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Anna did tell MC about the tennis thing though. She didn't know Lacey hadn't told him already.

"I could see Lacey's face turn fearful when Anna started saying what she was about to."
A "It's just the four of us."
MC "Wait what?"
MC "Four... including you two?"
A "Yes."

A "Oh Lacey."
A "You didn't tell him it was just the four of us?"
L "I..."
M "Are you fucking serious Lacey?"

Everyone knew about Damian. Everyone told Lacey NOT to do it, and she'd only just said she would avoid doing stupid things by listening to her friends. Everyone was aware of Mia's plan even if they didn't approve. But it says something that even Lacey's 'ride or die' is pulling stupid plans against her.



I think protege is overstating it. More like role model for Lacey. And Veronica was blackmailed. If you are coerced into something then you aren't willing.



Anna was explicitly against cucking him. They want to fix his self esteem, Lacey is just doing a shit job.



MC picks Lacey's side. There is no side for Anna to pick until he gets his head straight. She could do all those things and it would have made no difference other than to alienate MC.

MC is seemingly always going to forgive Lacey no matter what, unless its so bad he commits suicide or something.



In that very conversation she tells Lacey that MC is not a computer to be reprogrammed. Neither Anna or even Mia agrees with Lacey. They just realise they can't stop her.



She warned him. She also told him about the tennis dates. She had assumed MC already knew.

A "I'm intrigued, I didn't know a position was open in Jared's department."
"By saying that Anna signaled me to be on my guard."



MC also knew about the drugs and failed to act properly. Though perhaps warning Lacey indirectly was barely enough.



She didn't hide it, but she did destroy the recording.



Was that Mia? Apparently she can charm anyone somehow if she feels like it.



She saved MCs life. Maintained her friendship with him, even after finding out he was pretty messed up, even after being rejected. I think that counts for quite a lot.




I'm willing to give the author a bit more leeway if the intent is clear. Otherwise I don't know how I would enjoy the story.



Sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes quitting is harder than continuing if it would mean admitting you messed up. I'm sure there was continual manipulation going on as well.



MC already suspected but she did point him in the right direction.

V "Maybe he has some dirt on someone high up?"

She was trying to protect Lacey. She just wasn't going after Jared.

V "Just know that I'm doing everything I can to shield her from Jared."
"So, she's protecting Lacey, but can't directly go after Jared."

He did threaten her. Over the phone, which isn't very effective. So she shared how she was being blackmailed. But in the end when he asked for help all he said was:

"There's always a way."
"And there it is..."
MC "Veronica?"
V "Yes?"
MC "Will you help me save my wife?"
V "..."
V "Yes."



Yeah, maybe. I was surprised she deleted it. If Anna is at fault though then so is Lacey for manipulating her feelings again.



I don't think it would be right to constantly be walking on eggshells around him. If we're talking awkward conversations they are both at fault for some of them. They just had their roles reversed, they are figuring things out.



Well its certainly weird.

But like a lot of stuff, its written to drive drama, when its not just full blown porn logic. A more realistic story would be a lot more boring.

I think you guys do make good points that I can't rebut like the marketing party week. But why didn't MC reach out to Anna or Mia then? Just feels like flaw to me more than them deciding to avoid him because if MC reached out to Anna I just don't see her ignoring him. Lacey manipulating Anna into not reaching out first? Maybe.
The cucking convo concludes with her supporting Lacey's plan. Actually she even makes sure to rope Mia back in, who wanted to wash her hands of it, using plural. No matter what mental gymnastics you want to do, the text is what it is.

I get the confusion though tbh. The game refuses to acknowledge Anna's shit, so you never see a character highlighting it. But if you see her actions through the lens of someone who supposedly loves and wants to protect MC, she can never be seen as anything other than a snake.
 

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Anna did tell MC about the tennis thing though. She didn't know Lacey hadn't told him already.

"I could see Lacey's face turn fearful when Anna started saying what she was about to."
A "It's just the four of us."
MC "Wait what?"
MC "Four... including you two?"
A "Yes."

A "Oh Lacey."
A "You didn't tell him it was just the four of us?"
L "I..."
M "Are you fucking serious Lacey?"
Except, she doesn't, she goes to the tennis dates knowing that E and J are there to try and take advantage of her, yet never notifies MC, for weeks even when both J and E are acting like dorks.
MC has to discover about it by happenstance, then Anna spills the beans.


Everyone knew about Damian. Everyone told Lacey NOT to do it, and she'd only just said she would avoid doing stupid things by listening to her friends. Everyone was aware of Mia's plan even if they didn't approve. But it says something that even Lacey's 'ride or die' is pulling stupid plans against her.
A "Okay. We'll do our best to support you."
A "I just hope you're right."

This is not telling Lacey not to do it, the opposition is weak and actually supportive, again MC is not notified by Anna immediately.

I think protege is overstating it. More like role model for Lacey. And Veronica was blackmailed. If you are coerced into something then you aren't willing.
They mean that Lacey is Veronica protege, even if blackmailed she could have told MC the situation, she doesn't and keep on not telling him until discovered and threatened.
The threats come after Lacey is willing to commit suicide, Veronica doesn't do shit until caught.

Anna was explicitly against cucking him. They want to fix his self esteem, Lacey is just doing a shit job.

A "Okay. We'll do our best to support you."
A "I just hope you're right."

This is not being against it.
And yeah, Lacey is not doing well.

MC picks Lacey's side. There is no side for Anna to pick until he gets his head straight. She could do all those things and it would have made no difference other than to alienate MC.

MC is seemingly always going to forgive Lacey no matter what, unless its so bad he commits suicide or something.
This is not true, and misses the point imo, Anna could have done much more for MC, by simply telling him the truth in several occasions.

In that very conversation she tells Lacey that MC is not a computer to be reprogrammed. Neither Anna or even Mia agrees with Lacey. They just realise they can't stop her.
They can't stop her? I am not sure, they didn't try.
Anna tried harder in the lorenzo event than this.
Still, they could have warned MC.

She warned him. She also told him about the tennis dates. She had assumed MC already knew.

A "I'm intrigued, I didn't know a position was open in Jared's department."
"By saying that Anna signaled me to be on my guard."
Tennis dates I already touched upon, Anna knows the Lacey plan to "seduce" Jared for the job, she doesn't tell anything to MC.

MC also knew about the drugs and failed to act properly. Though perhaps warning Lacey indirectly was barely enough.
MC has been properly destroyed by your truly plenty of times in this thread, him being a weak willed and shitty person doesn't make Anna less guilty.

She didn't hide it, but she did destroy the recording.
Yup, bad bad bad.

Was that Mia? Apparently she can charm anyone somehow if she feels like it.
Yeah, which is very weird since she is portrayed as having a very polarizing personality.

She saved MCs life. Maintained her friendship with him, even after finding out he was pretty messed up, even after being rejected. I think that counts for quite a lot.
It does count, doesn't cancel how she is acting now.

I'm willing to give the author a bit more leeway if the intent is clear. Otherwise I don't know how I would enjoy the story.
Yes and no, I hope the author takes these talks as constructive criticism and fix some stuff.

Sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes quitting is harder than continuing if it would mean admitting you messed up. I'm sure there was continual manipulation going on as well.
Fair poin, I fail to see how this improve her position.

MC already suspected but she did point him in the right direction.

V "Maybe he has some dirt on someone high up?"

She was trying to protect Lacey. She just wasn't going after Jared.

V "Just know that I'm doing everything I can to shield her from Jared."
"So, she's protecting Lacey, but can't directly go after Jared."

He did threaten her. Over the phone, which isn't very effective. So she shared how she was being blackmailed. But in the end when he asked for help all he said was:

"There's always a way."
"And there it is..."
MC "Veronica?"
V "Yes?"
MC "Will you help me save my wife?"
V "..."
V "Yes."
Any threats done by MC feel like a joke, he is constantly shown as harmless unless it is to beat a 50 pound woman, I agree.
If Veronica would have been more forthcoming, a lot of damage could have been avoided, MC has to deduce and lose a lot of time due to her.
She does help in the end.


Yeah, maybe. I was surprised she deleted it. If Anna is at fault though then so is Lacey for manipulating her feelings again.
Nobody is saying Lacey is innocent, she is a menace in act 1.

I don't think it would be right to constantly be walking on eggshells around him. If we're talking awkward conversations they are both at fault for some of them. They just had their roles reversed, they are figuring things out.
I am sorry, but just no, you don't put your frustrations on someone else who is just picking an opportunity fair and square.
As I said, this is minor, but makes you wonder about her maturity and what would happen if the stakes would be higher.

Well its certainly weird.

But like a lot of stuff, its written to drive drama, when its not just full blown porn logic. A more realistic story would be a lot more boring.

I think you guys do make good points that I can't rebut like the marketing party week. But why didn't MC reach out to Anna or Mia then? Just feels like flaw to me more than them deciding to avoid him because if MC reached out to Anna I just don't see her ignoring him. Lacey manipulating Anna into not reaching out first? Maybe.
I completely understand trying to drive drama and the narration, it is fine.
It is less fine when half your cast end up looking like unlikeable POS tho.

MC is a witness, he doesn't act, and at that time was convinced that the late nights were asked by Veronica so he was being supportive...

We make good points because we spent too much time reading the script and analizyng it haha.
 

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And tell me...when does this conversation take place hmmm? I'll wait for your answer. :sneaky:

L "I'll get him through all of it, even if I have to carry him on my back."
M "Fine."
A "Okay. We'll do our best to support you."



It's obvious you wish to play devil's advocate, and that's fine...but if going to try and prove facts...

Do better and pay more attention....
It takes place right before Lacey's trip. I assume she explaining her stupid plan and the initial response is:

L "So, now do you understand?"
M "Yeah, I guess I do."
M "Sort of, but..."
M "I really think you shouldn't do this."
A "I have serious reservations."

This isn't exactly an endorsement. Anna sounds pessimistic, and for good reason.

A "Okay. We'll do our best to support you."
A "I just hope you're right."

And I assume she means 'right' about it helping him. Not that doing it is anything like a good idea.

And maybe they should have both immediately gone to MC and begged him not to be an idiot. Maybe that would have worked. OK, they probably should have tried exactly that. I'm pretty sure Lacey would have gotten her way in the end regardless though.

I am playing devils advocate a little. I also desire a positive story outcome.

The cucking convo concludes with her supporting Lacey's plan. Actually she even makes sure to rope Mia back in, who wanted to wash her hands of it, using plural. No matter what mental gymnastics you want to do, the text is what it is.

I get the confusion though tbh. The game refuses to acknowledge Anna's shit, so you never see a character highlighting it. But if you see her actions through the lens of someone who supposedly loves and wants to protect MC, she can never be seen as anything other than a snake.
Same reply as above I guess.

And yes, sometimes it does feel like Anna is more Lacey's friend first sometimes rather than MC. But I don't recall Anna being directly unkind to MC compared to the sheer hatred she has directed at Lacey on MCs behalf. It seems contradictory.
 

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Except, she doesn't, she goes to the tennis dates knowing that E and J are there to try and take advantage of her, yet never notifies MC, for weeks even when both J and E are acting like dorks.
MC has to discover about it by happenstance, then Anna spills the beans.
Nah, to me Anna definitely spilled the beans on purpose here. MC didn't realise that it was just the 4 of them until she did.

A "I was telling Lacey the same thing earlier today about tennis."
MC "Was Evan being rude then too?"
A "Him and Jared."
MC "And nobody else says anything when they do this?"
A "I don't understand, who are you talking about?"
MC "The rest of the tennis group."
"I could see Lacey's face turn fearful when Anna started saying what she was about to."
A "It's just the four of us."


They mean that Lacey is Veronica protege, even if blackmailed she could have told MC the situation, she doesn't and keep on not telling him until discovered and threatened.
The threats come after Lacey is willing to commit suicide, Veronica doesn't do shit until caught.
Protégé would mean Veronica was directly teaching her until now. I don't think they had that relationship. Lacey just looked up to her as someone to aspire to.

"Plus I heard through the grapevine that Lacey's manager Veronica was a role model for Lacey."
"Lacey mentioned many times that she was someone she admired."

Lacey still hid the 'job opportunity' from her though.

They can't stop her? I am not sure, they didn't try.
Anna tried harder in the lorenzo event than this.
Still, they could have warned MC.
Yes.

MC is a witness, he doesn't act, and at that time was convinced that the late nights were asked by Veronica so he was being supportive...
He does act sometimes. He did deal with Jared in the end. He does have the odd revelation and becomes determined etc. It just never lasts.
Didn't he lose his shit at one point and say something like "don't think, you're bad at it, just do as I say". I couldn't find the quote but I wish he could maintain a bit of that energy.
 
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It takes place right before Lacey's trip.
Right....so...you're defending Anna again. This convo takes place (as per original script)...two months....after they started (playing twice a week)....two...months...after. No defence here from Anna, especially when it is accidentally slipped, not intentionally told...when it should have been originally! No excuse. I really hope you don't have friends like that.
I am playing devils advocate a little
A lot. And incorrectly most of the time. Like I said before, sure it can be fun, but not when you state incorrect facts so wildly incorrectly from the actual facts we have told you again and again and try to claim them as factual (not even tongue in cheek...I'd accept that). When you continue to defend your stance (like you just have with me, again), that's not playing advocate....

...that's being obstinate purely for the sake of it.
 
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Same reply as above I guess.

And yes, sometimes it does feel like Anna is more Lacey's friend first sometimes rather than MC. But I don't recall Anna being directly unkind to MC compared to the sheer hatred she has directed at Lacey on MCs behalf. It seems contradictory.
But that's exactly why I call her a snake. She is quick to preach about Lacey when MC is present, but she does the opposite behind his back. She has consistently been an accomplice to Lacey's shit.

I don't need to directly rob a house to be an accomplice to robbery. If I'm keeping guard outside, while the others are robbing it, I'm getting my ass arrested too. Anna has been a willing accomplice to tennis dates, Jared, morning K use, cuck brainwash plan, Issac visit. Always running cover for Lacey. And the one time MC grows balls and decides to leave it all behind and divorce, she ropes him back in on Lacey's behalf.

If my closest friend was like that, I'd go hang out with my enemies.
 

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InactiveK, while AL.d and Maviarab are harsher than me in their judgement of Anna, the points they make are undeniable....

The issue is always the same I think, the character behaviour and their description do not match.

So you are left holding the candle, because you want to reconcile what Anna is said to be with what is shown and it is impossible.

This is a flaw that is perpetrated through the whole game.
 

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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. When I complained about Anna it was certain instances where she neglected MC or failed to act. I'm not OK with that. I just don't believe she is out to harm MC like you say when calling her evil or a snake. I just don't agree, even if I can agree on some individual points.

@InactiveK, while AL.d and Maviarab are harsher than me in their judgement of Anna, the points they make are undeniable....
Well certain people made personal attacks and then edited away the worst of them. You want a echo chamber dead thread, then that's how you do it, have fun with that. I'll be back for act 3 regardless though.
 

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I just don't believe she is out to harm MC like you say
She may not be intentionally wanting to...but every action of hers does...just like the succubus. Harm by complete inaction, is still a thing.
You want a echo chamber dead thread, then that's how you do it
Does this appear to be a dead thread? No. Have you noticed that even the regular posters, very often disagree with each other?
 
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. When I complained about Anna it was certain instances where she neglected MC or failed to act. I'm not OK with that. I just don't believe she is out to harm MC like you say when calling her evil or a snake. I just don't agree, even if I can agree on some individual points.
Nah, if it was malice at least it would be interesting and beliable, it would be greedy and well, human. Now, as it is presented like this, its a mess. Wrong actions for very weak reasons, thats why i always find Anna quite contradictory. She is supossed to be a smart one, yet she does really dumb things sometimes. Thats why i always say that the Dev made dirty to her, she sacrificed a lot to get almost nothing out of MC or Lacey, she is presented in a clean respectable way yet some of her actions are really bad. Its like the Dev forgot what was supposed to be her role.
 

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Well certain people made personal attacks and then edited away the worst of them. You want a echo chamber dead thread, then that's how you do it, have fun with that. I'll be back for act 3 regardless though.
I am sorry to hear that, I enjoyed discussing with you, if it makes you feel any better, I often disagree with Maviarab and AL.d, especially about Lacey.

Actually, it is quite strange that AL.d and I agree on something.

Like full on war even in DMs hahaha.

So don't be discouraged, I understood your point, and I hope you will come back with some more!
 
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This couple...JFC. WTF is Lacey's actual problem. She basically FORCES her husband to have sex with another girl and then when she meets her she starts throwing insults and accusations around???? This story is absolutely insane and yet I can't pull away from it. That's not how people in open marriages act. If my wife did that I'd be walking out the door and never looking back. She told him to do it, she practically forced him. How the fuck can she think it's ok to freak out at Kelly like that??? OK back to the story LOL
 

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This couple...JFC. WTF is Lacey's actual problem. She basically FORCES her husband to have sex with another girl and then when she meets her she starts throwing insults and accusations around???? This story is absolutely insane and yet I can't pull away from it. That's not how people in open marriages act. If my wife did that I'd be walking out the door and never looking back. She told him to do it, she practically forced him. How the fuck can she think it's ok to freak out at Kelly like that??? OK back to the story LOL
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Welcome to the train wreck...allll aboooaaaarrrrd :WeSmart:
 

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Nah, if it was malice at least it would be interesting and beliable, it would be greedy and well, human. Now, as it is presented like this, its a mess. Wrong actions for very weak reasons, thats why i always find Anna quite contradictory. She is supossed to be a smart one, yet she does really dumb things sometimes. Thats why i always say that the Dev made dirty to her, she sacrificed a lot to get almost nothing out of MC or Lacey, she is presented in a clean respectable way yet some of her actions are really bad. Its like the Dev forgot what was supposed to be her role.
If the way she's written is intentional, then I can only think she is the same type of extremely selfish bitch that Lacey and Mia are. The only explanation I can give for her contradictions, is that she would do anything to keep MC around. He has expressed his desire to leave everything behind in his breakdowns and fuck off. So keeping him chained there, even to Lacey, is her ultimate goal. Those three being different flavors of the same mentally unstable bitch, would kinda explain how they are such close friends. When they should be hating each other instead.

But her writing not being intentional is also a strong possibility. Writer having her personality concept in his head, but never stopping to think the full weight of the situations he is actually putting her in the story. In that case the character is fucked. No way to fix what's done to her, unless she is rewritten to be oblivious to all those things she was actively involved in. Practically deleting her from more than half of the scenes she is in....
 

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Okay, Augusta's Home For Wayward Girls is completed and in beta right now. Mainly just finding last minute spelling errors and ensuring all the variables kick off properly.

So... what's the important note you ask? Please keep your expectations very, very low. It will save you from disappointment with this announcement. Since I now have an Nvidia 5090, which has 32GB of RAM, I "barely" have enough video ram to attempt low resolution videos in stable diffusion. It is a giant pain in the ass. Even at a resolution of 720p, I run out of memory 50% of the time. 1080p is not possible without 48+GB. I don't have funds to purchase a $6000 video card for that. AI upscaling looks awful on AI videos, so I don't use it. Which is super strange, but it is what it is. On top of it taking dozens of attempts at getting a video that doesn't suck. I spent the last two weeks creating the three videos that are in the game. Each video is about 10-15 seconds in length. None of them are hardcore sex videos. They're all just to show off the pretty girls a bit. As I learn how to do this, I might be able to add more spicy stuff for the next release.

I have elected to make the videos view if you choose. So, you don't have to see them if you don't want. The good thing is, it does bring the characters to life a bit. The scenes that have them will show a "Play Video" box in the upper right corner and an "X" for skipping in the bottom right corner.

If I get enough positive response from them. I will attempt to add the occasional video into Love & Jealousy. I don't think I have the strength to go back and make videos for the existing story, but if time permits, I might go back and sprinkle a couple in. No promises.

See you in a couple days after the beta testing is done.
 

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Okay, Augusta's Home For Wayward Girls is completed and in beta right now. Mainly just finding last minute spelling errors and ensuring all the variables kick off properly.

So... what's the important note you ask? Please keep your expectations very, very low. It will save you from disappointment with this announcement. Since I now have an Nvidia 5090, which has 32GB of RAM, I "barely" have enough video ram to attempt low resolution videos in stable diffusion. It is a giant pain in the ass. Even at a resolution of 720p, I run out of memory 50% of the time. 1080p is not possible without 48+GB. I don't have funds to purchase a $6000 video card for that. AI upscaling looks awful on AI videos, so I don't use it. Which is super strange, but it is what it is. On top of it taking dozens of attempts at getting a video that doesn't suck. I spent the last two weeks creating the three videos that are in the game. Each video is about 10-15 seconds in length. None of them are hardcore sex videos. They're all just to show off the pretty girls a bit. As I learn how to do this, I might be able to add more spicy stuff for the next release.

I have elected to make the videos view if you choose. So, you don't have to see them if you don't want. The good thing is, it does bring the characters to life a bit. The scenes that have them will show a "Play Video" box in the upper right corner and an "X" for skipping in the bottom right corner.

If I get enough positive response from them. I will attempt to add the occasional video into Love & Jealousy. I don't think I have the strength to go back and make videos for the existing story, but if time permits, I might go back and sprinkle a couple in. No promises.

See you in a couple days after the beta testing is done.
Thanks Milton (y)
 
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For some reason i don't get the Bethany lunch date even though i picked the option for it. Has it been removed?
Checked the thread for clues, so either i'm blind or i'm the only one that managed to bug this shit out
 

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For some reason i don't get the Bethany lunch date even though i picked the option for it. Has it been removed?
Checked the thread for clues, so either i'm blind or i'm the only one that managed to bug this shit out
No, you are right, the variable doesn't set up correctly, I just tried.

MC "What do you say?"
$ B_lunch01 == True
$ BETHANY_love += 10
"You feel Bethany cares for you more \n (Bethany Love = [BETHANY_love])"

After this if you check the B_lunch01 variable it will stay as false and you will skip the lunch, it has been a while, so I don't remember if I forced the value to get it, but iirc I didn't.

The variable IS checked correctly:

if B_lunch01 == True:

So I have to investigate as soon as I have time to understand what is the issue.

Edit:

Substitute this file in your GAME folder, it is a VERY crude patch but it works.
 
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