I’ll see what the consensus is, even coming hope for lunch, that does give us about a 4 hour time window
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Ok..lot to unpack...doing all in one post then not spamming forum replies:
However, I'll reiterate, if we are using her 'weird' moments as K use....then there are a whole lot of other times she is 'weird, cold, distant and a little not herself....we either to have to apply the same logic to each time...or we don't at all (and while accept pychosis and episodes to long term extreme use, I'll defer to more knowledgable folk here)...surely those would be happening far more often no? So again, are they pychosis episodes...if so, we apply them evenly when she is acting cold/odd, or we don't. I think 'cherry picking' when she is having them...is weak logic, for me.
Not at a club. When you get up 'to dance'...you can be there a while through multiple songs.
When isn't she huh?
This is fair.
They don't. So again, how do they know?
Not a bad point at all.
This can definitely hold water as a theory yes.
HMMMMMMMMMMM.....this...is a good one Crysus....vely vely good indeed....will think of this one more....however, this 'use' doesn't line up with the sweater...or does it?
Hmmm possible yes, lot of holes in it though given her dialogue...
Right, me neither. However, it's clear she wakes up and immediately sees the MC next to her and 'wakes him and drops to her knees'....however, yes I'll accept the possibility she could have woke up...maybe still upset/annoyed...noticed the MC, had her usual succubus oh you came back shit...took K...then got back into bed. The dialogue is very explicit (I can't deny this) that evcen the BJ is weird and has the MC confused as hell.
However, I'll reiterate, if we are using her 'weird' moments as K use....then there are a whole lot of other times she is 'weird, cold, distant and a little not herself....we either to have to apply the same logic to each time...or we don't at all (and while accept pychosis and episodes to long term extreme use, I'll defer to more knowledgable folk here)...surely those would be happening far more often no? So again, are they pychosis episodes...if so, we apply them evenly when she is acting cold/odd, or we don't. I think 'cherry picking' when she is having them...is weak logic, for me.
Me too, but they got together a couple of times more after the first, and always when MC wasn't around.
Let's assume it happened while MC works during the weekends, I think it is stated that Lacey cannot work from home.
(Anna and the pimp made her leave her workplace in act 2, wouldn't she get some work hours deducted? wtf)
Jared gained those info from Christine, it is stated, she would gather info from MC or Jeanette and then report them to her uncle.I don't think we ever got confirmation that this was Jared's doing, only the MC's assumption. I like to play with the idea that FV was playing a long game, saw the chaos of the Jared situation and decided to seize the opportunity and stir the pot and send Barty, Lorenzo and Isaac round. Also makes sense to me, as FV has access and a lot of inside information, but where would Jared have know about Barty or Lorenzo?
This is just a bit of a plot hole, we see how much MC has a thirst for truth, he opens little bitch without hesitation.
The fact that Mc knows there are videos of his wife on the net and never ever mentions it again is fucking weird, in my rewrite it is one of the things he mentions often when he unloads on Lacey.
Unless it will be used now, it is a big missted story wise, and even if it is used now, the fact that the info fell into oblivion is just not great.
I don't know, the other side has to be more a self destructive or self hating side for me, we won't know until we discover it.
The fact is that the city where MC lives in seems to be a major city, major enough to have a NFL team and several big companies.This idea got me way to excited. Same with when you mentioned spring break a while back
It is not a stretch to think that people would visit the branches of their companies in big cities, I do it all the time.
So stephen could simply be met randomly OR contact the pimp OR contact Lacey (Lacey would say no to a meeting at this stage).
I have plenty of things to relay to him, especially because I can be easily misunderstood since I know my communication registry is kinda intense at times.
But I always assumed his silence as unwillingness or absence of interest to participate in the discussion so I respected that.
I have several private conversations with other developers, but they were always sort of willing and engaged.
This is a great theory, so Barty (if it is Barty, I hope and think that it is not him and Lacey was just too blitzed to recognize it) came over even after the whole Jared thing and after he helped with delivering incriminating videos of the hot tub.
Interesting.
From the dialogues I cannot see her using during the morning, she gives the BJ and then goes immediately to shower.
What could have happened which you mention is that she calls Anna about going to play tennis, in fact she mentions that Anna doesn't want to play anymore.
Anna notices something is wrong, calls the pimp and the rest is history.
Still a bit flimsy, but works.
Why is it flimsy? because the pimp is fine giving these grand lessons to MC but never mentions Lacey being still addicted or that she used, she never does, in none of the 1 to 1 convo they have.
Why is this a bigger secret? Why doesn't Mc have the right to know?
I know she is a failed character but damn, give me some consistency here.
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I understood that, as her knowing Lacey was using behind his back. And if more about the Barty meeting was revealed, he would find out about the drug. Both her and Anna seem hellbent to keep him in the dark about the drug.
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Diosvincenccio I don't think the pimp knew about the use that led to the Barty video?
M "To say I'm confused is an understatement."
M "Can you please explain this to us?"
M "Because you told me in no uncertain terms that you had no relationship with your landlord."
M "I swore to [MCFirst] that you didn't and now I look like I did exactly what he thinks I did."
M "That I was lying and covering-up for you."
M "So tell me, what the fuck did I just see?"
L "I don't know what to tell you."
L "I don't remember that."
L "I mean, I kind of remember something..."
L "I remember the camera... I remember Barty..."
L "I remember him calling me names..."
L "And him degrading me... And me crying..."
L "I remember him telling me to look at the camera... and to talk to the camera..."
L "And him telling me that I'm the same girl I always was..."
at least it doesn't seem like it to me.
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I find the opposite more likely. Her somehow contacting Mia under the influence and then Mia calls Anna to help with damage control. Anna has no experience with druggie Lacey (to our knowledge). Doubt she could have known from a short call. Lacey was very coherent after all.
So Mia calls Anna because she is much better gaslighter than the dumb bitch, rushes to the apt and Anna comes shortly after.
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Given who she has fucked, this really is an utterly meaningless statement lol.
Why would she call the pimp? When?
The day before just after she used or after the high? why isn't the pimp there then?
Both pimp and Anna do not know that Mc is at home that morning.
Lacey is "disassociated" and wants to go play tennis, again why would she call the pimp for that? she has no idea that she is doing something wrong, why would she call her pimp?
She doesn't care about being discovered because she is still sort of fucked up, she doesn't even register the fact.
Remember Barty tried to SA Lacey, this could be the big point of the oh fuck.
Makes way more sense since the video and all is just an added plotline for act 2 and makes no sense coming from act 1.
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I wanted to post it so we have some sort of proof of the relapse and others knowing about it. Mia knew something related to the relapse and that Barty scene not being so tame as told to MC. So i guess she knew something happened with Barty (the interview?) even if she wasnt exactly sure what.
Then in the deepfake, she dosent find incoherent that Lacey fucked Barty, what finds strange is the conversation while doing it. So i guess she did believe Barty and Lacey did had some action while under the influence.
Alright, after reviewing the dialogue again, I think I noticed some things that changes my perspective on these events
So this opens up the possibility that she might have used again this early. Originally, I took the "MC and I were struggling because of my bad choices" to mean that it was after all the shit happened. However, MC's feelings and the Mia texts were also due to Lacey's "bad choices". MC makes a note to himself literally right before the Barty thing to suggest it
The "I started to realize that he wasn't the person I thought he was" really makes me think that it would have been when Barty "tried to be with her". I'm not sure. It's written very vaguely, but it would fit if it were here.
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So this opens up the possibility that she might have used again this early. Originally, I took the "MC and I were struggling because of my bad choices" to mean that it was after all the shit happened. However, MC's feelings and the Mia texts were also due to Lacey's "bad choices". MC makes a note to himself literally right before the Barty thing to suggest it
The "I started to realize that he wasn't the person I thought he was" really makes me think that it would have been when Barty "tried to be with her". I'm not sure. It's written very vaguely, but it would fit if it were here.
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And why would that be a big secret that MC should be kept in the dark about at all costs? Shouldn't he know his wife is in actual danger by their landlord? That he casually lets in their home all the time? What's the reasoning for this big secret?
There is too much nonsense with the Barty plot.
edit : about calling Mia instead, I don't know man, maybe she was looking for a tennis partner. I just find it very strange how Anna was so familiar and well prepared to deal with this. Mia would have made sense but not her.
I agree, I have no 100% answers for you.
The pimp is dropping bombs on MC and then she thinks that this kind of info is bad?
Even the fact that Lacey got SAd in the showers is kept as a secret.
The first thing I would do when something like that happens would be to tell my SO.
My speculation is:
We can excuse the SA thing because Lacey is hiding that she is going to tennis with dumb and dumber.
Barty could be explained because she doesn't want MC to know about her past, at that time she doesn't know the pimp is trying to fuck her marriage, so she doesn't know that MC knows about college.
Barty comes over because she saw the videos etc.
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Yeah it's true that the love bombs is what made her wonder wtf was Lacey doing, not the sex itself. Which makes sense because she has seen her fucking everything with a dick in that college.
The problem is that Lacey wasn't supposed to be remembering the interview. And Mia could have only found out about it from her back then.
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Lacey could have told the pimp that she used, that barty came home and that she dosent remember anything else. Leting her form her own conclusions. That would support her reaction to the deepfake.
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It really makes zero sense, at all, why pimp and Anna suddenly turned up.
Wait..when is this dialogue? *checks script*
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more lies succubus...more lies.....
(this also ties into the 'interview/sweater being early Act 1).
Edit: Also...I found a stash and a bump...this refers to more than just K. What did she find, where did it come from? Barty perhaps planted both?
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While true, the reaction to the deepfake could have been also from the original plot point, that Barty came and proposed.
So I think it is still inconclusive somehow.
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Or as I said about about an hour ago.....the real K succubus is exactly like she was in the video and with Bastion. Mia just deflected in front of the others. Again. That is the 'other self'.
Again, why would 'fans' have a website to 'rate the perfomrmance' of a drugged up, quiet, comotose girl (to paraphrase Mia's words)? We all know the answer if we're being honest with ourselves.
No no, there was no comatose girl, I pointed it out beforehand, which also doesn't make much sense for someone VERY blitzed on K that doesn't remember things but hear me out:
You do not get good at sex just by doing it, if I went around and get to fuck 2000 women just by humping them like a dog I don't magically become a sex god.
You need to put effort, and that is what she did, she put effort in learning to deepthroat, she put effort in learning how to relax to get anally fucked or fisted regularly (protip, be careful, there can be complications if you don't let your ass "heal") and she put effort in learning what to say to men.
She specifically says this when justifying the Damian aberration "I know men like to be complimented".
She was learning and putting effort in it, does it match the pimp last lesson? no.
Does it match someone that doesn't recall half of the time that she used? not really, she doesn't remember but the rest becomes mucle memory? come on.
So even if we move her learning towards the first and second phase, it would mean that she didn't use much K or not use at all when she was having sex and then applied that knowledge to phase 3.
i don't think the disgusting pimp (I just went some of her dialogues and my god what a disgusting human being the author conjured up) ever talked about a "comatose" girl but her recount as usual, to Al.d chagrin is all over the place.
M "She's high and drunk."
M "Mugging for the camera."
M "Doesn't even really know what she's doing."
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M "But you know what? The ketamine didn't turn you into a different person."
M "It made you feel comfortable enough in your own skin, to be the person you were."
M "The stuff you said in that video, that's not the kind of stuff you said back then."
M "K mostly made you quiet and compliant."
M "It made it seem like you just didn't care what was happening."
M "You certainly weren't going around professing your love for these people."
M "But in this one, you sure were talking up a fucking storm."
Which is which? The only thing we have to compare is the damian incident, so I think the second one is more "realistic".
Obviously some times she could have taken more and the last lesson shows the last parties before she sobered up (obviously against the pimp will so she dragged her down again), so it could be that things were getting progressively worse.
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It is simpler than that, Lacey calls Anna to ask her to go play tennis, Anna tells her she is out of her mind and she doesn't want to play anymore anyway, Lacey says she is going, maybe Anna notices that Lacey is weird.
Anna calls the pimp as emergency contact, Pimp either fills Anna in or simply tell her to move her ass and get to Mc place, they arrive.
In my mind this is the easiest way things could have unfolded, no need to rack our brains about things like how did Anna know, who knows or whatever.
Simple is better.
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