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Alone for 3 weeks minus 3 days, the pimp had to check in to evaluate the merchandise.

So he was her ex, a 3 week ex but an ex nonetheless.

Mia is not saying anything Lacey isn't saying, did you get the second Isaac scene and the aftermath?

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And then we get the second part with Lacey, Anna and MC and Anna keeps Lacey honest.

I don't know what you guys are trying to uncover here, the deep attachment you think happened, never happened.
She was attached in the same way to stephen with a ph, as soon as she caught something he sent him away.
Look I can add that it could even be a bit more, but still, no love.

You're making me defend Lacey during her college period ffs.

Maviarab you edited your post and made a VERY good point, but K doesn't stunt your emotions completely, the disassociation is a bit weird to explain, especially in english.
and that DeviantFun is one of the only good things i am proud of lacey for doing aside from doing it in MC's Kitchen she laid out how she feels and proves he didn't actually care about her, however i still worry about Issac being around her and them moving to his house
 
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So far episode 1 was good, but god, why start episode 2 again from scratch, when will the mc grow up, become a real man and stop being a cry baby. Lacey did make mistakes, we all do, but most of all there was no relation, they were childhood friends, and what her parents did to her is unforgiveable.

I can understand why she did all this, she needed to find herself back, to find out that she wasn't a worthless piece of shit her parents made her feel. But the mc took her in from childhood, protected her, smothered her, sufficated her, if one is fault it his himself who is, he should finaly grow up and become a man, to help her and stop accusing her for mistakes she made.

It is a real hard story, but Lacey isn't at fault here, if one was at fault it her parents. I really feel for that girl and my man would been a lot better man for her then the mc is, he is just a piece of trash who think he owns her and put her on a pedestal to later find out how damaged she really is and instead of trying understand her he just keep blaming her. And for a moment near the end of episode 1 he seemed to finaly understand and become more of a guy he should been, just to fall again in the same habit again. He makes every girl around him fall in love with him, yet doesn't answer their feelings, instead he keep yapping on how bad Lacey is to him.

Lacey blame herself for being selfish, but god the mc is much worse, he is even more selfish then she is. I'm not sure i can consider this an ntr game, it more of a destructive relation game where the mc is a piece of trash that doesn't know he is all the blame and not her, he made her fall for him, he made so many other women fall for him, he act like he is the best man any girl can get, but the worst trait he has he is possessive and got a sick jealousy problem. Anyway the story is really well told, but I keep losing more and more sympathy for the mc and care more and more for Lacey, she is after all the victim and need help and she is trying to better herself, but the mc doesn't, he keeps being selfish.
 
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I take my previous words back about liking the game. I have played the game further, its pure NTS (seems unavoidable too). We should have separate tags for NTS and NTR so people would not waste their time.

Somehow, the slut managed to convince MC that he need to become a cuck to "fight his jealousy over her past" and that he need to "understand how her brain works". Utter crap. His jealousy over her past would not be a issue if she just told him that past is past, stopped to lie to him constantly and didn't give him reasons to be jealous in the present. Yes, it is that simple. And her "brain works" are just polite words to her desire to sleep around (really, what else could she mean by that?). MC's whimpers that "No! You'll leave me if you sleep with someone!" are just pathetic. Of course she will, because cheating wife should be kicked out of the home! The reason not to a agree are simple: healthy male does not want to share his woman. That's, it. Pure biology. And MC mentioned that he does not want to share, and she admitted that there it nothing she could said against that. Why he did not pressed the argument is beyond me.

The fact that MC let the mentally unstable girl talk himself into something obviously stupid... It's utterly break any shred of immersion left. Pity. The start was kind of good.
Lacey: <says something adventureous>

MC: tenor.gif
 
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Thank you for putting my thoughts into writing so eloquently.
Your anallysis of Mia and Lacey is pretty on point in my book.
I would just add that Mia sucks, you missed that part ;)

The problem with Lacey is that her survival mode is still lingering a bit too long, but she seems to be tackling or at least willing to tackle the issue.

This is why she got an 8/10 as character for this act from me.
Hm that's an interesting take. Lacey's got an 8/10 from me too, but for very different reasons. I want to unleash the slut she created as a coping mechanism during college. But this time while I'm holding her hand. The fact that she could potentially be manipulated into enjoying slutty meaningless sex by twisting her trauma into a form of depraved lust makes my Sith senses tingle. The fact that she wants to tackle the issue only makes it more fun :devilish:

MC has its strong moments, like the way he dealt with figures from Lacey's past but he's still a pussyboi who gets triggered by the mere mention of words like 'not the first' and 'big black cockatoo' which only makes him an easy target for cucking. But perhaps the developer will allow us to change MC's personality a bit with choices in the future, perhaps I can change him into me a bit more :whistle::coffee:

EDIT: Only thing that irks me a bit is that Lacey's face looks like a 10 year old's while her tits look like an 18 year old and her pussy like... Know what, never mind :WeSmart:
 
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Are you high, Lacey is pure garbage.
Well it obvious you never met real people that been abused by their parents, you probably had sheltered life where your parents supported you and guided you to be like this. But trust me I know alot of people and some just like Lacey, sadly this is a bad story for people not right in their mind, what Lacey did is pretty normal for damaged people, they mc just couldn't see that, because he had this ideal in his head and sadly real life isn't always ideal for some people. What Lacey need is a patient man who is understanding and guide her to heal her damaged mind and be brought back on a path of a normal life.

But drugs is always a bad thing, some realy destroy the brain and makes your judgement and decisions become real shitty and bad, it even can make you complete nuts. Lacey isn't garbage she is just a damaged girl and most of it is her parents fault and the mc didn't really help her, if he was smarter he would gone to the cops and told them his suspicions and let child care take an investigation on that family, but instead he became selfish and made her his own project in hope to get her to be his girl, but he was a damn child himself, something he was not ready for doing yet, in the proces he damaged himself and became the jerk he is.

The garbage people in the story are Jared in the first place, Evan in some degree and then all those pigs that fucked her during college years, because they just wanted to fuck her, they didn't care she was drunk and high on K, they just wanted their little dicks pleased. And the greatest garbage where her parents they made her but then abused her.
 
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i like it i'm to lazy to debate points as i see alot i agree with good job i'm sure one of the big boys will when they wake up =p
 
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Hm that's an interesting take. Lacey's got an 8/10 from me too, but for very different reasons. I want to unleash the slut she created as a coping mechanism during college. But this time while I'm holding her hand. The fact that she could potentially be manipulated into enjoying slutty meaningless sex by twisting her trauma into a form of depraved lust makes my Sith senses tingle. The fact that she wants to tackle the issue only makes it more fun :devilish:

MC has its strong moments, like the way he dealt with figures from Lacey's past but he's still a pussyboi who gets triggered by the mere mention of words like 'not the first' and 'big black cockatoo' which only makes him an easy target for cucking. But perhaps the developer will allow us to change MC's personality a bit with choices in the future, perhaps I can change him into me a bit more :whistle::coffee:

EDIT: Only thing that irks me a bit is that Lacey's face looks like a 10 year old's while her tits look like an 18 year old and her pussy like... Know what, never mind :WeSmart:
I said it before, the paths in act 2 suck ass, especially the no_fun one.
That is probably what you are looking for, I don't know how many good guy points you will need, but it was heavily hinted that this should be possible.
Lacey will not like it, I don't even want to get into the argument, if you played all the choices you would agree, there are also clear indications in some act 2 dialogues, but MC should be able to force and manipulate her into what you're suggesting.
I wanted to see this version of MC.

Those were probably the weakest moments from MC, I mean I understand you're a sith lord and all, but like many others fail to be empathic towards a victim or to understand obsessive love (which both Lacey and MC have).
There was a chain of abuse here Parents abused Lacey, Lacey abused MC.
She turned his "True compassion" into a twisted version full of servilism and self sacrifice.

As redoubt27 said, you have to give some rope to Lacey when she was a kid, she was on full survival mode.
But after? When she had all the chances to be free?

There is one thing that is more of a creeping realization than anything else.
The more we go on the more we discover that Lacey wasn't always so desperate during junior year, she might have been like that SOMETIMES, but Junior year was actually fun: Carnivals, raves, weekends with her BFs, doing silly and fun sex things not only the "omg they sucked and it hurt" stuff..

It is not only about being first, sure that is a component, it is the concept that the woman you love will never be yours truly, it is just your turn and you were last in line, not only physically but emotionally too.
But also, that the woman you love is not the woman you love but someone else wearing her face, using her voice but she's not her.
Living with the constant reminder that you were not enough then and you probably are not enough now.
A constant reminder that she could leave you again.
Granted, the last two points are not true, but this is how an abused and abandoned victim might feel.

There is much more to say here, and I don't like MC, I don't like passive men, I don't like people wallowing.
I've seen street kids prostituting themselves in areas destroyed by war, if they came to the shelter not smelling like dogshit it meant that someone gave them a bath before fucking them but the kids would still go on, would still play.
So my tolerance for weak ass attitude like MC's is LOW.

Yet if you have any compassion or empathy you cannot discard his feelings entirely with a "get over it man".
What MC went through is bad, more than many of us are willing to admit or accept.

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I agree with most of what you're saying, but what I've said above kinda clashes with your depiction of MC.
You are now blaming MC, another victim of the situation, asking a prebubescent boy to act like a grown man with everything figured out.
He was a kid and did what a kid could.

"Making her his own project" is a VERY hot take, he lived for her and, if you didn't see it in the game, she made it thanks to him.
She latched and used every drop of his compassion and devotion towards her until there was nothing left of the kid that could have been.
And he willingly gave it all, because he had to help her in any way he could, no matter the consequences to himself.

This is the man that NOW is helping the person he hates the most because he sees him suffering, while swallowing his hate.

Edit: besides, an easy realization is how even Lacey knows how her path was fucked up and how every choice she made barred her from a normal life, normal and happy life that she had at the tip of her fingers.
That everything she went through was completely unneccessary, the harm she exposed herself to was useless and harming for her and for the man she loves.
All the while the man she loved was on the brink, deprived of every ounce of self worth, she took that away.
This is heavy, for both of them.

Edit2: not all her college flings were pieces of shit, Stephen and Lorenzo for example wanted to have a real relationship with her and were oblivious to the drug use.
The rest of the people that fucked her at parties where she was fucked up beyond recognition? scum. (including Isaac)
 
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Man I sometimes wish we can respond to reviews.

A person said this, 'The game has a top rating so far - so why do i rate it only 1 star?
Pretty simple - it's basically "just" a book - not a game - at least it feels like that.'

Perhaps they aren't aware what the N in VN stands for lmao. :rolleyes:
 

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Man I sometimes wish we can respond to reviews.

A person said this, 'The game has a top rating so far - so why do i rate it only 1 star?
Pretty simple - it's basically "just" a book - not a game - at least it feels like that.'

Perhaps they aren't aware what the N in VN stands for lmao. :rolleyes:
i won't review this till it's complete...i simply can't cause my opinion constantly changes
 

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I agree with most of what you're saying, but what I've said above kinda clashes with your depiction of MC.
You are now blaming MC, another victim of the situation, asking a prebubescent boy to act like a grown man with everything figured out.
He was a kid and did what a kid could.

"Making her his own project" is a VERY hot take, he lived for her and, if you didn't see it in the game, she made it thanks to him.
She latched and used every drop of his compassion and devotion towards her until there was nothing left of the kid that could have been.
And he willingly gave it all, because he had to help her in any way he could, no matter the consequences to himself.

This is the man that NOW is helping the person he hates the most because he sees him suffering, while swallowing his hate.

Edit: besides, an easy realization is how even Lacey knows how her path was fucked up and how every choice she made barred her from a normal life, normal and happy life that she had at the tip of her fingers.
That everything she went through was completely unneccessary, the harm she exposed herself to was useless and harming for her and for the man she loves.
All the while the man she loved was on the brink, deprived of every ounce of self worth, she took that away.
This is heavy, for both of them.

Edit2: not all her college flings were pieces of shit, Stephen and Lorenzo for example wanted to have a real relationship with her and were oblivious to the drug use.
The rest of the people that fucked her at parties where she was fucked up beyond recognition? scum. (including Isaac)
I don't entirely think the mc is bad, but he does have serious issues himself where he need some therapy too and thus for that he isn't really fit to help Lacey, because his mental health weavers alot too and he often lashes out to her, for something that just can't be changed anymore. Also he shouldn't really do the thing where all other girls around him fall for him too, least not in a relation like this. Personaly I have myself an open relation with my hubby, but for Lacey and MC well that just a bad thing.

Yes i do condone what Lacey did by leaving for 4 years without a word or connection back to him, but then again she was already not right in her mind then, geuss what her true purpose was that she wanted to commit suicide, but like most was to coward and hoped ketamine would do they job. And i never ment Stephen or Lorenzo being scumbags, it was more the guys after like Isaac and who know who else.

The most sad part now is each time they back on track someone new comes in play to throw a wedge between them, now some person called "the monster", I did lived a colorful live and I met alot scum too, but I never really met such scum that want to make two mentaly ill people suffer more. That why I find this a very heavy story and would be bad for people that have the same issues mentaly.
 
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I don't entirely think the mc is bad, but he does have serious issues himself where he need some therapy too and thus for that he isn't really fit to help Lacey, because his mental health weavers alot too and he often lashes out to her, for something that just can't be changed anymore. Also he shouldn't really do the thing where all other girls around him fall for him too, least not in a relation like this. Personaly I have myself an open relation with my hubby, but for Lacey and MC well that just a bad thing.

Yes i do condone what Lacey did by leaving for 4 years without a word or connection back to him, but then again she was already not right in her mind then, geuss what her true purpose was that she wanted to commit suicide, but like most was to coward and hoped ketamine would do they job. And i never ment Stephen or Lorenzo being scumbags, it was more the guys after like Isaac and who know who else.

The most sad part now is each time they back on track someone new comes in play to throw a wedge between them, now some person called "the monster", I did lived a colorful live and I met alot scum too, but I never really met such scum that want to make two mentaly ill people suffer more. That why I find this a very heavy story and would be bad for people that have the same issues mentaly.
If you pay a bit more attention, he is not surrounded by the girls who eventually fall for him on accident. His sweet wife has a knack for identifying other unstable women and making sure they orbit her and by proxy MC. Every time MC meets someone new on his own, Lacey makes sure she meets them too to have a talk. And after that they become members of the circle. Haven't you noticed he almost never thinks of going on those pseudo-dates on his own? She always reminds him and pushes him towards them. Like she has a schedule.

A victim becoming abuser is the most common story. The cycle of abuse. They aren't mutually exclusive. Lacey is almost certainly written as a vulnerable-type narcissist with a good dose of machiavelianism.
 

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an easy realization is how even Lacey knows how her path was fucked up and how every choice she made barred her from a normal life, normal and happy life that she had at the tip of her fingers.
That everything she went through was completely unneccessary, the harm she exposed herself to was useless and harming for her and for the man she loves.
All the while the man she loved was on the brink, deprived of every ounce of self worth, she took that away.
This is heavy, for both of them.
Good one. That sums up perfectly "corrupted in college" narrative. And it's main problems and internal inconsistencies. Because it is not only incompatible with the game events, it is inconsistent with any narrative that starts with "boy and girl loved each other but the girl were traumatized in the past and leave to get better and be able to be with the boy" without introduction of a "monster" inside of girl.

Because without a monster there is no reason for the girl to leave. Yes, it is that simple.

Lets return to the game. Why would she leave? She was abused but MC presence kept her afloat, healed her, damaging him in the process. But abuse ended. And his presence continued to heal her. In time they both would heal naturally. He was not pushing her into anything. Yes, he asked, which is natural. But never pushed. In time, they'd both heal and would be able to overcome that. So why would she leave?

She understood that leaving would hurt MC deeply, and will stop her healing and remove comfort from her presence. So, to overcome these three reasons the internal pull to leave should be STRONG. The game offered "get on my feet and be able to be with you" explanation, but it's obviously too weak. Her leaving would hurt MC so much more than her inability to be with him. And she knew it perfectly. And, if she was healing, then leaving was even more absurd, because she was already going in the right direction, she has only to wait. Why break something that is already working?

She felt that his presence was not healing her anymore? But that raises questions about their "love". And id directly contradicts game's claims.

So what was that internal pull? The monster. She wanted to hurt MC, even if it would destroy her. The troubled but loving girl MC painted in his head was never existed in reality.

I repeat two fragments of my previous post:
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The next question is why was she not returning when she became depressed in the college. Being with MC could help that. Why fight it? What could keep her there ignoring reasons mentioned above and plus suffer the depression? Game does not explains it AT ALL. Her being a monster inside explains it perfectly.

Next question. Why Lacey did not contact MC, knowing that it hurts him even more than her leaving? Again, game provides no explanation, only states the fact. Monster feeding on MC's grief explains it naturally.

There is more detailed study on a "monster":
Maybe author tried to create a "corrupted girl". But what he really created is clearly a monster.
 

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We have been analysing and criticising Lacey for some time now.

Don’t get me wrong, everything she did is appalling.
i just think that we are over-analysing or sometimes looking for malicious intent when there is none.
They were both young, damaged and desperate. And that can lead to dumb, impulsive and self-sabotaging decisions.

Meaning to say, that i can understand, why Lacey wanted and needed to try independence, but definitely don’t agree with how she abandoned Mc without notice or discussion, and downright disgusted with her decisions following that
 

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I don't entirely think the mc is bad, but he does have serious issues himself where he need some therapy too and thus for that he isn't really fit to help Lacey, because his mental health weavers alot too and he often lashes out to her, for something that just can't be changed anymore. Also he shouldn't really do the thing where all other girls around him fall for him too, least not in a relation like this. Personaly I have myself an open relation with my hubby, but for Lacey and MC well that just a bad thing.

Yes i do condone what Lacey did by leaving for 4 years without a word or connection back to him, but then again she was already not right in her mind then, geuss what her true purpose was that she wanted to commit suicide, but like most was to coward and hoped ketamine would do they job. And i never ment Stephen or Lorenzo being scumbags, it was more the guys after like Isaac and who know who else.

The most sad part now is each time they back on track someone new comes in play to throw a wedge between them, now some person called "the monster", I did lived a colorful live and I met alot scum too, but I never really met such scum that want to make two mentaly ill people suffer more. That why I find this a very heavy story and would be bad for people that have the same issues mentaly.
The MC bad mostly for himself, I agree, he needs help, he is not equipped to deal with the stuff he is going through, add the PTSD and you're fried, PTSD needs medication, period.
He gives himself freely even to his worst enemies if they need help (Christine, Isaac are examples).
But when it comes from himself he is just self destructive.

I don't have a problem with him saying that he cares for other people, such as Anna.
The problem I have is how fucking creepy and gross he is in his flirting with other people such as Beth and Jeanette.
With Jeanette it started reallly tame and he kept it professional, to the point of deceiving himself that their dinner was professional only.

Unlike you I don't condone Lacey, she wanted to try and stand on her own two feet, same as MC she should have professional help.
She only made the situation worse and everyone has paid the consequences, suicide wasn't on the table at first.
Ketamine was a wonder drug for her, it actually works against depression, in clinical treatments you get a few mg in IV, she tought she found a solution.
She found a crutch (cit.) that embarassed her and made her even worse.

I understand why she did what she did, but condoning? no, especially because she dragged many people down with her.
Does that make her an evil bitch that needs to be killed on sight? absolutely not, I feel bad for her, mainly for her struggle to try and get back on the horse and mend things that she pulverized.
She really wants that, she has a lot of regret, but neither of these things will help her.

About the monster part I agree, I feel it was unneccessary to the story, there was already a lot to dive in, many things to face, such as the new discoveries about her time in college.

So I kinda agree with you.

If you pay a bit more attention, he is not surrounded by the girls who eventually fall for him on accident. His sweet wife has a knack for identifying other unstable women and making sure they orbit her and by proxy MC. Every time MC meets someone new on his own, Lacey makes sure she meets them too to have a talk. And after that they become members of the circle. Haven't you noticed he almost never thinks of going on those pseudo-dates on his own? She always reminds him and pushes him towards them. Like she has a schedule.

A victim becoming abuser is the most common story. The cycle of abuse. They aren't mutually exclusive. Lacey is almost certainly written as a vulnerable-type narcissist with a good dose of machiavelianism.
Most of the women rotating around MC are not introduced by Lacey, only Mia and Veronica.
I am not sure we can call all these women unstable.

She meets the other women first to be sure they are not a threat, second to see if her plan could go though, like with Jeanette.

MC thinks often about pseudo dates on his own, Jeanette, Mia and Anna are examples.
Throw Bethany and Jamie in too.

To the point where Lacey didn't even know he was going and latches on to make her usual "threat check".

It is very well explained on why she does this, she wants to "control" the situation so that she knows they would not hurt MC and possibly put themselves between him and her.

We have been analysing and criticising Lacey for some time now.

Don’t get me wrong, everything she did is appalling.
i just think that we are over-analysing or sometimes looking for malicious intent when there is none.
They were both young, damaged and desperate. And that can lead to dumb, impulsive and self-sabotaging decisions.

Meaning to say, that i can understand, why Lacey wanted and needed to try independence, but definitely don’t agree with how she abandoned Mc without notice or discussion, and downright disgusted with her decisions following that
As usual you are very right, we know her reasons, we understand, not justify.
People are digging to find dirt when most of the dirt is already piled on behind them.
Looking for stuff without trying to understand the character fully.
And I don't think understanding her will automatically mean that you will like her, your feelings might stay the same, but at least for the right reasons.


Now an important question:
How many correct answers did you all have in the truth or lie game? I managed only 10/11 (fuck you Veronica).
Does anybody notice something weird about Veronica in the game by the pool?
 
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I've just had a thought if taking all that ketamine affected her decision making and knowing what's right and what's wrong and so on and so forth

When she gets that call to prompts her to leave Issac and come home to the MC - just how did she make/come to that decision like how would she of known that was the right thing to do at that time as surely that would of already been in place at this stage , and we know it wouldn't of been Mia that pushed her to go to the MC as she hated him at that stage

So the more that I think about it when she was running around and doing all her stupid shit in act 1 the "brain damage" appears to be a very convenient way to fuck around and not find out as she can just blame on the brain damage

Edit: also with the "brain damage" given everything that has happened as an outcome of it , I would of expected her relapses to be higher than three now that I think about it
 
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I've just had a thought if taking all that ketamine affected her decision making and knowing what's right and what's wrong and so on and so forth

When she gets that call to prompts her to leave Issac and come home to the MC - just how did she make/come to that decision like how would she of known that was the right thing to do at that time as surely that would of already been in place at this stage , and we know it wouldn't of been Mia that pushed her to go to the MC as she hated him at that stage

So the more that I think about it when she was running around and doing all her stupid shit in act 1 the "brain damage" appears to be a very convenient way to fuck around and not find out as she can just blame on the brain damage
You are both right and wrong.

So the brain damage is overstated, also the memory loss is totally overstated.

The memory is actually almost all bullshit, yes it might be a bit jumbled but how can she remember EVERYTING then? up to sharing a toothbrush? Every name of her slut dresses? Every cock with nicknames and sometimes names attached?
The truth is in the middle, she doesn't want to remember, it is hard to make a decent timeline in her head but she remembers the events.
Hell Mia remembers LESS than her and she didn't use drugs.
This is honestly something that pisses me off in the writing.


But the brain damage does have an impact on cognitive functions, she is fogged up and looks for gratification, this leads to several issues.
Look at the work stuff with Jared, she is trying to get self worth and trying to give back something to MC (which doesn't need any of that), she is chasing the gratification of being able to give back to MC AND improve her own self worth.
Not a good choice and she knew it, esle she wouldn't have snuck around, but the promises of gratification and the compliments about her work made sense in her head.

This is where all her friends suck, even where MC sucks, they should have put their foot down with her.
But here's the thing, MC knows Lacey very well, in one of the first messages with Mia he states: only Lacey control Lacey.
That is true all around, any sort of control she gives away is on her accord (this is why the college events with Mia are even worse).

The reason Lacey comes back are several:
- She always wanted to come back
- At some point she realized she cound't come back because she let herself become an awful human being
- She discovers that pain helps in combination with Anna calling
- She hears for the first time that MC needed her and this is very important to her (at that point she didn't realize how much he damaged him, she doesn't realize almost for most of act 1)

Edit to answer your edit: she has several relapses during senior year, a few more before getting married and then 3 while married
 
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I've just had a thought if taking all that ketamine affected her decision making and knowing what's right and what's wrong and so on and so forth

When she gets that call to prompts her to leave Issac and come home to the MC - just how did she make/come to that decision like how would she of known that was the right thing to do at that time as surely that would of already been in place at this stage , and we know it wouldn't of been Mia that pushed her to go to the MC as she hated him at that stage

So the more that I think about it when she was running around and doing all her stupid shit in act 1 the "brain damage" appears to be a very convenient way to fuck around and not find out as she can just blame on the brain damage

Edit: also with the "brain damage" given everything that has happened as an outcome of it , I would of expected her relapses to be higher than three now that I think about it
Short answer, she is even more dependent on MC than ketamine, obviously in unhealthy ways.

And yes, she had more than three relapses, she “only” had three since they were married or moved in together
 
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The MC bad mostly for himself, I agree, he needs help, he is not equipped to deal with the stuff he is going through, add the PTSD and you're fried, PTSD needs medication, period.
He gives himself freely even to his worst enemies if they need help (Christine, Isaac are examples).
But when it comes from himself he is just self destructive.

I don't have a problem with him saying that he cares for other people, such as Anna.
The problem I have is how fucking creepy and gross he is in his flirting with other people such as Beth and Jeanette.
With Jeanette it started reallly tame and he kept it professional, to the point of deceiving himself that their dinner was professional only.

Unlike you I don't condone Lacey, she wanted to try and stand on her own two feet, same as MC she should have professional help.
She only made the situation worse and everyone has paid the consequences, suicide wasn't on the table at first.
Ketamine was a wonder drug for her, it actually works against depression, in clinical treatments you get a few mg in IV, she tought she found a solution.
She found a crutch (cit.) that embarassed her and made her even worse.

I understand why she did what she did, but condoning? no, especially because she dragged many people down with her.
Does that make her an evil bitch that needs to be killed on sight? absolutely not, I feel bad for her, mainly for her struggle to try and get back on the horse and mend things that she pulverized.
She really wants that, she has a lot of regret, but neither of these things will help her.

About the monster part I agree, I feel it was unneccessary to the story, there was already a lot to dive in, many things to face, such as the new discoveries about her time in college.

So I kinda agree with you.



Most of the women rotating around MC are not introduced by Lacey, only Mia and Veronica.
I am not sure we can call all these women unstable.

She meets the other women first to be sure they are not a threat, second to see if her plan could go though, like with Jeanette.

MC thinks often about pseudo dates on his own, Jeanette, Mia and Anna are examples.
Throw Bethany and Jamie in too.

To the point where Lacey didn't even know he was going and latches on to make her usual "threat check".

It is very well explained on why she does this, she wants to "control" the situation so that she knows they would not hurt MC and possibly put themselves between him and her.



As usual you are very right, we know her reasons, we understand, not justify.
People are digging to find dirt when most of the dirt is already piled on behind them.
Looking for stuff without trying to understand the character fully.
And I don't think understanding her will automatically mean that you will like her, your feelings might stay the same, but at least for the right reasons.


Now an important question:
How many correct answers did you all have in the truth or lie game? I managed only 10/11 (fuck you Veronica).
Does anybody notice something weird about Veronica in the game by the pool?
What did i miss with veronica in the pool?
 

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What did i miss with veronica in the pool?
Are you ready for some speculation? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

I think Veronica is asking some questions on purpose and then acting shocked, she almost get a higher count than Mia.
And THEN she loudly underlines how she fucked up, if you do a faux pas you don't underline it, you need to move away from it gracefully.
She underlines how awful the situation is both times, once even pulling MC in.
Ok this could be a fault of the writing, but it sparked a couple of questions in my mind.


I think I played that specific part around 30 times already.
 
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