 
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DragonFire

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Since the update it seems like the party on Friday night is bugged. I kept doing activities and it showed time was passing for each one, but the party never ended - usually it ends about midnight I think, but this time, it seemed to have some sort of infinite time loop - time just kept passing all through Saturday with no end to the party.
I have the same thing.. I get a party end where MC and Girls go home, but afterwards they are all back at the party with no end time.

Install the Cheat Mod for game version 11, not the one from OP as that's still 10.. Updated 11 version has been linked many times during the past days, scroll back to it.

In said mod, is a function for MC to go to his room, this will end the party loop.

The silver lining about the party bug, as mod, is.. you can Transform Jay in one party instead of 3.. as the mod also makes it possible to turn back the clock without deleting progress already done.

However bugs are frustrating and should be fixed without the need of an external mod, am sure Baal will get around to that.
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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I have the same thing.. I get a party end where MC and Girls go home, but afterwards they are all back at the party with no end time.

Install the Cheat Mod for game version 11, not the one from OP as that's still 10.. Updated 11 version has been linked many times during the past days, scroll back to it.

In said mod, is a function for MC to go to his room, this will end the party loop.

The silver lining about the party bug, as mod, is.. you can Transform Jay in one party instead of 3.. as the mod also makes it possible to turn back the clock without deleting progress already done.

However bugs are frustrating and should be fixed without the need of an external mod, am sure Baal will get around to that.
Just to be clear, the bug regarding party will occur even without the presence of any cheat or mod program right?
 
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