VN Ren'Py Abandoned Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

[El bacca Del Chew]

This guy just post about this every corner of this site

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[ShadowManNor]

XD Flames about NTR are so common that I can start quote myself instead writing a new post. Handy

Funny thing about that is I still remember when you made that post. But I still believe you had to deal with two flame wars on that subject today.

 

[Shardoom]

Yeah, I really don't mean to insult anybody with my posts or make the anti-NTR brigade feel bad for their preferences or how they feel. I mean it seems a little weird to me when you get really angry when a virtual guy even as much as looks at a virtual girl you feel attached too and it makes me wonder if they are also that jealous in their real relationships with women (if they have (had) any) but that's none of my business. It is just that it's really annoying to read over and over again in so many topics these reactions of dudes who act really angry when the MC's love-interests have interactions with other males or when they keep bashing the NTR-genre and repeat their angry bullshit complains into oblivion. Again it is fine to dislike something but that does not mean it is okay to constantly bash it everywhere, especially when there are others present who do happen to like the thing you are bashing. So I just hope some of them will read a post like this one and understand how annoying and frustrating their constant negative remarks about NTR and not-NTR can be and they will change their ways. I mean it seems unlikely but one can hope right? It would surely make of F95zone a nicer place if we could all accept each others preferences without kink-shaming or bashing

You realise though on the flip-side, there are some people that absolutely hate the sharing/cuck/ntr stuff. Hate it to the point that they actively try to avoid it. How do you think they feel when they are the same few people trying to wedge this type of gameplay (it's more than just a fetish like anal/boobjob etc it fundamentally changed a games style and tone) into EVERY game that gets released. Or constantly big devs to add a 'challenge' (someone to lose to)...


And I'd say the 'shoehorning' takes place far more often. The anti-ntr debates usually come about in retaliation. Then they play victim and try for sympathy. :s

 

[Mwanted]

You realise though on the flip-side, there are some people that absolutely hate the sharing/cuck/ntr stuff.

I hate bestiality, BUT the difference is that I don't go spamming forums about that or spamming creators to NOT include it in their games or CUT it from their games.
Seriously, people are f* tired of seeing your spam\hate\whatever.

Yeah, I really don't mean to insult anybody with my posts or make the anti-NTR brigade feel bad for their preferences or how they feel. I mean it seems a little weird to me when you get really angry when a virtual guy even as much as looks at a virtual girl you feel attached too and it makes me wonder if they are also that jealous in their real relationships with women (if they have (had) any) but that's none of my business. It is just that it's really annoying to read over and over again in so many topics these reactions of dudes who act really angry when the MC's love-interests have interactions with other males or when they keep bashing the NTR-genre and repeat their angry bullshit complains into oblivion. Again it is fine to dislike something but that does not mean it is okay to constantly bash it everywhere, especially when there are others present who do happen to like the thing you are bashing. So I just hope some of them will read a post like this one and understand how annoying and frustrating their constant negative remarks about NTR and not-NTR can be and they will change their ways. I mean it seems unlikely but one can hope right? It would surely make of F95zone a nicer place if we could all accept each others preferences without kink-shaming or bashing

yeah

 

[ShadowManNor]

You realise though on the flip-side, there are some people that absolutely hate

it to such a level that they cant talk about it without using derogatory terms about those who like it? Im sure people would care a lot more about there feelings if they seemed capable of treating those they disagree with as human beings instead of just using slurs. When the NTR bomb goes of, it always feel like its the satanic panic or someone are going to tell me what is allowed to like or be in a game. Not have a reasonable discussion about their preferences. Im sure people would not mind it as much if it was more like that.

 

[Aprilsun]

Please let's not start this again guys.

 

[Shardoom]

it to such a level that they cant talk about it without using derogatory terms about those who like it? Im sure people would care a lot more about there feelings if they seemed capable of treating those they disagree with as human beings instead of just using slurs. When the NTR bomb goes of, it always feel like its the satanic panic or someone are going to tell me what is allowed to like or be in a game. Not have a reasonable discussion about their preferences. Im sure people would not mind it as much if it was more like that.

Look back over the last few pages, you'll see plenty or slurs about the anti-ntr people...

 

[Shardoom]

Please let's not start this again guys.

To be fair they never stopped. I just got tired of seeing the BS and not replying.

 

[Mwanted]

@veqvil
One question: since you seem to understand what NTR really means (and the irony is that in its real definition I don't even like it), I'm curious if there will be parts of the game where the female characters will have interests other that the MC (the interesting thing would be the MC himself plotting it )

 

[Aprilsun]

@veqvil
One question: since you seem to understand what NTR really means (and the irony is that in its real definition I don't even like it), I'm curious if there will be parts of the game where the female characters will have interests other that the MC (the interesting thing would be the MC himself plotting it )

veqvil has stated that you (the MC) would be able to allow male npcs to show interest and engage romanticly with the female chars. But only if you allow it!!!.

 

[Ignazzio]

@veqvil
One question: since you seem to understand what NTR really means (and the irony is that in its real definition I don't even like it), I'm curious if there will be parts of the game where the female characters will have interests other that the MC (the interesting thing would be the MC himself plotting it )

Since mom already can blow her date, we can encourage her and him, encourage Becky's brother to go after our sister it's pretty much confirmed. It's not NTR for sure but I still really like it. And it will be pointed out by some individuals as NTR as we can see already. I love choices that matter and non-linear structure giving some doze of realism into game.

 

[n0b0dy]

You realise though on the flip-side, there are some people that absolutely hate the sharing/cuck/ntr stuff.

Of course I do realize this, those are the people I'm referring to as the "anti-NTR brigade" in my post. Like I said it is fine to dislike those thing but it is not okay at all to express this hatred in the threads that have NTR or sharing elements. I dislike dance-music and if I hope you understand if I would go to a dance-section of a music forum and express all the things I dislike about this genre of music I would act like a dick since the music clearly was never meant for me. It works really the same way with NTR and sharing, the threads of the games that (potentially) have those elements are not a good place to express your dislikement of those genres. The developers do not make the games just for you and you have no right to complain about elements in games when it is clear they were never meant to appeal to you. Thinking every game-developer should make their games appeal to you personally is incredible arrogant and ignorant. Spreading your toxic hatred about NTR in those topics is not going to do anything than piss people off. Please just accept the game is not for you and move on.

How do you think they feel when they are the same few people trying to wedge this type of gameplay (it's more than just a fetish like anal/boobjob etc it fundamentally changed a games style and tone) into EVERY game that gets released.

Most games are still boring harem generators (my opinion) where the girls only long for the cock of the MC and when I accidentally stumble on the treads of those games I never find anybody trying to change them into NTR-games. However when I go to a topic where there is even a hint of other male presence there are almost always multiple people who are complaining very vocally about it in a aggressive and unpleasant manner. If you dislike NTR-sharing just avoid playing games who (might) have those elements. Again they are not made for you but that does not mean those games and those elements do not have value to others.

And I'd say the 'shoehorning' takes place far more often. The anti-ntr debates usually come about in retaliation. Then they play victim and try for sympathy. :s

I can only say when I see the "debate" about NTR lighting up anywhere it always starts with people bitching about NTR and calling others "cucks" not the other way around. Also there is a difference in sharing your fondness about NTR and sharing-content in a topic of a game that has this kind of content and sharing your hatred of these topics in that thread. Like it is okay to share your enjoyment about dance-music in a topic about it, it is not okay to share your hatred about it in that topic.

I really hope you understand what I am trying to say. Please try to tolerate others people preferences as best as you can. By complaining about NTR and sharing-content the way you do you make this forum a lesser enjoyable place for all of us. I understand these genres evoke strong negative emotions in you, dance music evokes strong negative emotions in me. I make sure I only share those when the time is right to not spread toxicity into the world and I know if you try you can do the same with NTR. Thank you!

 

[Mwanted]

Since mom already can blow her date, we can encourage her and him, encourage Becky's brother to go after our sister it's pretty much confirmed. It's not NTR for sure but I still really like it. It's not NTR for sure but I still really like it.

Nice, then I'm really interested in the game (and in supporting it)

I love choices that matter and non-linear structure giving some doze of realism into game.

The same for me, all the high quality games I know of have a lot of the "choices and consequences" structure that we are accustomed to see and like in RPGs. EvAKiss of GGGB is a master of that art, but I see more and more games including it. I hope it will be the same for LaS.
PS: and the reason is that the games where the only thing we see is the MC f* everyone and everything are soo boooringgg

 

[bottomfeeder]

WTF is this???

More children crying about NTR? I swear, whoever has the key to that safe space sucks at keeping it locked. How are these kids going to cope with real life if they get mad at what's happening with virtual characters? :closedeyesmile::closedeyesmile::closedeyesmile:

 

[Shardoom]

I invite any moderator to read back a few pages to see what has actually been going on here.

There was a brief heated discussion about NTR, dev came on and cleared everything up but, the ntr-lovers just couldn't help themselves. Had to carry on with their non-ntr lovers bashing, flame baiting, name calling and general rudeness.

I can see clearly now that this is going to go nowhere, (well I could a few pages ago) so I'm just gonna stop. I'll see @veqvil on his patreon page maybe if I like how he progresses the game. Otherwise, well, have fun everyone.

 

[Nessa]

New game to me, ill give it a try

 

[GrandJury]

I invite any moderator to read back a few pages to see what has actually been going on here.

There was a brief heated discussion about NTR, dev came on and cleared everything up but, the ntr-lovers just couldn't help themselves. Had to carry on with their non-ntr lovers bashing, flame baiting, name calling and general rudeness.

I can see clearly now that this is going to go nowhere, (well I could a few pages ago) so I'm just gonna stop. I'll see viqvil on his patreon page maybe if I like how he progresses the game. Otherwise, well, have fun everyone.

I swear, it looks like one dude who like NTR made multiple accounts on this forum, and he beg/bully developers on every thread here from his multiple accounts, it looks ridiculous. Mods should start banning people who beg/bully devs with their desired fetishes. People, just let those devs to create games they have imagined in their heads.

 

[n0b0dy]

I invite any moderator to read back a few pages to see what has actually been going on here.

There was a brief heated discussion about NTR, dev came on and cleared everything up but, the ntr-lovers just couldn't help themselves. Had to carry on with their non-ntr lovers bashing, flame baiting, name calling and general rudeness.

I can see clearly now that this is going to go nowhere, (well I could a few pages ago) so I'm just gonna stop. I'll see viqvil on his patreon page maybe if I like how he progresses the game. Otherwise, well, have fun everyone.

Do you think it is okay to go to a forum dedicated to gay-porn and complain gay porn is disgusting and the makers should make hetero-porn instead ? Because you are doing exactly the same thing on many places on this forum. Don't act like a victim, you are the one who is acting like a toxic dick so instead of pointing your finger try taking a look in the mirror.

 

[wep]

::|: You cannot really avoid to start a flame every single time, can you?

Viqvil already explained clearly in the past that every single choice in the game will be optional and you NEVER be forced to do something against your will.

So do you like NTR? go for it.
Do you hate NTR? stop the other men in the game.

It is simple and effective. So STOP the flame baiting (I'm talking to both the factions). Probably it's better if you stop to talk about NTR at all, since you can't control yourself.

 

[Ignazzio]

Damn, I'm always hungry when @wep intervenes. Hope this cake doesn't have raisins.

Ontop: I just found about dildo in Amy's room. I'm traumatized by her lack of innocence