Unity - Loser [v0.11.00] [Night City Productions]

Probably the most grinding game i've played, and yes, i quit a few times. Returned to it (becouse i was bored) and persevered (and cheated aswell ) and was rewarded with the most intuitive characters, it felt great, you can mold their personality and it feels very rewarding when you finally accomplish something. I cannot recommend this enough! (with cheats)

A rather interesting take on the family corruption sub-genre that is so popular on this site. You'll see many of the reviews below me lamenting the dreaded "grind," which isn't that bad in my opinion, due to the fact that unlike so many other "games" on this site Loser actually has some gaming mechanics to contend with. If you're looking for another run of the mill ren'py VN with no gameplay then this is not the game for you, If you think that you have the patience to actually play a h-game with gameplay then give it a try.

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Interesting Idea and Gameplay
well developed Steps of Corruption
average Renderings
enogh Contents

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Grind is Out of the line (but you could make it ... or maybe not )
Sandbox gameplay but Limited style of contents
{(Interaction = Grind ) >>> (Story progression = only Contents) }
No Prologue (Background of story&character)

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Anyway it is definitely Hot and Fun game. but beware ! Grind >>> Hot,Fun

The story and such are interesting. The grind is a little outrageous?

I'm going to imagine when the dev play tests this game he plays a version with everything toned down by a factor of 100 than this for their testing and then for release day divides the skill requirements by 100 for players to actually do.

Let's say you need 600xp in the incest skill. First you have to grind porn to 100xp at probably 3 experience points per times you watch the porn game, so you have to click mindlessly about 300 times to get porn to level up. Next up incest skill, do the porn thing but 6 times as much, so 1800 clicks for those two skills, with little pauses and such in between just to make sure you aren't uh, ... idk? Just, keep clicking and seeing the same thing 300 times.

Next up, raising a skill like stealth that you can only level up two or three times a day, so you calculate the math to sleep / fast forward time to get the stealth skill up for 3xp, do that about 300 times for about 2400 clicks...

Then the conversation mechanics, you use rng to gain conversation points for "sim" conversations, in which you gain 2-3xp for each of those, so maybe a few 3k clicks per conversation skill with the women? If I'm being conservative?

?!?!

all while getting no new dialog for any of that. It's like... idk. If the great video game like Celeste was released and made you jump in place 2000 times before you could move to the next screen it'd be a great analogy for the flow of this game. It's like does the dev even playtest it? It reminds me of making games and feeling envious that players only play for a fraction of the time that it takes to develop games.

The few scenes are interesting but ... what the fuck O_O? lol. I'm interested if people actually went through that or discovered how to use cheat engine because the numbers are just so very not fun to do.

The scenes are worth cheating to get to but I can't imagine the time commitment to working through the game's mechanics to do it.

So good job to the dev for the sexy content but the game mechanics are broken!

To put it simple, i would most likely raise this to 5 if following stuff were to be added.


1 the hard mode aka the daily grind/upkeep would be bear-able example clean livingroom every 1-2 day?.. if cleaning a certain room doesn happen losing favor atleast with the mom become's normal, eating family dinner in a non-clean kitchen enough by the mc well that doesn happen.

2 being able to interact with the female's a lot more often than once a day at most maybe 2?

3 a way to earn money early on for all 3 starting choices because
asking family members for money untill say streaming or the like
and with streaming you need to do drug dealing or something with drugs beforehand someone said.. i am like wtf??? and even if it doesn need
that it still says streaming last option not 1 option..


4 Maybe an in game guide place one can look or in the introduction a note to what to choose to pursue in arch types to unlock things or atleast a mention of you can have everything just something u know?..

5 maybe start with more than 10$ also while you are at it?

6 I like the characters, the renders, the system in general but the grind is fcking amazing new level of annoying.. the chance to get good stuff well
i don't see a way to raise luck so a luck stat would been a nice add...

7 Also if i choose lazy life style i get negative parts in lazy lifestyle
but there is no way to improve this to remove the negative unless i missed something? if anything i seems to recall it gets worse the higher level of laziness the char gets.. same on the opposite so that would be nice to
have a way to upgrade the char=remove negative parts but keeping positive..

I have to say this before my review. I have been waiting a game like this with themes I like, for ages. MC slowly corrupts people behaviour, shapes them his (many)likings and bang them. Plus when you change characters behaviours, their daily routine and appearances changes too.

**I wanted to say little bit more but my review already became wall of letters, so I put them in spoilers.



Loser is a good game with promising future. Despite of headaches I got from grind it was worth it for me and it is the grind why I am not giving it 5 star. There are other negative things I mentioned above but all these things can be fixed and adjusted as game grows. I can't imagine how good it will look when its completed.

A grind-fest like I never saw before. Played for 30 + hours and never saw a single scene. The definition of games is to entertain pplz for an amount of time, not to irritate players. There are people who work and can't spend more than 1 or 2 hours daily on a game. This is really frustrating. Good potential, but this grind is way too discouraging. Deleted.

There's a lot of cool ideas here, but there's mostly just insane grind. There's a crazy amount of topics to train up on both yourself and the various girls which award anywhere from 2 - 9 points at best. It takes time to even be able to train the right skills on the girls. For yourself, you have three tiers for each skill; some 100/200/300, some 100/200/400 or even 600.

I'll only mention story now to say that there isn't one. At all. The point of this 'game' is to grind points so you can change the girls' arch-types. Maybe that'll change in future, but for now that's it.

Additionally, you're half-tethered to your room for a lot. For example, you're doing something at the bar, but you need to change or re-load what's in your actionable inventory, but to do that you have to click several times and move to your room, do your thing, then click all the way back. Super annoying.

Hours upon hours of grinding for very little reward. Hours of mindlessly clicking around your screen for +2 xp in humor, +1 xp in stealth, +3 xp in video games. 15-20 skills that you need to grind up into the hundreds. And after you've done all that, there are very few scenes with very limited sexual content and very average renders.

Of all the grind fests on this site, this one might actually be the worst. I have no idea why it has so many people running defense for it and so many high reviews, but you can safely ignore everyone saying "It's just a slow build up, it's not handed to you like every other game" bla bla bla. You can create a build up through dialogue and scenes. This monstrosity is just objectively bad and lazy design.

Great game amazing 3D rendering and i have not encountered any bug or glitches so far, even tho there is kinda no story to this i still understood the MC situation. The game is grindy as heck its unbelievable !!!

While the 3d renderings are not bad, the game is ultimately a 1/5 simply due to the ridiculous amount of grind. There is no story or anything really, so the game is basically simply down to grinding conversations 100s of times to get enough exp to promote ONE character to a higher "tier", only to do it again several times.

short quick rating
1. Unique game play
2. A bit grindy
3. High quality rendering


> You either love it or hate it since the game play itself is just UNIQUE but once you are into it you can't get out of this game . For me it's the best one so far.
Definitely recommend to give it a shot for who haven't played this one yet

one of the best ones i have played. the satisfaction after so much grind is amazing. characters are changing behaviours clothes etc. through coruption level. feel so organic and rewarding. definitely recommended.

The content is great, the writing is entertaining, the concept is original, but as of writing the review (v0.04.07) the grindiness is absolute MURDER. Some characters (most notably Becky) have only one or two windows each day to interact, and needing to keep up Focus and Stamina means only incremental progress can be made each day. If a character needs to take two traits from zero or near-zero to 100% to move up AT, and realistically only one can be improved at a time in order to make sure conversations end positive, and you can (optimistically) get 10 points to a skill per interaction, that's 20 interactions. For a character like Becky with only one interaction slot per day, that's almost three weeks of game time for a single AT advancement. You might be able to parallel process and advance another character at the same time, but all the necessary upkeep on Focus/Stamina/Health, chores, doing whatever actions are needed to get the conversation topics necessary ... if it werent' for the possibility of using Cheat Engine to streamline the process a BIT, the game would be nigh-unplayable. I hate to say that, because I really want to like this game, but I had to cheat to get through it and that's the only reason I was able to go as high as 3 stars. It's early days, so I have hope, but there is a LOT of work to be done on QoL. Grinding isn't gameplay, it's just work, and that's not why I play games.

This game is a bit grindy. But it’s a game that pays off as you go. It’s not just a quick fap game, it’s one that has quality characters and a genuinely fun experience that has a certain rewarding feeling when you make it to the scenes you were trying for. A+ work

This game is really grindy - but in its own special way.

You make your progress through this game with conversations. Therefore you need topics to talk about, which are generated by conversations and a lot of activities.
By choosing specific topics, you can slowly transform the persons, you are talking to. But they all got different interests and some topics they don´t want to talk about at all. So you have to think and plan, how you get them to talk about the things you want.

With every conversation and activity you also gain xp for your own related skills, giving you more possibilities and activities.
Most of the skills are hidden at the beginning and revealed by gaining some related xp.
And the number of skills is already huge. At some point, I couldn´t believe I was unlocking new ones again.

Usually i hate grindy games, but with every new discovered topic and skill this game just makes me more curious, what it will offer.
So I´m talking and doing stuff and talking and doing stuff and - oh it´s 4am...
I´m officially addicted.

This game is f..king great
+Realistic incest content
+Has good game dynamics
+Interesting characters and looks
+Developer is f...king workholic (he should sleep more though :b we need him )
+Developer is actively answering questions.


-Maybe only negative thing: (i somewhat love and hate) grind is real. If you don't like grind, use cheat. To find it how to do it; use thread search button. In this games threads there are very good people who are willing to help (i love'em) , just don't ask already asked questions !!

Way, way, WAY too grindy and it's going this way with too many games. Devs that can't be arsed putting the work in so they make it as grindy as possible so they don't have to do as much work. This is not smart game design and the dev will get just as bored with the game as we do.

All the things you want in a porn game. Grinds a bit frustrating but rewards damn cant wait to see all the stuff the dev adds, for me this is waaay more preferable system than superpowered. As long as the dev keeps this pace and doesnt go meek on content and keeps adding varieties to subterfuge its great.

This review is based on version 0.04.02

The only reason im spending time reviweing this game, is because i wished this game was good. In fact there is a good game somewhere in here, but is burried under alot of terrible gameplay decisions, especially the absurd amout of grind.

Time for The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

The good:
- Original game design. (Game design is based in stats management and evolving the girls by increasing certain stats. I liked the complexity and found it original compared to other super linear games out there. Evolving a girl to a new ArchType, changes her behaviour, unlocking some new things to do and also changes her previous routine schedule, which can lead to some surprises and keeps the game fresh)
- Cast. (Thers a good and varied cast of characetrs with diferent personalities)
- Renders (The renders are well done, and some of the girls are beautifull)

The Bad:
- UI or User Interface. (Its bad and all over the place. Many basic things are hidden under sub menus that need extra clicks. Save slots dont mention any reference to date or time, so while the developer added 3 save slots in this latest update, thers no way to know where they lead , unless you memorized them.)

- Picking up topics to talk to girls ( Ok, what the hell the dev was thinking? The only way to see what conversation topics u have ready to talk is to go to your room/bathroom, open your inventory, and see what topics are in the hotbar. If you start a conversation with a girl, thers no way to access your inventory to pick a topic. You need to go back to your room/bathroom, pick the topics u want to talk about, and go back to the girl. Imagine a guy that everytime he stands in front of a girl, he has nothing to say, so he needs to go to a bathroom or bedroom, to gather his toughts, then go back to talk to the girl, this is how the developer tought was a good idea. The amount of clicks and wasted time to do this is ridiculous)

- Very few animations (There are like 5 animations in the entire game so far, and they could be better)

- Grind (while this game is based on raising stats, the amout of exp you gain to raise each stat is very little, and the game requires an obscene amount of grinding in order to advance.)

- Evolved girls forget previous raised skills ( Imagine spending hours to teach a girl about photography, and then when she evolves to a new AT or ArchType, she completly forgets about it. Adding the massive grind needed to raise stats, its like rubbing salt in a wound)

The Ugly:
- The Developer. He's eather sadistic that loves see us in pain, or he just loves that grind.

With some QoL (Quality of Life) improvements that i mention in The Bad section, this game would be an easy 8 out of 10, but it is what it is soo...

Final Score: 4/10 (and just because im rewarding creativity)