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Point of this story is right in the beginning: you cannot enjoy sex as a premise but cut anyone out, especially the person you say you cherish the most - she never grabs MC and runs out/home/to the bathroom to fkk his brains out - this is the only outcome that would be consistent to her having practiced so much and havin reached any conclusion - that all the bulls are back again to rape her - because we did find out the parties were exactly what P.Diddler was doing to any girl, even his GF and/or wife (talk about consistency) who was coming to his parties as his guest: boozed up+mollied and gang raped by other guests/porn actors/employees Diddles brought in for the task. This is the mind-boggling inconsistency: she is again in that same spot, she never recovered, healed or let go, because she is back to being this free use slut and blaming the MC for everything - but MC is never there on her trips when she fkks everyone: poolboy, neighbor, former bulls, doorman, you name it, she fkks them without ever tellling MC - until the other girl arrives to actually letting MC know about it - this is the IRL connection - everyone knows who the town bycicle is, apart from her husband.
And this scene, goes all the way back to when Lacey explained why she left, why she screwed around... She was trying to get to the point where she enjoyed sex "normally" so sex with the MC would not be associated with any of her past trauma/abuse...
How can she even begn to enjoy sex normally when she is still doing it abnormally and with the same abnormal bulls?
 
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Anna was just waiting to pounce and MC simply cannot say no to Lacey (in the game is stated that it is out of fear of disappointing her in this case, which probably relates to the fear of losing her), so I think that yes, MC would have done it even without having to witness the trainwreck that was the Damian event.
Look, he even tries to seduce Veronica and suggest her to send pics even before the trip.
If I had to give a criticism, the player should have been able to avoid the Anna encounter like all the others.
Lacey and MC have a conversation in the kitchen, it's the same one where they decide to do the "jealousy" thing.
The MC says he only went through with the free pass because Lacey had done something hurtful...
And if he didn't go through with it, he would have resented Lacey even more...
If Lacey had not gone through with having sex with Damian, I do not believe the MC would have had sex with Anna, because he would have seen it as cheating, and unfair, for him to have sex with Anna, and Lacey didn't have sex with someone else as initially planned.

That same conversation also goes into why the MC is afraid, because if he's allowed to have sex with others, then it's only fair for Lacey to do so. The MC is all about "fair"... :LOL: And that's a big part of his issue. It's not fair to him for him to have "freedom" and not Lacey... Lacey explains, I don't need it. I can give you freedom while you (MC) control what I do, who I do it with, and how far I'm allowed to go...

All of that taken into account, no, I do not think he would have had sex with anyone if Lacey had not had sex with Damian.
And in not doing so, they would not have "moved forward" as quickly as they did in the story...
 

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We are sure of this because we are being told in very very very clear terms this is the case.
I can understand throwing the shadow of doubt on the many weird situations but this is clear cut.
Lacey is not a sex addict, she had addiction behaviour that ties in with low impulse control and looking for instant gratification.

Lacey is turned on by MC jealousy as she feels wanted and cared about, you could argue than many things that happened before have this reasoning as well but the last scene is exactly that.
You could say she didn't realize it and went ham with Damian exactly for that reason.

Lacey is turned on by the situation, she is turned on by MC looking at her, being there with her and being absolutely jealous about it, this is an absolute fact, one of the few we get in the game.

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This take is so far away from what is shown in the game that I am not even sure how to answer it.

I'll try, but I cannot argue againt headcanon with no relation of the events in the game:
  • Lacey is plenty slutty with MC in many occasions and actually initiated and proposes sex more than MC himself
  • While I agree the brain damage is blamed way more than it should, Lacey is absolutely convinced that is the case but saying that she is in the same spot as the college days is quite untrue, she knows that losing MC would be a disaster for her and she absolutely does not want to
  • Lacey did not have sex with any of the man you mention, I am not sure where you are getting this from, there might have been more groping than what MC realizes at Jared parties and in the Will scenario, but random sex? nah, even with my tinfoil hat on I cannot see it at all.
  • She doesn't enjoy sex "normally" she likes to be hurt by MC, she gets double fisted in one route, a bottle of wine in her ass, she is an absolute and shameless slut, but all of that is reserved for MC.
I am all for blaming Lacey for her mistakes, but I reallly don't get where all of this hate comes from.
This is not justice it is an inquisition! :ROFLMAO:

Lacey and MC have a conversation in the kitchen, it's the same one where they decide to do the "jealousy" thing.
The MC says he only went through with the free pass because Lacey had done something hurtful...
And if he didn't go through with it, he would have resented Lacey even more...
If Lacey had not gone through with having sex with Damian, I do not believe the MC would have had sex with Anna, because he would have seen it as cheating, and unfair, for him to have sex with Anna, and Lacey didn't have sex with someone else as initially planned.

That same conversation also goes into why the MC is afraid, because if he's allowed to have sex with others, then it's only fair for Lacey to do so. The MC is all about "fair"... :LOL: And that's a big part of his issue. It's not fair to him for him to have "freedom" and not Lacey... Lacey explains, I don't need it. I can give you freedom while you (MC) control what I do, who I do it with, and how far I'm allowed to go...

All of that taken into account, no, I do not think he would have had sex with anyone if Lacey had not had sex with Damian.
And in not doing so, they would not have "moved forward" as quickly as they did in the story...
Yes that conversation does happen, but this is after the fallout.

MC doesn't want Lacey to fuck anyone else and yet he is convinced by her that this should happen, he actuallly agrees to this (talking about Damian, not Morty).

For MC having Lacey fuck someone else is the final boss of his fears and yet he accepts it, don't you think it would have been easy to convince him to have sex with someone else?
Lacey has an immense power over him, he dances to her tune, no matter how angry or hurt he gets.
The Damian part is added for shock value and to add drama.

What I was referring to is the realization from MC that sex doesn't make you fall in love with your partner nor it is always tied to love.
This is what happens after the Anna sex scene, he realizes that sex with Lacey is special because he loves her, sure if you want to do sone conspiracy you could say that MC enjoy sex with Lacey because she is very good at it and does very extreme stuff, but that is not what I think.

Agree to disagree then, what I agree with you and I cannot really see in any other way is the last scenes with Morty.
Lacey is absolutely creaming herself due to the MC presence and jealousy, Morty is nothing more than a tool, she doesn't even like him that much.
Yes one could argue the misunderstanding is another shock value thing and Lacey could have been more careful and understanding and have not gone through with the kiss, but it doesn't change things dramatically.

How can that scene be so misunderstood?
 
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okay wow lots to read lol good points and opinions again i just replayed the game again slowly and methodically and i have new takes on different things and will address them as the way i see it.

Firstly i wanna cover the MC i see a few people saying they hate him and hes pathetic, dumb ect. after playing this again from the beginning i don't see how the way he's acting is unjustified? what is wrong with jealousy? its a natural feeling and he has every damn right to be the way he is, so why is everyone trying to "fix" him? there's nothing wrong in that aspect of his life.
I understand they both had trauma as kids and he did everything he could to "save" lacey and they, at least he thought they where gonna be lovers for life, she would be with him ect. then she bomb shelled him and abandoned him suddenly and does all the dumb shit she did in college ect and in his mind she did all that not even thinking of him for 1460 days or w/e. there's is no sane world where anything Lacey,mia or anna do is gonna erase his jealousy after what lacey has done and if the dev makes it happen somehow i won't believe or support it, i simply can't and that's just my way of thinking as i feel he has every right to feel the way he does about it, he wanted to be her first everything and she gave it away to some nobody. while i see a few times he starts to have panic attacks and such because all this is destroying him how could anyone think it's his fault? how can any of you see this as his fault i cannot fathom. I love the point where someone pointed out one of the opening lines of the game MC is the narrator and he see's things from his own perspective, so what i wanna see is Lacey's perspective then and only then will i believe that she is not a sex addict and a piece of crap for what she's doing to this guy

This is an adult game, and it's a NTR game, netorare, which translates to "cheating" in Japanese.
why everyone is jumping to Lacey is honest and not cheating on the MC is mind blowing to me, while the dev says non traditional they don't say in what way, i kept asking what is laceys goal here, and i was told several times by several people its to differentiate the difference between love and sex for the MC and also to stop his jealousy and i am constantly told by others that lacey isn't a sex addict and she hasn't cheated since damian but the game is what it is, what i see is lacey and her cohorts mia at least? is trying to get mc to accept that Lacey will sleep with other people, that's why its a NTR game, its not a mental health game while it has mental health aspects in the end this is a porn game pirate site not a mental health game site. the mc constantly says he doesn't want a open relationship and lacey constantly says neither does she but she either does or she wants to be able to sleep around and not have mc do it too its brought up at least 3 times which tells me the Dev is leaning either towards that or that Lacey will just cheat behind mc's back while i hope the dev doesn't go down that round cause then we won't see any scenes since it's in the MC's perspective the only way we would see anything is if its recorded yet again like college. because he won't accept an open relationship and lacey will see that he wont and end up just cheating instead.


The Dev.....where to begin with this one and here's the reason i keep "imagining" the scenarios i keep imagining, he/she purposely leaves things vague and suspicious, for example the 120 hrs where she was partying, clubbing and such with jarred the mc brings it up with someone in the game can't remember who, but says there's no way she was partying that whole time. and whoever it was says what was happening probably mia can't remember, but i don't trust a fuckin thing mia has to say after what she has done unto this point. there's also the thing jarred said in the hot tub how he fucked lacey multiple times already who's to say he didn't? just cause lacey says she didn't? there's the apartment guy who came over drunk and said she gave good head or whatever again explained away as he watched a video of her online, more plausible but again could be a lie i also brought up the 418 text messages that Jannette deleted of the mc's phone and someone in the forum explained it way as to not upset the MC more but again another example of misdirection from the dev, then there is small things like when the mc is talking to veronica and has lacey leave the room and she goes to the bar and Flirts with guys, why? why can't she just go and get a drink and not do that? we don't see her perspective so we don't know what she's really doing, and when she's in the bar early in the game and Lorenzo shows up and she takes him to the bathroom and again mia runs interference, what happened in that bathroom? they explain it away again as laceys bad choices.


i'm almost finished with the current update again i'm almost at the issac comes to the house scene i will post more if i think of something else.
 
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after playing this again from the beginning i don't see how the way he's acting is unjustified?
If Lacey were "normal", you'd be 100% correct.
Most of the MC's suspicions, questions, etc. are not unjustified in a general sense even with Lacey being "abnormal".
Where he is unjustified, is when he projects his own "worst case" rationalizations onto Lacey's intent, and he gets uncontrollably angry without first understanding Lacey. That issue has been somewhat fixed, they still have a lot to work on, but they are finally heading in the right direction.

what is wrong with jealousy?
On the surface, nothing.
The MC has both healthy and unhealthy jealousy.
Lacey gets off on the MC's healthy jealousy; it's the unhealthy jealousy about Lacey's past that causes the MC to become irrationally angry, which is what Lacey is trying to "fix".


The MC isn't weak, overall. But he does have significant weaknesses.
Surely you can glean from the comments that most would have given up on the whore...:ROFLMAO:
And while that's not completely invalid, it does ignore that the MC is incredibly strong and resilient in many ways.

My main issue with the MC is how slow he is in "getting it"; it being what Lacey has been repeating ad nauseum...:ROFLMAO:
But, in the MC's defense, he is also broken, damaged, and has to be fixed.

there's also the thing jarred said in the hot tub how he fucked lacey multiple times already who's to say he didn't?
I understand your perspective on this... The Jared situation requires some critical thinking though... It's not absolute, direct, but I think it's the most probable situation based on known facts and conversations...

Jared himself all but directly admits he hasn't fucked Lacey...
Yes, Jared makes his statement at the hot tub, which we have 0 evidence was true...
Now, read Jared's conversation later at the gym with the MC.
If Jared had already fucked Lacey, why would he threaten the MC with I'm going to fuck your wife?
Seems like that would have been a good time for Jared to vaguely reference the club, and/or I'm gonna show you proof.
Jared wanted to ruin the MC, what better way than telling him Jared has proof Lacey cheated? Yet, Jared didn't do that...
Jared kept working awfully hard to get something he supposedly already had...

If Jared had already fucked Lacey, he wouldn't have to blackmail her with the "underage tapes".
I've already admitted that the videos are a small loophole/loose end... And those videos would be the most likely source of direct evidence of Lacey lying about cheating, if that's what was on the sticks...
However, with the videos, I think they are exactly what Veronica says, because Lacey and Veronica are relaying what Jared has told them in his blackmail threat. (Veronica and Lacey could be embellishing, but Veronica has an interest in the MC, she would have motivation to just tell MC the truth about the videos if they were "at the club" vs. what Veronica relays).
So, based on the totality of circumstances, I think it's a much more reasonable conclusion that Jared has not fucked Lacey...

While there is a possibility of a loose end with the tapes, there's enough evidence against it that it lowers the possibility % below reasonable suspicion, almost to 0... It's much, much more probable, almost beyond reasonable doubt, that Veronica, and Jared, aren't lying about what's on the sticks...

Remember, Jared wants to marry Bella, she's the $$. He just wants to fuck Lacey.
He's behaving very desperately and recklessly for someone who's already gotten what he wants...
 

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it's a NTR game
It's an NTR game, for those that hate NTR...:ROFLMAO:
Which is why we have all the counters, conversations, and facts to lead one to the conclusion that Lacey is in fact telling the truth about not cheating.
Absent hard, direct evidence to support the contrary, Lacy (minus Damian), hasn't cheated...
 
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i love your replies lol
so its a cheating game that's not a cheating game? and still what is her end goal? it still feels like shes trying to sleep with other people with mcs approval to me and if that's not the case what is gonna happen here? what's the point of all this there will be no content if it doesn't happen, it will just be lacey and the mc sleeping together occasionally. why let him sleep with anna and kelly? if it was just to help lacey or help with his jealousy or to differentiate sex and love, so that's the end of it? there will be some kind of of change in the next release it will either be cheating or an open relationship and if its the later that booo on the dev cause the MC said he didn't want that or even a relationship collapse if not there won't be any other sexual content if they remain true to each other only.
It's an NTR game, for those that hate NTR...:ROFLMAO:
Which is why we have all the counters, conversations, and facts to lead one to the conclusion that Lacey is in fact telling the truth about not cheating.
Absent hard, direct evidence to support the contrary, Lacy (minus Damian), hasn't cheated...
 
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418 text messages
The MC is prone to wallowing in self loathing...
He got black out drunk.
Those texts would be a triggering reminder that he left, he failed, where are you, how could you be stupid, etc, etc.
The texts could have pushed the MC to harm himself.

Lacey avoided that by deleting the texts...which could have also included references to the internet video...
Lacey instead had Jeanette explain the video situation directly to the MC, so he wasn't left alone with his own worst case scenario reactions in his head...

is trying to get mc to accept that Lacey will sleep with other people
Lacey and the story are going to a lot of effort to explain that Lacey is not trying to sleep with others...
Pay close attention to the kitchen conversation where the MC and Lacey talk about the free-pass, the jealousy, and they plan the "date night".
There is a very good, and very clear conversation where Lacey explains that she is not trying to sleep with others.
To prove that point, Lacey gives the MC full control...


I'm not completely sure where ACT 2 will go. But there are a lot of hints...
Lacey now is effectively a "sex puppet" for the reader to make choices with and how much content they want to see...
There's the MC's reward scene, which should be a whole lot of fun...lol
And if you play the "slut" path and play along with Lacey dressing up in her old outfits, the MC talks about a lot of scenarios...
Each of those would be very likely scenes/scenarios that are in ACT 2.

If you have a choice mod installed, there are 2 "paths" that the initial 3 main path choices (punish, slut, no fun), all share...
- Lacey Relationship
- Multi-women relationship...

While the notes say no harem tag will ever be used, the story seems to be setting up Lacey allowing the MC to have sex with different women, while Lacey watches, she participates, or the MC watches her, whatever...
There's no "cheat" path in the code...

Remember, it's an NTR game for those that hate NTR...:ROFLMAO:
 
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and still what is her end goal
I sort of address potential end goals. Those are best guesses...
Make no mistake, the "big switcharoo" plot twist is still sitting in the back of my mind...:ROFLMAO:

However, I think the end goal leans toward the multi-women relationship, with scenes involving reader choices regarding "sharing" Lacey with other dudes...the "jealousy" game...

There is a kind of dark thought I have...where Lacey's end goal isn't to cheat or cuck the MC, but rather Lacey is planning to "off herself" or has a terminal illness and is going to die...
If you've read Leap of Faith VN...
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This is what Lacey is doing for the MC...
She's "fixing" him, because she realized he was in hell.
She really wants the MC to forgive her, not hate her, she's "settling her affairs" so to speak with the MC.
She's allowing Anna, and others, to stay close to the MC.
Mia has the conversation with Kelly about being the "backup plan", that Kelly is a better fit for the MC than Anna...
I think that's mostly about if the Lacey relationship fails, but this "darker option" keeps pinging in my head as decent possible scenario...
Just have to wait and see though...
 
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I sort of address potential end goals. Those are best guesses...
Make no mistake, the "big switcharoo" plot twist is still sitting in the back of my mind...:ROFLMAO:

However, I think the end goal leans toward the multi-women relationship, with scenes involving reader choices regarding "sharing" Lacey with other dudes...the "jealousy" game...

There is a kind of dark thought I have...where Lacey's end goal isn't to cheat or cuck the MC, but rather Lacey is planning to "off herself" or has a terminal illness and is going to die...
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This is what Lacey is doing for the MC...
She's "fixing" him, because she realized he was in hell.
She really wants the MC to forgive her, not hate her, she's "settling her affairs" so to speak with the MC.
She's allowing Anna, and others, to stay close to the MC.
Mia has the conversation with Kelly about being the "backup plan", that Kelly is a better fit for the MC than Anna...
I think that's mostly about if the Lacey relationship fails, but this "darker option" keeps pinging in my head as decent possible scenario...
Just have to wait and see though...
i have played that game and it has crossed my mind as well altho i think if it happens it might just be shes hurting to much or to broken and does it and mia might even know about it but i really hope it doesn't go that way but now that u brought it up its all i can see i hate you for that lol thats gonna be so freakin sucky if it goes that way there's no way the mc would survive that.

but if i think about it, why would she actively be jealous and be thinking he's going to leave her with another girl if she knew she was gonna off herself or have a disease it would be counter productive to prepping him for her departure. unless she finds something at the clinic then it could go that way
 
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i have played that game and it has crossed my mind as well altho i think if it happens it might just be shes hurting to much or to broken and does it and mia might even know about it but i really hope it doesn't go that way but now that u brought it up its all i can see i hate you for that lol thats gonna be so freakin sucky if it goes that way there's no way the mc would survive that
IF (BIG IF), that's where the story goes, Lacey will wait until she's sure the MC is ok/happy and he's forgiven her...
She does love the MC, too much, to "leave" again without making sure first...this time...
 

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Firstly i wanna cover the MC i see a few people saying they hate him and hes pathetic, dumb ect. after playing this again from the beginning i don't see how the way he's acting is unjustified? what is wrong with jealousy? its a natural feeling and he has every damn right to be the way he is, so why is everyone trying to "fix" him? there's nothing wrong in that aspect of his life.
I understand they both had trauma as kids and he did everything he could to "save" lacey and they, at least he thought they where gonna be lovers for life, she would be with him ect. then she bomb shelled him and abandoned him suddenly and does all the dumb shit she did in college ect and in his mind she did all that not even thinking of him for 1460 days or w/e. there's is no sane world where anything Lacey,mia or anna do is gonna erase his jealousy after what lacey has done and if the dev makes it happen somehow i won't believe or support it, i simply can't and that's just my way of thinking as i feel he has every right to feel the way he does about it, he wanted to be her first everything and she gave it away to some nobody. while i see a few times he starts to have panic attacks and such because all this is destroying him how could anyone think it's his fault? how can any of you see this as his fault i cannot fathom. I love the point where someone pointed out one of the opening lines of the game MC is the narrator and he see's things from his own perspective, so what i wanna see is Lacey's perspective then and only then will i believe that she is not a sex addict and a piece of crap for what she's doing to this guy
Most people are criticizing MC lack of self worth and indecisiveness towards Lacey.
For what it is worth, his jealousy is perfectly justified he is the only one that thinks that it isn't, Lacey wants to cure him of it even if she enjoys it because she sees that he makes him suffer.
His jealousy does get VERY weird when he starts being jealous of "his girls", my man, you cannot be jealous to that extent towards people that are not in a relationship with you, I can understand why you coulld be a bit if you had some attraction but it is damn unhealthy.

In the end the MC aside from some occasions sounds and acts like a wimp describing himself as an asshole (seriously I don't how many times did I read asshole and chest pain).
All this self loathing gets old, especially when you mix it up with MC being an absolute god that every single woman that goes near him cream their panties and want to fuck him pronto.
His caring nature is a bit too much, he forgives everything and everyone as long as they have a vagina, like Barty was not forgiven but Veronica that was fucking him over and was helping Jared is forgiven instantly, same as Mia after all the stuff.

That said he does show an insane amount of resilience, he is stronger emotionally than he gives himself credit for and he is superaware of other people's feelings and is sensitive to a fault.
The good thing is that some of these traits can be associated to trauma, I always tought it was a nice touch if it was intentional.

It is also not his fault that he has panic attacks, the problem with his panic attacks is that they are....weirdly written.

MC is not the only narrator, you see too many things outside of what MC sees, what the message was is that the narrators will be unreliable, it is a pretty common trope in writing.
Lacey is the most unreliable narrator of them all for example.

This is an adult game, and it's a NTR game, netorare, which translates to "cheating" in Japanese.
why everyone is jumping to Lacey is honest and not cheating on the MC is mind blowing to me, while the dev says non traditional they don't say in what way, i kept asking what is laceys goal here, and i was told several times by several people its to differentiate the difference between love and sex for the MC and also to stop his jealousy and i am constantly told by others that lacey isn't a sex addict and she hasn't cheated since damian but the game is what it is, what i see is lacey and her cohorts mia at least? is trying to get mc to accept that Lacey will sleep with other people, that's why its a NTR game, its not a mental health game while it has mental health aspects in the end this is a porn game pirate site not a mental health game site. the mc constantly says he doesn't want a open relationship and lacey constantly says neither does she but she either does or she wants to be able to sleep around and not have mc do it too its brought up at least 3 times which tells me the Dev is leaning either towards that or that Lacey will just cheat behind mc's back while i hope the dev doesn't go down that round cause then we won't see any scenes since it's in the MC's perspective the only way we would see anything is if its recorded yet again like college. because he won't accept an open relationship and lacey will see that he wont and end up just cheating instead.
This is where my honestly unhealty knowledge about the game comes into play.
This is not an NTR game I mean it is ina weird way, it is a game where a dumb selfish bitch makes so many mistakes and cheats on our "beloved" MC.
But there is no way that in Act 1 Lacey would leave MC for another man, MC is afraid that it could happen since it happened in the past (that was not Lacey's plan but it did happen), but Lacey would sooner kill herself than leave MC.
There are variables for Lacey's love towards MC, so maybe the author has something prepared for Act 2, but I doubt it.
(Btw netorare original meaning is "to be stolen", Lacey does not and will not be stolen for now)

I don't know which path you are playing, the best one to understand Lacey's mind is the Slutification/Bimbofication, the Punish is good but it is more related to MC dealing with his anger towards her.
So in the S/B (I'll call it like this from now on) path we get a glimpse on how much Lacey is willing to do for MC.
You get several choices:
  • you can ask if she would fuck a woman for him, she would and she would let him fuck them both, gladly
  • you can ask if she would be ok for MC to fuck a woman in front of her while she is tied, she will do it even if she could cry
  • you can ask if she would do anything for him (very generic), she says yes
  • you can ask if she would fuck another man if MC asked to, this is the only one where she hesitates quite a bit
in her own words:
L "It would be very hard for me."
L "And I would probably be pretty sad afterwards."
L "But if you wanted to just watch, I would do that for you."
L "You'd have to promise there'd be a lot of aftercare between us though."


You know, she fucks up with the Damian thing, she admits it and MC goes off the rails on her but she was doing her own little Lacey plan to "cure" MC, she might have fun with it at the moment especially since she eats up MC jealousy like she eats cock, but she had a hard time going through with it to the point she had to go back to her old drug habits.
She needs to own that fuck up, she was really stupid and self centered but I weirdly see that event less bad than the going to Jared parties, buying the fucking dresses and going to the tennis dates.
THAT was cheating to the max because it wasn't about MC, she did it for herself, not caring about the hurt it would have caused to him.
And in the voice of the Godfather: "That I do not forgive" :ROFLMAO:

The Dev.....where to begin with this one and here's the reason i keep "imagining" the scenarios i keep imagining, he/she purposely leaves things vague and suspicious, for example the 120 hrs where she was partying, clubbing and such with jarred the mc brings it up with someone in the game can't remember who, but says there's no way she was partying that whole time. and whoever it was says what was happening probably mia can't remember, but i don't trust a fuckin thing mia has to say after what she has done unto this point. there's also the thing jarred said in the hot tub how he fucked lacey multiple times already who's to say he didn't? just cause lacey says she didn't? there's the apartment guy who came over drunk and said she gave good head or whatever again explained away as he watched a video of her online, more plausible but again could be a lie i also brought up the 418 text messages that Jannette deleted of the mc's phone and someone in the forum explained it way as to not upset the MC more but again another example of misdirection from the dev, then there is small things like when the mc is talking to veronica and has lacey leave the room and she goes to the bar and Flirts with guys, why? why can't she just go and get a drink and not do that? we don't see her perspective so we don't know what she's really doing, and when she's in the bar early in the game and Lorenzo shows up and she takes him to the bathroom and again mia runs interference, what happened in that bathroom? they explain it away again as laceys bad choices.
MC brings the topic of the 120h with Mia, she explains that Lacey spent her time bored talking to strippers and drinking.
Mia could have been lying to MC, but at that point Mia loves him and she wouldn't probably lie to him on such a thing, Lacey would have been lying to Mia as well.
We can't absolutely know, but from the behaviour we see later on, we can be almost sure no cheating happened, maybe some groping.
Remember Lacey looooves making MC jealous, why would she go behind his back?

Look, things are left vague to entice the reader/player, it is overused but the author is not a professional writer and you can excuse a bit of that.
Most of the things that you mention are actually kinda explained, the messages are removed to avoid MC stressing out more than he actually should, hell Lacey could have thought that he left and threatened to commit suicide, we just don't know.
What we know is that MC is super sensitive and he feels like shit when his actions have even a minimal effect on anyone, fuck he apologizes and care for Christine after the big reveal, a normal person would have drowned her in her own puke.

Jared didn't fuck her either, she might have enjoyed his attention way too much and let herself get groped but nothing more.
Actually the whole thing is written a bit weirdly, she was fine with his hands on her ass, she was fine being almost naked with his hand on her inner thigh, but she was not fine at the last party? Maybe it was because she got dissilusioned about the VP position, who knows.

Barty? Come on, she could have any man and we get worried about fucking Barty? the guy looks like he changes underwear twice a year.

There are some moments of brutal honesty from Lacey, especially when MC actuially grows a spine with her, things would have come out.
 

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I hope it doesn't come to that, we see often Lacey stating that she wants to live and live happily with MC.

On the sharing topic, there are indications that MC will be able to share another love interests as well, it might turn out in a fuckfest with the right choices.
The jealousy game will definitely be a part of it, but I am sure there will be a reversal.
Act 2 might start as an harem game tho :p

And yes, Lacey really wants to be forgiven, she understands the specifics of that forgiveness way too late and does add more things she needs to be forgiven for like every hour.
But she wants MC to be happy and to forgive her, I'm sorry but anyone that is stating otherwise did not play the game (again I suggest the slutification route for some better context).
 

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again I suggest the slutification route for some better context)
i am currently playing this route guys i am seriously enjoying talking to you every time its something new thanks

i am looking at lacey like shes the enemy its just how i feel maybe she is sorry maybe she is trying to fix things i hope your right about that and things end up well for them

In the end the MC aside from some occasions sounds and acts like a wimp describing himself as an asshole (seriously I don't how many times did I read asshole and chest pain).
but u have to remember he is also trying to fix himself to and by the girls constantly trying to "fix" him he is most likely getting a complex that makes him feel like he's an asshole and i dunno if you ever been jealous but it kind of does feel like chest pain the asshole part i disagree with he is absolutely not being an asshole in my opinion at least for most of it
 
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sorry for double post but i don't know how i missed the chicken parm dinner after her first therapy session and the Mc's 243 rules i must of been mad at the game and skipped that part cause holly fuck that fucked me up him listing all those rules for her but i noticed something...it was like he was a recording when he listed them and then bam he was normal again, lacey and him just brushed over it like it was no big deal then she went to the living room it was weird. this tells me something new that maybe someone already covered but i am starting to think lacey isn't the fucked up one but the MC is and since we're seeing everything threw his perspective he doesn't realize it yet or maybe they are both fucked up, well we know they are both fucked up but that part in particular i didn't notice before but since i played it slowly and read everything this time that's what i noticed and when lacy leaves the kitchen and is taking notes she seems normal? like really normal like brains working or like she's a therapist or something she seemed almost professional so that's why i am thinking this that the mc is the main problem now that 1 dinner changed my whole perspective
 

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sorry for double post but i don't know how i missed the chicken parm dinner after her first therapy session and the Mc's 243 rules i must of been mad at the game and skipped that part cause holly fuck that fucked me up him listing all those rules for her but i noticed something...it was like he was a recording when he listed them and then bam he was normal again, lacey and him just brushed over it like it was no big deal then she went to the living room it was weird. this tells me something new that maybe someone already covered but i am starting to think lacey isn't the fucked up one but the MC is and since we're seeing everything threw his perspective he doesn't realize it yet or maybe they are both fucked up, well we know they are both fucked up but that part in particular i didn't notice before but since i played it slowly and read everything this time that's what i noticed and when lacy leaves the kitchen and is taking notes she seems normal? like really normal like brains working or like she's a therapist or something she seemed almost professional so that's why i am thinking this that the mc is the main problem now that 1 dinner changed my whole perspective
Well that is a wide swing my friend, calling MC which is a victim, a problem.

True, we mostly see events from his perspective, but none of the hard facts are wrong, what could be wrong is the various doubts and scenarios in his head.

What we forget is that they had a perfectly good marriage before Mia started causing damage and Lacey started her crusade to end her marriage.

Lacey knows full well she hurts him, I mean who wouldn't be hurt by their wife acting like she does?
The dresses, the cheating, the flirting, the humiliation....all.of these are hard facts that happen in the story.

MC is always on a rollercoaster, with Lacey throwing a lot of affection and loving words to him and the next moment treating him like garbage and cheating on him.
That is extremely taxing for the nervous system and to the mind.

Of course he is fucked up, imagine yourself giving everything that you could give at a job.
You get good reviews and promises about your future and then BAM you get fired and removed forcibly from the office like you're a criminal.

Now apply that to the thing you love the most and tell me if you think you will be alright after that.

There are some other aspects, such as MC waiting for her and she becoming a slut to please Mia (I forgot that Lacey actually states this, why the fuck Mia is still around is beyond me).

But to point him as the problem in the relationship is madness.
MC did and does give all the love he has to Lacey, he validates her, he goes out of his way to help her and prop her up, no matter the cost to himself.
Maybe his problem is just that, he should have left her behind.

Go and read the first night after Lacey comes back if you want.
 
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yeah i guess i worded it wrong i didn't mean like he was the bad guy on purpose i mean what if a lot of what's happening is actually in his mind? was just a thought

if u go by what we see in the game tho yes lacey does cause most of his issues
There are some other aspects, such as MC waiting for her and she becoming a slut to please Mia (I forgot that Lacey actually states this, why the fuck Mia is still around is beyond me).
i cannot fathom why mia is around at all, even if somehow Lacey forgave her if i was the mc and as obsessed with lacey as he appears to be i would literally kill mia for what she had done to my lacey.

Also i had argued previously about the dev putting open relationship in the game in 3 convos, and didn't even realize even tho Lacey said she doesn't want that, she then says she does but "limited" we'll see how much control the dev actually gives us i am willing to bet he/she forces at least one fuck for lacey when i don't think she should be allowed to sleep with anyone but the mc. She says she soad her oats already but i am willing to bet she will get some regardless if we want her to or not the dev probably gonna make it like the MC feels bad so she should get some to or some BS.
 
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yeah i guess i worded it wrong i didn't mean like he was the bad guy on purpose i mean what if a lot of what's happening is actually in his mind? was just a thought

if u go by what we see in the game tho yes lacey does cause most of his issues
Yeah I get what you mean.now, MC calls himself the bad guy this is one of the worst traits about him.
But we all understand where his damage comes from.

i cannot fathom why mia is around at all, even if somehow Lacey forgave her if i was the mc and as obsessed with lacey as he appears to be i would literally kill mia for what she had done to my lacey.

Also i had argued previously about the dev putting open relationship in the game in 3 convos, and didn't even realize even tho Lacey said she doesn't want that, she then says she does but "limited" we'll see how much control the dev actually gives us i am willing to bet he/she forces at least one fuck for lacey when i don't think she should be allowed to sleep with anyone but the mc she says she soad her oats already but i am willing to bet she will get some regardless if we want her to or not the dev probably gonna make it like the MC feels bad so she should get some to or some BS.
Yeah the Mia situation is written badly, but it is all.tied to the author making MC forgive any woman instantly.
Veronica and Christine get forgiven too, and maybe the shortstack didn't betray him on purpose, but big tits executive did.

We will see how the author treat the open relationships.
He is definitely pushing towards MC having an hard on while getting cucked, even with Damian.
You can also talk about sharing Lacey with other men in the slut route.
And I think MC confirms he likes the Morty situation when you go through all of it (I might not remember this perfectly as I did it only once to see the story, as it was a disgusting scene).

But for sure MC will be able to get some action, probably more than Lacey if the ending and the copious amounts of LIs are taken into consideration.

It won't be an open relationship per se, probably just exploration as a couple.
 

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Heres is question that I have been mulling over. We have an issue with Mia for what she did, but if Mia didn't bring her past into the light would MC been able to stop Jared or would Jared have succeeded. The awareness of her past made MC pay attention to what was going on around her. If he didn't have that knowledge he might have brushed off those Jared encounters as nothing and Lacey would have ended up getting fucked.
 
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