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LOL....Did we see the same scene?
All of this. She is going backwards for the sake of focrced drama...nothing to do with mental health, healing, love or anything else. She a dispicable character.
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This game in 1 sentence, from MC GUY:
Does noone learn anything ever? Yes, that's how stupid real life works, but it's not how an interesting story goes! Even with skipping most of mc-Lacey conversation it's sooooo much of the same dialogue over and over. Could be an amazing story with hot art if the dialogue was 1/4.
Does noone learn anything ever? Yes, that's how stupid real life works, but it's not how an interesting story goes! Even with skipping most of mc-Lacey conversation it's sooooo much of the same dialogue over and over. Could be an amazing story with hot art if the dialogue was 1/4.
Of course I don't say that its definitely the same story just told differently. Its just very similar in some aspects. Its my assumption, that they might have similar roots and thus similar fruits.
If this is how story develops and ends here, then may be the same idea hides behind the L&J story in general. They are both written by the same author at the same time (more or less). So I suppose that author is experiencing same emotions and same thoughts, so the creative results might also be similar.
Her painting the picture of her and the MC and other aspects of their life - yeah, it was touching.
You know they're not real people, right? Maybe it's just bad writing/storytelling? You don't try to figure out why the action movie car explodes when it rolls over. You accept that it's a bad action movie where everything has to explode.
After playing ep 2 I was enthralled. During playing ep 3 I'm completely turned off. This is the craziest writing. Every conversation is 5000 lines long, and the same as every previous conversation. It's not realistic, AND not sexy. That's not a good combination for a sexy story.
It certainly is 'a different kind of NTR story', but I don't know if it's better...
Goddamn it! Why didn't anyone tell me this earlier?
Always a possibility - but this author been able to pull of an unreliable narrator story with switching POVs which is one of the hardest (if not the hardest) literary forms to pull of successfully. I could be fooling myself but I think he's a good writer - indeed I wouldn't be playing the game otherwise because the sex scenes actually make me want to avoid sex. Could have used this game during no nut nov . . .
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About the MC cheating on Lacey, well he only does if the players chose for him to do so, Lacey gave him a 'free pass' week, so it doesn't count for cheating when your partner gives you permission, unlike the MC that repeatedly tried to rescind his agreement with her and she ignored it and went on to cuck him, the MC held on to the agreement, Lacey hadn't said her free pass only applied to Anna, so him sleeping with Kelly was still within their agreement, so it wasn't cheating, she wasn't happy about it because she felt threaten by her, but it was still within the free pass she had offered him. Outside of player decisions, the MC never cheat on Lacey. Tell me one time the MC did anything without our input that could be deemed as cheating, as in it wasn't with Lacey's consent to some degree, either specific or open ended consent.
Its not up to us to judge what happen within the confine of a marriage, so long as consent is given, we have no right to judge individuals having sex with people outside their marriage, so yes at the end of the day unless players willed it to happen the MC never cheat on Lacey, however she cheated in every ways conceivable on him, refuse to acknowledge he wanting out of the arrangement she had imposed upon him, refused to abide by the rules they both agreed to, betrayed her own claims that certain actions were reserved for him exclusively, humiliated him brutally during the live video.
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Augusta has a completely different vibe to L&J, first its a heavily supernatural narrative, second the MC of Augusta is troubled but by no mean broken, the women around him are troubled, but by no mean broken either, their are no FMC, the MC begin single and inform that he hasn't been in relationships for ages, if you go into Augusta expecting something like this, you'll be for either a rough or pleasant wake up depending on your tastes.
Augusta is far better paced than this, some drama but properly spaced between bouts of good feelings, unlike this game which just hammer you with the drama and hardly ever give us time to have good feelings. Their is also an air of mystery that is far more interesting than with this story because while here much of the mystery is basically how can a house of cards hold standing amidst an hurricane, the mystery in Augusta is in the supernatural that is the driving force of the narrative.
That's a good point.
It's true Anna sleeping with the MC was with Lacey's consent, though I'd argue it was only to sooth her guilty conscience rather than her actually wanting him to do it - we will probably disagree on that point.
However the MC (if taking the naughty boy route) gets handjobs / blowjobs outside of the free pass. It's not sex - (and not penetrative.. well... you know what I mean) but it IS cheating. I have not finished my naughty boy play through yet, but my guys been sucked off twice and has yet to tell Lacey about it. (he may do later, if so don't spoil). True that it's the player making those decisions, the only ones forced on us (so far) is Anna and Kelly - and though I'd argue Lacey's consent is questionable, it's still given.
Yep, I think the only action that is story driven to which the player has no choice to avoid is the Anna sex in the earlier chapters. Everything else, you can choose not to interact. You can turn down all of the women, keep them at respectful distance and avoid actions that would complicate the situation. This falls inline with the MCs dialogue on him just wanting to have a normal relationship with Lacey.
Everything that is pushed, is by Lacey (and some of the other girls under specifics). Every attempt to "fix" things, push encounters, "experiments", etc.. IS Lacey. Yet who has suffered the most in this all? The MC pays for every stupid decision or plan she has made, for every bad choice, for every tantrum she has, he has to solve it, fix it, pay for it, and suffer from it.
The base story without player influence to have him act outside of his character is one who doesn't interact at all with the women, doesn't want to, only wants Lacey. I think that sets a very clear issue as it concerns the story and the responsibilities of the characters which is why Lacey (and the girls at times) often end up being the problem in this whole situation. I think this is why the story gets frustrating at times when it glosses over this fact and tries to imply the MC is at fault and has issues outside of their behavior.
I am not saying he would be some picture of mental health without their actions and influence as it concerns the college days and abandonment, but he would be nowhere near the basket case he is without their direct actions in this.
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The problem is at one point we have to distinguish where our agency begins & ends, and where the MC's agency begins & ends, we are the end of the MC's agency, when given an option that we decide for the MC, you choose for the MC to act one way, you are to blame, not the MC.
Tell me if in real life you have the decision to do harm on someone or not do harm someone, are you to blame for the harm that could have happened if you chose not to commit said harm? No. If we understand the notion that we aren't the MC, but we chose for him, it mean the MC can't be held accountable for anything based on our decision making.
If this was a kinetic novel, and the choices the MC made were the ones causing him to cheat on Lacey, well he'd be accountable for that, but this isn't a kinetic novel, so the MC has only real agency when he make decisions, not when we do. See it as a form of mind control, we have the MC under the Imperius Curse, he can't be blamed for what he does when we decide.
I agree here, Lacey even says she really doesn't want to share him, it hurts her, she gets jealous, etc... but she pushes him because she says he needs to do this, he needs to hurt her (she literally says this in the dialogue if I remember right).
I believe all of those decisions are player driven though. You can avoid them which would fall inline with the base characters dialogue concerning infidelity.
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Lacey's defines cheating by mood, purpose and whether or not drugs were involved, and sometimes the only defining factor is whether or not there was penetration.
so regardless of Lacey's consent, why she consented and the agency of the player, the MC could always just argue it wasn't cheating, pick one of those variables by making a direct comparison and she would have no leg to stand on.
i know that doesn't make it right, but there is nothing right or healthy about anything that happens in this story.
with the exception of feeling up Bethany's tits, thats the righ thing to do. it was a healing moment(and now the song sexual healing is playing in my head) with a side of sex education... besides, she is a goddess and to argue with or deny her simple request is blasphemy you nay saying heathens
so regardless of Lacey's consent, why she consented and the agency of the player, the MC could always just argue it wasn't cheating, pick one of those variables by making a direct comparison and she would have no leg to stand on.
i know that doesn't make it right, but there is nothing right or healthy about anything that happens in this story.
with the exception of feeling up Bethany's tits, thats the righ thing to do. it was a healing moment(and now the song sexual healing is playing in my head) with a side of sex education... besides, she is a goddess and to argue with or deny her simple request is blasphemy you nay saying heathens
Oh boy, I love this thread. Since monkeyqueen seems to be so obsessed with the idea that everything is Captain SaveAHoe's fault and Lacey is mostly just a victim of circumstances, I've been brainstorming a little bit and want to give a little food for thought. I've created an alternate version of the current storyline. The only differences will be:
--> Captain SaveAHoe will actually seek treatment after leaving college. (please seek treatment if you suffer from a mental illness)
--> My version of Captain SaveAHoe is all out of saving hoes and is instead Red Captain (because he's mentally sane now)
--> Red Captain is eather Commander of #ShipAnna #ShipKelly or #ShipBethany
--> All previously mentioned #Ships are polar opposites of #ShipLacey as mentioned in the current storyline
--> If the reader feels particularly sadistic, Red Captain will still be married to Lacey
--> I don't endorse cheating, so my Red Captain will be solo after Graduation, but will start a relationship with Anna after dating for a while
--> All characters will basically still have the same motivations
--> I will mostly use existing material, but I will change one scene and add one completly new scene. Mostly the context will change
So, let's teach Lacey a lesson she will never forget, shall we?
--> Captain SaveAHoe will actually seek treatment after leaving college. (please seek treatment if you suffer from a mental illness)
--> My version of Captain SaveAHoe is all out of saving hoes and is instead Red Captain (because he's mentally sane now)
--> Red Captain is eather Commander of #ShipAnna #ShipKelly or #ShipBethany
--> All previously mentioned #Ships are polar opposites of #ShipLacey as mentioned in the current storyline
--> If the reader feels particularly sadistic, Red Captain will still be married to Lacey
--> I don't endorse cheating, so my Red Captain will be solo after Graduation, but will start a relationship with Anna after dating for a while
--> All characters will basically still have the same motivations
--> I will mostly use existing material, but I will change one scene and add one completly new scene. Mostly the context will change
So, let's teach Lacey a lesson she will never forget, shall we?
OK, so I'm not this update yet (man they're big) but I just thought of something that would cause an interesting dynamic in the MC's mental state. I just got to the part where Emilio openly flirted with Lacey in front of him and of course he's getting all up inside his head. The 3 girls - not Lacey should just maul him like I mean all out fucking maul him and make Lacey watch. I know he'd fight it off but it would definitely help his self esteem and I think it would turn on Lacey and piss her off at the same time. Just a thought because these people are just seriously fucked up lol
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Personally my take is that anything sexual the MC can do is something he is entitled to do. Lacey hard cheated on him, betrayed him, and what justice did he get? None, retribution? None, compensation? None. The free pass was something already bestowed upon the MC by Lacey before she hard cheated on him, only sometime later she decided what he needed in addition to a pass to fuck anyone for a week, was for her to cheat on him to prove sex with others doesn't matter.
So those handjobs and blowjobs you can get from the other girls? He earned the right for those, Lacey never gave him back anything for her hard cheating on him, sure she might have pushed him to date around some other girls, but do dating equate to cheating, betrayal & humiliation? Not remotely.
I'd argue its one of the things that has fucked the MC, the fact that after everything Lacey keep doing he never get anything back, oh he get to fuck is wife, how magnanimous, he get some kinky sex, that is wife seem more enthusiastic about then him, he got nothing for his own benefit out of it, pretty much, just her own benefit.
Look at Vegas, he spent 8k on the girl's day and what did he get? Oh he got to visit the same spa for a massage, he got to visit the gay bar again to talk to the guy he had the day before, he visited a Dominatrix, he does nothing at the spa or Dominatrix because first I consider the Dev on this to have been lazy, after wasting 8k the previous day and being treated like trash him getting to actually fucking those women would have been the minimum he is entitled to.
But that is the problem really, from the start of the game he has been told he isn't entitled to his pain, to his anger, to his grief, Lacey is always justified, some of the girls around him have in many cases taken to justify her too, so now he think he is a bad man, because he has been told he isn't entitled to his feelings, not entitled to any rewards, any compensations, any justice or retribution. He is expected to live and let live, so its breaking his mind.
Reality is it would have been far healthier for his mental health for him to have sex with various women / girls, the meagre sexual activities that he does under our control enable him to release a minute amount of mental steam. If he had been allowed to experience relief, to experience giving Lacey some of those feelings she has forced him to endure over and over, it would have done him a whole lot of good, instead he is expected to be a cuck, to do nothing sexual with anyone but Lacey and marginally Anna, all the while Lacey keep having anything from intimate actions to sexual activities with other men.
And after it happen they keep telling him its fine because she was drugged, not in her right mind, because she was trying to teach him something, she refused to take the blame and several others have taken to support her in this pattern, so where do the blame go? To the MC, he isn't allowed to blame his wife, not really, and those guys aren't around for him to blame, so the blame ends up with him, and its destroying him.
So those handjobs and blowjobs you can get from the other girls? He earned the right for those, Lacey never gave him back anything for her hard cheating on him, sure she might have pushed him to date around some other girls, but do dating equate to cheating, betrayal & humiliation? Not remotely.
I'd argue its one of the things that has fucked the MC, the fact that after everything Lacey keep doing he never get anything back, oh he get to fuck is wife, how magnanimous, he get some kinky sex, that is wife seem more enthusiastic about then him, he got nothing for his own benefit out of it, pretty much, just her own benefit.
Look at Vegas, he spent 8k on the girl's day and what did he get? Oh he got to visit the same spa for a massage, he got to visit the gay bar again to talk to the guy he had the day before, he visited a Dominatrix, he does nothing at the spa or Dominatrix because first I consider the Dev on this to have been lazy, after wasting 8k the previous day and being treated like trash him getting to actually fucking those women would have been the minimum he is entitled to.
But that is the problem really, from the start of the game he has been told he isn't entitled to his pain, to his anger, to his grief, Lacey is always justified, some of the girls around him have in many cases taken to justify her too, so now he think he is a bad man, because he has been told he isn't entitled to his feelings, not entitled to any rewards, any compensations, any justice or retribution. He is expected to live and let live, so its breaking his mind.
Reality is it would have been far healthier for his mental health for him to have sex with various women / girls, the meagre sexual activities that he does under our control enable him to release a minute amount of mental steam. If he had been allowed to experience relief, to experience giving Lacey some of those feelings she has forced him to endure over and over, it would have done him a whole lot of good, instead he is expected to be a cuck, to do nothing sexual with anyone but Lacey and marginally Anna, all the while Lacey keep having anything from intimate actions to sexual activities with other men.
And after it happen they keep telling him its fine because she was drugged, not in her right mind, because she was trying to teach him something, she refused to take the blame and several others have taken to support her in this pattern, so where do the blame go? To the MC, he isn't allowed to blame his wife, not really, and those guys aren't around for him to blame, so the blame ends up with him, and its destroying him.