VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Lady Lydia]

We are here for the drama alone, give us your thoughts when you are done

If by 'being here for the drama alone' you mean its the only thing their is in the game, I'd agree, this game is a unrelenting dramafest that could very much push some people straight into a depression, but can't say I am still here for them, I am here to see the storm finally end and the MC and his girls finally having a good time, that won't be interrupted by Lacey's bullshit once again part way thru.

 

[Arithil]

If by 'being here for the drama alone' you mean its the only thing their is in the game, I'd agree, this game is a unrelenting dramafest that could very much push some people straight into a depression, but can't say I am still here for them, I am here to see the storm finally end and the MC and his girls finally having a good time, that won't be interrupted by Lacey's bullshit once again part way thru.

Honestly kinda curious how professor plans to end this, i don't think Lacey bullshit will end any time soon since brain damage is permament and the bitch has to take notes which don't matter anyway, because i doubt that when situation arises she will stop in her track to open her notes app and read through 1000 notes, unless there is miraculous fix for her she is destined for failure

 

[Cenc]

No problem, now you get to suck the most bitter candy on the face of the Earth for the next several hours of gameplay. You'll either get pissed enough you'll delete the game and never return or you'll go thru it and get some form of the Stockholm Syndrome like the rest of us that are still around.

*shuffles forwards, looking around the room*
*Different faces all look back, expectantly - seeking answers*
*clears throat*
"I... My names Cenc... and... I'm a Love and Jealousy Survivor"
*everyone claps*

 

[Arithil]

ashketchumisty don't you dare read the spoiler (you can read it after you finish chapter 2)

 

[Lady Lydia]

Honestly kinda curious how professor plans to end this, i don't think Lacey bullshit will end any time soon since brain damage is permament and the bitch has to take notes which don't matter anyway, because i doubt that when situation arises she will stop in her track to open her notes app and read through 1000 notes, unless there is miraculous fix for her she is destined for failure

At this point its either technical magic or real magic would be my guess, technical magic, by that I mean like so many things currently with the game its going to be Deus Ex Machina into a solution, I mean look at the drugs, they don't do what they are supposed to be doing by a fairly large stretch, people change on an Act basis without any natural cause. So either it will be that, or considering this game exist in the same reality as Augusta, which has clear supernatural forces in existence, either way its what I expect, not anything remotely realistic in term of plot development. However that being said, I have written what I assume Act 4 is liable to be, like a page or two back, and some vague notion if that is the case what Act 5 would somewhat look like, if my theory does happen it would still be Deus Ex Machina, but I guess vaguely satisfying.

Like I mention I assume Act 4 the MC will have went thru a personality shift, where some other persona will have taken over and I assume proceed to do everything the MC held himself back from doing, namely fuck every attractive women around, Lacey & his girls are going to go after him, find him and Lacey will effectively be faced on what the other side of the coin looks like, namely having to see her husband be a manwhore. I assume after she had a bit of a mental breakdown over it she'll figure what worked for her sorta in College would work for him, she'll convince him to fuck the Hell out of her, causing him to undergo a 'reset', but rather than be back to quite what he was originally he'll be sorta an amalgam of the two, so he'll have his will and confidence returned to him, and he'll be alot more willing to fuck around.

Act 5, they'll go back home, discover the MC & her lost their jobs, along with a few others, under those conditions they'll have to move to Lacey's ancestral lands, where Lacey will have to process the various issues her husband had to face, namely that he changed, that he fucked a ton of girls, and that Act will largely about that process all the while introducing the big bad guys, by the end of it she'll have suffered her own small mental breakdown which will lead to her two persona to also fuse back together, stabilizing her mind also. At which point the brain damage will all be wavered away in the name of 'healing'.

 

[Yabba]

Ok Ive just replayed the Museum scenes with Lacey and Jamie and im really stating to believe Lacey is a cold hearted slut who really hates her partner and everything that she does is there to fuck him up big time. Or that she truly has a split personality and the Evil Lacy is driving all of the crazy parts of the story who then lets normal Lacy deal with the fallout,

The conversation she has with Jamie shows she read every text that the MC sent her and shows she didnt give two fucks about him at all ever. So what is motivating her to do what she is doing ???

Did him clinging to her from an early age just make him part of her abuse ? Does she leave him because she really hated him for his part in her abuse.

Did she then screw the world and get fucked up to then return and slowly destroy him?

Getting Mia to reveal her past in such a way that would totally unhinge his brain, slowly manipulating him at every turn to crush him with Damien then Issac and all the other shit she pulls.

Is she the Monster offering help but screwing with him ( maybe not) As others have said the video with Barry was manipulated but she maybe was the performer,

Plus her need to control anyone who has contact with the MC ,gauging them and then giving them permission to (Love ) her partner so he is constanly conflicted (Its ok Lacey said I could)

Im really getting hung up on this and its hurting my brain lol!!

I know the writer then shows Lacey showing Remorse Empathy etc so Maybe the "Evil Lacy" is doing all of the cruel stuff

Only time will tell !

 

[Lady Lydia]

Ok Ive just replayed the Museum scenes with Lacey and Jamie and im really stating to believe Lacey is a cold hearted slut who really hates her partner and everything that she does is there to fuck him up big time. Or that she truly has a split personality and the Evil Lacy is driving all of the crazy parts of the story who then lets normal Lacy deal with the fallout,

The conversation she has with Jamie shows she read every text that the MC sent her and shows she didnt give two fucks about him at all ever. So what is motivating her to do what she is doing ???

Did him clinging to her from an early age just make him part of her abuse ? Does she leave him because she really hated him for his part in her abuse.

Did she then screw the world and get fucked up to then return and slowly destroy him?

Getting Mia to reveal her past in such a way that would totally unhinge his brain, slowly manipulating him at every turn to crush him with Damien then Issac and all the other shit she pulls.

Is she the Monster offering help but screwing with him ( maybe not) As others have said the video with Barry was manipulated but she maybe was the performer,

Plus her need to control anyone who has contact with the MC ,gauging them and then giving them permission to (Love ) her partner so he is constanly conflicted (Its ok Lacey said I could)

Im really getting hung up on this and its hurting my brain lol!!

I know the writer then shows Lacey showing Remorse Empathy etc so Maybe the "Evil Lacy" is doing all of the cruel stuff

Only time will tell !

For The Monster, at this point its been fairly proven its someone connected to Veronica, an ex-lover of her, the she spoke about having had a threesome with him and his wife that ended poorly. So its neither 'Dark' Lacey or 'Dark' MC.

 

[John 7]

I think it would be better if the MC, that big baby without balls, and the brainless, characterless and manipulative whore Lacey both hanged themselves! Right at the beginning of the next episode!

 

[Yabba]

For The Monster, at this point its been fairly proven its someone connected to Veronica, an ex-lover of her, the she spoke about having had a threesome with him and his wife that ended poorly. So its neither 'Dark' Lacey or 'Dark' MC.

I agree and was just listing it in my Lacey or Evil Lacy Hates the MC theory . like me your so invested in this its taking up way too much time lol ..but we love it so what the hell.

 

[funnythings3785]

If by 'being here for the drama alone' you mean its the only thing their is in the game, I'd agree, this game is a unrelenting dramafest that could very much push some people straight into a depression, but can't say I am still here for them, I am here to see the storm finally end and the MC and his girls finally having a good time, that won't be interrupted by Lacey's bullshit once again part way thru.

Now you understand why Soaps were so popular in the past.

 

[funnythings3785]

Don't forget to factor in the professors use of mental illness when you consider both Lacey and the MCs behavior.

The MCs "weak tit" actions can to some extent be reasoned due to his mental issues concerning Lacey.

Lacey's issues can also be reasoned to some extent as well in this way.

I am not saying it excuses things, nor am I saying that this is the absolute reality of the story, just keep in mind it "may" be to some extent and so this is why they may act as they do in some situations.

Also consider... the professor writes in a style that is focused on the "moment" and sometimes doesn't take into consideration past character states and positions, these are the inconsistencies that will confuse you.

The real conundrum is, which "inconsistencies" are simply writer oversights, and which are intended character/story portrayals that have some longer meaning.

Expect to be baffled by conflicting behaviors though... and yes... Lacey (and some of the other characters) are not often "acting" in ways that are respectful to the MC and his issues (even though they are written as they are completely caring) which may lead you to believe they are deviously motivated, don't fully invest in that as this can also simply be... writing inconsistencies.

I don't think there are deep foreshadows in the writing concerning this stuff.

 

[AL.d]

Ok Ive just replayed the Museum scenes with Lacey and Jamie and im really stating to believe Lacey is a cold hearted slut who really hates her partner and everything that she does is there to fuck him up big time. Or that she truly has a split personality and the Evil Lacy is driving all of the crazy parts of the story who then lets normal Lacy deal with the fallout,

The conversation she has with Jamie shows she read every text that the MC sent her and shows she didnt give two fucks about him at all ever. So what is motivating her to do what she is doing ???

Did him clinging to her from an early age just make him part of her abuse ? Does she leave him because she really hated him for his part in her abuse.

Did she then screw the world and get fucked up to then return and slowly destroy him?

Getting Mia to reveal her past in such a way that would totally unhinge his brain, slowly manipulating him at every turn to crush him with Damien then Issac and all the other shit she pulls.

Is she the Monster offering help but screwing with him ( maybe not) As others have said the video with Barry was manipulated but she maybe was the performer,

Plus her need to control anyone who has contact with the MC ,gauging them and then giving them permission to (Love ) her partner so he is constanly conflicted (Its ok Lacey said I could)

Im really getting hung up on this and its hurting my brain lol!!

I know the writer then shows Lacey showing Remorse Empathy etc so Maybe the "Evil Lacy" is doing all of the cruel stuff

Only time will tell !

It's been theorized in discussions on here before this update, that her actions can only be explained by some sub conscious resentment she has for him, that she doesn't really control. And she rationalizes them consciously with flimsy shit like it has to be done, it will make us better, I didn't want it to go this way but brain damage, the usual. Because examining not just the actions themselves, but also the details of how exactly they happened, shows intent that can't be justified.

This update actually tells us she does assign blame on him "for not saving her". Which in her broken mind could mean many things all together, from their current marriage, to college, to all the way back to their childhood. And if it goes that back (most likely), it makes sense why she can only acknowledge it during a mental breakdown, talking out loud in an argument with herself.

 

[monkeyqueen]

It has a good rating. So I thought why not try it. Not really an Ntr fan but don't mind it either since its just a game.

I stopped it and started it again months later. Playing the game is pure pain. I hate the MC with a burning passion but I still give the game a good rating because of the quality of the writing. He uses literary tools that are more sophisticated than the authors of most AVNs

If you manage to get the game going and end up identifying with the MC let me know so I can file a restraining order

 

[monkeyqueen]

I agree and was just listing it in my Lacey or Evil Lacy Hates the MC theory . like me your so invested in this its taking up way too much time lol ..but we love it so what the hell.

Try another theory. Lacey a) thinks pain leads to mental health b) believes she deserves any pain she receives c) get sexual satisfaction from pain. Her deepest, darkest sexual fantasy is to be choked to death by her husband while he whispers "I love you"

And she does this for multiple reasons - one of the reasons is that she knows that her husband enjoys abusing her. He wants to choke her to death, she wants to be choked to death. Perfect couple for a Romeo and Juliet ending, right? But the MC doesn't want to accept his true desires so she needs to provoke him.

Replay the shark and remora scene - the MC wants to sleep but she forces the conflict. Because she knows he wants to get angry and she wants to feel pain.

 

[funnythings3785]

It's been theorized in discussions on here before this update, that her actions can only be explained by some sub conscious resentment she has for him, that she doesn't really control. And she rationalizes them consciously with flimsy shit like it has to be done, it will make us better, I didn't want it to go this way but brain damage, the usual. Because examining not just the actions themselves, but also the details of how exactly they happened, shows intent that can't be justified.

This update actually tells us she does assign blame on him "for not saving her". Which in her broken mind could mean many things all together, from their current marriage, to college, to all the way back to their childhood. And if it goes that back (most likely), it makes sense why she can only acknowledge it during a mental breakdown, talking out loud in an argument with herself.

My worry is that this will become a crutch to absolve her in the story, that somehow it will turn out that he is really at fault here because he didn't go get her and I would argue that this would have been completely out of character for him to do that as well as counter to the way his relationship had evolved through childhood with her.

He did not force Lacey in their youth, he simply adjusted to fit her needs and her leaving for college (with the claim she would return so they could be together) was him responding to that dynamic. His sending messages, fell in line with his process of checking if she needed him, but her lack of response (more specifically him seeing she read the messages) was also him respecting those boundaries he established all through youth (ie... don't touch here, only here on this day, sit this way, do all the talking, don't talk, presents on this day, not that one... etc...). He was merely doing as he always did, trying to be helpful, but not upsetting her wishes.

 

[DeviantFun]

Replay the shark and remora scene - the MC wants to sleep but she forces the conflict. Because she knows he wants to get angry and she wants to feel pain.

This is not reflected in the material, in that specific scene Lacey is very worried that MC would start caring less and less giving up on them. (It is the literal dialogue).

In fact one of the things that is underlined and repeated often heavily in the dialogues is that Lacey suffers the most when MC ignores her and her antics.

 

[cormac69]

I found another typo that should be corrected. This should be the MC saying this. Not Lacey.

 

[monkeyqueen]

This is not reflected in the material, in that specific scene Lacey is very worried that MC would start caring less and less giving up on them. (It is the literal dialogue).

In fact one of the things that is underlined and repeated often heavily in the dialogues is that Lacey suffers the most when MC ignores her and her antics.

It is supported by the text And I think we are saying something similar - Lacey invites the MC's abuse. She needs to be abused, he needs to abuse someone. Indeed the tragedy of that scene is that Gristle comes to an insight that could cure his jealousy BUT Lacey pulls him back into a co dependent cycle.

Play the scene from the start. If you need me to I will post the text itself but that will take some time.

MC wants to sleep and avoid conflict - Lacey literally tries to push the MC to the ground over to start the conflict and bring out his rage.

Again, if you don't believe me I'll post the text.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

I found another typo that should be corrected. This should be the MC saying this. Not Lacey.

I think Lacey is the one excited about the “fake” argument, not MC?

 

[DeviantFun]

I think Lacey is the one excited about the “fake” argument, not MC?

Correct.

L "To swoop in and be furious with me and drag me away for our big argument."
MC "So we'll do the argument for real?"
L "Well... we don't have to. But I'd really like it if we can incorporate that."

But in the case shown MC should be the one talking.

LP "So, last chance to back out."
LP "The sooner we start, the sooner I can take you home and have an awesome trailer park argument with you." -> This should be MC (also because he is the one that is supposed to drag her home in her emovamp scenario)
LP "(giggle) I'm so glad I married you."
LP "Best decision I've ever made."

MC wants to sleep and avoid conflict - Lacey literally tries to push the MC to the ground over to start the conflict and bring out his rage.

Again, if you don't believe me I'll post the text.

I know the game dialogue almost by memory, not a healthy thing.

You are misinterpreting what is happening in the scene, which is a bit weird to me since the writing is on the wall, considering the words of Anna just before at the park.

A "Go home. Get angry with her."
A "Do whatever it is you do."
A "But don't leave her there suffering."
A "She would rather you yell and scream at her than ignore her."

As I said, and I will for the last time, Lacey suffers and spirals when MC ignores her since it would mean many bad things for her. (we can all guess what those are, yes?)