VN Ren'Py Abandoned Love and Submission [v0.08] [veqvil]

[veqvil]

@wep thank you! My hero !

Spoiler: Little mornin' thought about fans, genres, Cuphead and Picasso

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TL, DR: It's optional, so **** off.

To the creator: Great renders (if I do not count that dotting thing), branching of abilities makes me little worried about content being more time consuming for you, but maybe you sort it out somehow. Can't wait to see more

To every Picasso lover: „The chief enemy of creativity is 'good' sense.“ Pablo Picasso

Thank you for your feedback and giving this project a shot! I'm working on gettting rid of those grainy renders, so that the worst ones should be gone with 0.04.
The amount of content definitely will increase but I hope with better hardware and experience I will be able to compensate that.

I hope not to upset anyone by not replying to the comments of the earlier discussion, I understand and respect both sides and preferences. I'm also a big fan of the italian cuisine in terms of desserts, but even though I love you @wep and @UncleVT raisins are just fucking disgusting, I don't think I will be able to unsee this flaw ever again XD

 

[n0b0dy]

Ontop: I just found about dildo in Amy's room. I'm traumatized by her lack of innocence

Hmm, I mostly felt relieved to find out Veqvil decided she masturbates like a normal human being. I mean there are too many games where the girls are supposed to be 18+ but literally know nothing about sex and they have never explored their own body and that if you go for just a little realism that is very hard to justify as a writer. One the same note I thought it was a little bit weird she felt so ashamed about herself masturbating. Like is it not a accepted thing in western society? Has she never talked about that kind of stuff with friends? I wonder (well hope mostly) she is one of those people who just is extremely insecure and constantly criticizes herself in her own head.

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raisins are fucking disgusting

Yes they are! Thank you for speaking the truth! When I went trick-or-treating as a kid there were always some households that handed out little boxes of raisins. Raisins are not candy you sick psychopaths! How this is not punishable by death is beyond my grasp. erservingface:

I guess it cause NTR and incest harem is two of the biggest themes that are used, and they can be in a game together, which brings out the purist on both sides. When it comes to rape, which still can be put in both those themes, it ends up being used less extreme than what it could be (though mind control or she secretly like it or something like that) as few games want to show pain, and those that do tend to push away those who are not into the heavy things. But I was in a discussion yesterday if whether rape is ok in games/makes you a bad person for playing them. So it happens. And would probably happen more frequently with more popularity.

Yeah, people here are surprisingly chill about rape but there are always a few exceptions. I once saw a post on this forum from somebody who "hated rape" but his favorite game was dreams of desire (where you take away the personalities and the free will of those poor women and then rape them) :closedeyesmile:

Now if you would go to a topic where there is very hardcore painful rape like you say or guro (which is basically just an extension of rape IMO) involved there will probably be some there who will bash the fetish and those who enjoy these games and feel the need to diagnose them in all kind of ways. It is sad how judgmental some people still are on a porn forum but what else is new.

 

[Ignazzio]

Hmm, I mostly felt relieved to find out Veqvil decided she masturbates like a normal human being. I mean there are too many games where the girls are supposed to be 18+ but literally know nothing about sex and they have never explored their own body and that if you go for just a little realism that is very hard to justify as a writer. One the same note I thought it was a little bit weird she felt so ashamed about herself masturbating. Like is it not a accepted thing in western society? Has she never talked about that kind of stuff with friends? I wonder (well hope mostly) she is one of those people who just is extremely insecure and constantly criticizes herself in her own head.

It depends on her background but I assume it's mostly a trope of innocent younger sister. Masturbation is common and accepted by western society tho dildo isn't as common in many countries as it would seem. Still, it's just my personal preference to keep them untainted. I'm a bit of a virgin fetishist so I usually lose my interest in a game if there is none. It might be not very likely when it comes to the hotties nowadays but it's not like adult games are overly realistic. It's not like any dude would be able to seduce his hot sister so virgins aren't exactly that far from reality (I knew a couple of hot ones >20). Ofc DMD level of cluelesness is pretty damn unrealistic and unlikely

 

[Ted98]

Well done veqvil, if the NTR discussion comes up in your thread it means people really like your game and are truly commited to it. I don't really like seeing NTR either, but when a game is good and it makes sense in the script it doesn't bother me that much. Plus you can choose which route you are going to take which makes the game probably taking a bit longer to develop, but it gives more to the players as you feel more like you are in control.

The christmas special was also a nice present. I'm really looking forward to how the story about his dad will develop, my guess is the incestious dad and daughter have something to do with it.
So far this game has great potential and already a big fanbase so I hope you will be able to do with it what you had thought of.

Best of luck!

 

[n0b0dy]

It depends on her background but I assume it's mostly a trope of innocent younger sister. Masturbation is common and accepted by western society tho dildo isn't as common in many countries as it would seem. Still, it's just my personal preference to keep them untainted. I'm a bit of a virgin fetishist so I usually lose my interest in a game if there is none. It might be not very likely when it comes to the hotties nowadays but it's not like adult games are overly realistic. It's not like any dude would be able to seduce his hot sister so virgins aren't exactly that far from reality (I knew a couple of hot ones >20). Ofc DMD level of cluelesness is pretty damn unrealistic and unlikely

I do not mind when a game bends the rules of reality a bit to tell an interesting or fun story but for me it is always a shame when I perceive the characters as unbelievably dumb and can not really place their behavior as coming from a place of intelligence. 'Stupid' women are not attractive to me at all so I guess you could say I have an intelligence fetish
I don' t have the virgin fetish myself but I guess I sort of understand why people find it arousing to be the 'first one' for a girl and why they want them to be in the dark about sex. It is as far I can tell just hard to write a character in a way they are 'naive' and 'innocent' without making them a bit stupid also so that's probably why I don't like it. But thank you for sharing your perspective, I think I understand better now why creators choose to portray characters in that way!

 

[ShadowManNor]

Hmm, I mostly felt relieved to find out Veqvil decided she masturbates like a normal human being. I mean there are too many games where the girls are supposed to be 18+ but literally know nothing about sex and they have never explored their own body and that if you go for just a little realism that is very hard to justify as a writer. One the same note I thought it was a little bit weird she felt so ashamed about herself masturbating. Like is it not a accepted thing in western society? Has she never talked about that kind of stuff with friends? I wonder (well hope mostly) she is one of those people who just is extremely insecure and constantly criticizes herself in her own head.

It is refreshing to see that. As much as I like virgins they rarely tend to be well written in these games. It is just, she is young aka no sexual experience or she would never want to do anything sexual without the MC. And then its nothing more to it or fleshed out. It definitely can be pulled of, but it need to be fleshed out insted of an expected standard.

Spoiler: Spoiler for 0.3 as well as some thoughts on the character

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Not sure if this spoiler is needed now but since it is so many new people here I added it.

Yes they are! Thank you for speaking the truth! When I went trick-or-treating as a kid there were always some households that handed out little boxes of raisins. Raisins are not candy you sick psychopaths! How this is not punishable by death is beyond my grasp. erservingface:

Here I though NTR was going to be the flame war but it seems like raisins will be the real battleground. I guess those households just like to see people in pain. Now that some heavy sadism.

Yeah, people here are surprisingly chill about rape but there are always a few exceptions. I once saw a post on this forum from somebody who "hated rape" but his favorite game was dreams of desire (where you take away the personalities and the free will of those poor women and then rape them) :closedeyesmile:

Now if you would go to a topic where there is very hardcore painful rape like you say or guro (which is basically just an extension of rape IMO) involved there will probably be some there who will bash the fetish and those who enjoy these games and feel the need to diagnose them in all kind of ways. It is sad how judgmental some people still are on a porn forum but what else is new.

I guess there is rape and not really rape, rape. Kind of like how jumping on thing with Mario is not really killing. So people who enjoy mind control, blackmail or know that the victim secretly enjoy it ect, dont really see it as rape, and since the only consequence is that the victim might be a little mad at the MC or call the MC a pervert, before they enjoy it. So no harm done right?

There is always someone who have an opinion about what you do if it dosnt fall with the perceived normality of the majority. Whether it is your fantasy, what kind of sexual activity consenting adults do or your taste in music. If you are not like them, it must be something wrong with you and your kind, cause they cant be wrong.

 

[Ignazzio]

I do not mind when a game bends the rules of reality a bit to tell an interesting or fun story but for me it is always a shame when I perceive the characters as unbelievably dumb and can not really place their behavior as coming from a place of intelligence. 'Stupid' women are not attractive to me at all so I guess you could say I have an intelligence fetish
I don' t have the virgin fetish myself but I guess I sort of understand why people find it arousing to be the 'first one' for a girl and why they want them to be in the dark about sex. It is as far I can tell just hard to write a character in a way they are 'naive' and 'innocent' without making them a bit stupid also so that's probably why I don't like it. But thank you for sharing your perspective, I think I understand better now why creators choose to portray characters in that way!

Actually I hate it when personality is borderline mental like in DMD and I agree that lot of games have their innocent characters simply stupid. I guess I'm just more forgiving in this context I guess. As far as I know virgins tend to not use such a toys but they're rarely clueless about masturbation. Corruption fetish is always most visible on innocent, shy virgin so that's probably the reason for their behaviour since it's so popular. For me it's also connected with NTR fetish and sadism toward a guy, as for me it's always the most crushing moment in NTR games when he understands he wasn't the only one and his whole (usually) romantic nature is being raped by reality. But that's just me. Virgins are the most popular characters in porn games so I bet you can find a lot of different reasons

 

[n0b0dy]

It is refreshing to see that. As much as I like virgins they rarely tend to be well written in these games. It is just, she is young aka no sexual experience or she would never want to do anything sexual without the MC. And then its nothing more to it or fleshed out. It definitely can be pulled of, but it need to be fleshed out insted of an expected standard.

Spoiler: Spoiler for 0.3 as well as some thoughts on the character

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Not sure if this spoiler is needed now but since it is so many new people here I added it.

You are right on the money when you say it is really important those characteristics are being fleshed out by the developer. Nobody is just something for no reason, we are all shaped by our lives in all kinds of ways and all our behavior/experience has a deep foundation somewhere else. It could be really interesting and rewarding to get to see why Amy is the way she is. What has happened to her in the 18-ish years she spend on earth? What events have played a key part in her thinking/behavior? Where are the roots of her insecurities, how does she perceive herself, how does she perceive the world/others? What motivates her to get out of bed in the morning and why is she in love with the MC? The exploration of these things make the difference between a bland superficial character who only seems to exist to play a role in the life of the protag and a character with realness and depth and a life of her own that we as players can relate to and feel a connection with. Being able to relate to others is very import in movies/books/porn (maybe in porn most of all) and a good writer can make us connect even with the kind of people we would normally hate since they can show us deep down we are all not that different.

 

[Ted98]

You are right on the money when you say it is really important those characteristics are being fleshed out by the developer. Nobody is just something for no reason, we are all shaped by our lives in all kinds of ways and all our behavior/experience has a deep foundation somewhere else. It could be really interesting and rewarding to get to see why Amy is the way she is. What has happened to her in the 18-ish years she spend on earth? What events have played a key part in her thinking/behavior? Where are the roots of her insecurities, how does she perceive herself, how does she perceive the world/others? What motivates her to get out of bed in the morning and why is she in love with the MC? The exploration of these things make the difference between a bland superficial character who only seems to exist to play a role in the life of the protag and a character with realness and depth and a life of her own that we as players can relate to and feel a connection with. Being able to relate to others is very import in movies/books/porn (maybe in porn most of all) and a good writer can make us connect even with the kind of people we would normally hate since they can show us deep down we are all not that different.

I mostly agree on this. He'll probably go into the history of the mc and his father in the future of this game, so naturally also the family, because there is too big of a mystery not to, it's however impossible to learn everything about all the characters backgrounds since that would take too much time and we would spend more time in the past than in the present. For example, his (ex) gf's story doesn't need too much history anymore since everything already got cleared up.

 

[User_215882]

The ex gf doesnt really need much of a background story. All she should need is either a redemption route for love or a humilation/domination for submission. If theres going to be some background lore it should focus on the family.

 

[Ignazzio]

Since this game will have more open structure than typical VN I suspect we could use computer in our room and have some more detailed infos about characters there. Like a Pokedex

 

[User_215882]

I want to be the very best. Like no one ever was. To jizz on them is my real test. To traían them is my cause! Haram route. Got to fuck them allllllllll

 

[n0b0dy]

I mostly agree on this. He'll probably go into the history of the mc and his father in the future of this game, so naturally also the family, because there is to big of a mystery not to, it's however impossible to learn everything about all the characters backgrounds since that would take too much time and we would spend more time in the past than in the present. For example, his (ex) gf's story doesn't need too much history anymore since everything already got cleared up.

I do not mean veqvil should spend his time making all kinds of flashbacks. What I mean is the past lives on in the present. So it is only natural pieces of the past will unfold themselves during present events. Right now I feel like some of the characters in the game are a bit bland and do not really act in a natural way at least that's how I experience it. If veqvil would be able to make the past shine through more in the events and be better in shining some light on who they are on a deeper level than the surface I feel like that would really elevate the game. It is like when you are watching a movie with a bad actor you see the actor playing a certain role but when you watch a movie with a good actor you really forget the actor altogether and it is like he really has become the role he is playing. I would like to see the characters in adult games as real people, to forget they are just written and that can only happen when they are written as real people with a real history and realistic motivations so their behavior makes sense.

 

[Paprika]

This seems to be the aim of a certain few individuals yeah. They start spouting this cuck/ntr stuff to the devs early on in game dev of every game that gets posted around here...

Yeah, the ones who "confirmed" there's NTR planned in the game. Luckily this dev doesn't allow them to hijack his game and called this out early on.

 

[dunloprobert]

Yeah, the ones who "confirm" there's NTR planned in the game. Luckily this dev doesn't allow them to hijack his game and called this out early on.

am i to take it then that you have no problem with incest? or is that okay with you? because surely incest is more wrong than ntr and as such surely it needs to be condemned as much if not more than ntr?

 

[User_215882]

am i to take it then that you have no problem with incest? or is that okay with you? because surely incest is more wrong than ntr and as such surely it needs to be condemned as much if not more than ntr?

Dude enough NTR talk. The only acceptable debate topic as of right now is if raisins are shit or good. Raisins are awful and they try too hard to be like candy.

 

[Aprilsun]

am i to take it then that you have no problem with incest? or is that okay with you? because surely incest is more wrong than ntr and as such surely it needs to be condemned as much if not more than ntr?

Defending one fetish by attacking another fetish isn't really the way to go. And please stop this NTR rant.

 

[jdk22]

First time playing this game, and I love it already. The character model is well designed, especially Mom and Becky. And I really like games that have a bit of mystery in it. Can't wait to see more.

Since this game will have more open structure than typical VN I suspect we could use computer in our room and have some more detailed infos about characters there. Like a Pokedex

+1

 

[dunloprobert]

Dude enough NTR talk. The only acceptable debate topic as of right now is if raisins are shit or good. Raisins are awful and they try too hard to be like candy.

well the only raisins i like are the chocolate covered raisins.

 

[dunloprobert]

Defending one fetish by attacking another fetish isn't really the way to go. And please stop this NTR rant.

well why attack any fetish full stop? especially if it's optional!