VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[monkeyqueen]

In simple term Lacey is a broken soul with an horrifying childhood and teenage life, that abandoned her platonic life partner to go alone to College, tried to fix herself, broke herself even harder in the process,

She didn't break herself harder in the process - she (partially) healed herself. She finally got the image of her rapist father out her mind. Before then she couldn't even touch another man.

If the MC wasn't an idiot and an incel he would realize she did him a favor.

Once of the reasons the plans keep failing is she wants to prescribe the same medicine to Gristle but in this case what's good for the goose is not good for the gander

 

[DeviantFun]

She didn't break herself harder in the process - she (partially) healed herself. She finally got the image of her rapist father out her mind. Before then she couldn't even touch another man.

If the MC wasn't an idiot he would realize she did him a favor.

Once of the reasons the plans keep failing is she wants to prescribe the same medicine to Gristle but in this case what's good for the goose is not good for the gander

L "It didn't work."
L "Leaving you was pain."
L "And instead of becoming a girl who could love you."
L "I became... this."
L "I can't fix this one."
L "All I can do is say I'm so sorry."
L "I was wrong. Painfully wrong."
L "Leaving you was my demise."
L "I tried to kill myself so many times."
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L "When I abandoned him to go to school, to try and stand on my own,"
L "all that pain just became a constant battle to try and keep at bay."
L "It was awful at first."
L "And it just got worse and worse."
L "Until I could barely stand to be in my own skin."
L "I began to find ways to deal with that."
L "Sometimes it was listening to a recording of my future husband singing happy birthday to me."
L "I'd throw myself into my schoolwork."
L "Then I started drinking at night to help me sleep better."
L "Then I started drinking in the morning to help me get through my day."
L "And then I discovered ketamine."
L "The wonder drug."
L "And my personal hell on earth."
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MC "Knowing who we are, do you think it would have taken that long for us to figure out that painful sex resets your brain?"
L "No. We probably would have figured it out in a few weeks."

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L "Everything I did was wrong."
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L "Because living for four years without you was... the worst thing that's ever happened to me."
MC "Well, besides the abuse of course."
L "That isn't what I said."
L "I said, it was the worst thing that has ever happened to me."

 

[WannabeShady90]

If I am anything, it is decidedly NOT devoted to Lacey. Not even on a bad day. I agree that nearly anyone else (although with this story, who knows how characters will behave in Act 4) would be better than Lacey.

My refusal of every act with every NPC is because Lacey is directing their efforts. By refusing them the MC is refusing Lacey because Lacey is trying to pull the NPC's strings. It's not clear to me why she wants the MC to have sex with other girls but I am certain it is not for the reason she said. Her pattern of dishonesty with the MC means I don't believe a word from her unless I've seen some way to corroborate it. Lacey manipulates the MC far too much as it is; I do not want to giver her even more control over him.

I would prefer a break-up, too, but since the dev clearly is more enamored with Lacey than with the MC and Lacey wants to keep the MC then... ...the MC is trapped even though remaining with her is toxic for him. The only way I can resist in this story is to say "no" to everything Lacey or her pawns offer. So that's exactly what I do.

Okey, now I understand your reasoning. I think there are a few little flaws though. Anna loved Captain SaveAHoe even before she met Lacey. Anna's love is not dependent on Lacey. I will admit that Anna probably plays by Lacey's rules just because there is no other way for her to be with him. But - and that is big but - I'm almost certain that Anna would go against Lacey if the player asked her to. She has confronted Lacey on her own a couple of times already. There is also (at least) one person outside of Lacey's control who's even antagonistic towards Lacey and that is Kelly. I think it's no coincidence that Captain SaveAHoe always ends up at her place whenever Lacey fucks up again. I actually think Kelly would be a decent choice as well. She's morally aligned with him and they share at least a similar background. He also seems comfortable sharing his feelings with her. She's also hot, but that's a given in this kind of game. There's also Bethany, who probably hasn't even really appeared on Lacey's radar yet. So I think there are a few decent choices left uncorrucpted.

 

[monkeyqueen]

L "It didn't work."
. . .

Until it did:

L "I did all those things, because I just didn't care enough to stop."
L "Not because it felt good or because I was enjoying any of it."
L "The only tiny glimmer of goodness that came out of it was in the final picture."
L "Those weren't tears of a disassociated whore."
L "They were very real."
L "First off that jerk was way too big for me."
L "it wasn't fun, it wasn't mind blowing, it just fucking hurt."
L "So I was in pain."
L "The second reason for tears was because I had achieved what I thought was impossible."
L "I had disassociated intimacy from my abuse."
L "I could be intimate and not think of my father."
L "All I could think of in that last picture was I could finally come home to you.

 

[DeviantFun]

Until it did:

L "I did all those things, because I just didn't care enough to stop."
L "Not because it felt good or because I was enjoying any of it."
L "The only tiny glimmer of goodness that came out of it was in the final picture."
L "Those weren't tears of a disassociated whore."
L "They were very real."
L "First off that jerk was way too big for me."
L "it wasn't fun, it wasn't mind blowing, it just fucking hurt."
L "So I was in pain."
L "The second reason for tears was because I had achieved what I thought was impossible."
L "I had disassociated intimacy from my abuse."
L "I could be intimate and not think of my father."
L "All I could think of in that last picture was I could finally come home to you.

MC "Knowing who we are, do you think it would have taken that long for us to figure out that painful sex resets your brain?"
L "No. We probably would have figured it out in a few weeks."

L "When I went to college I became addicted to ketamine and had a serious drinking problem."
L "I became an awful person who did awful things."
L "I took so much that it caused some brain damage."
L "That resulted in me nearly destroying my marriage."

 

[WannabeShady90]

If the MC wasn't an idiot he would realize she did him a favor.

Thinking that seeing your wife as a sperm bank is doing him a favor is some next level copium. Might be weapon grade copium at this point. I mean if you have Jesus like forgiving abilities, maybe...setting aside the huge psychological damage that it takes to actually go through with this, they weren't in a relationship back then, but cheating on him in front of a camera breaking every single fucking rule...that's some next level disrespect. But let's face it, they've probably had the best sex after the club experiance, in which (if you let her) she had sex with yet another man that is not him. So she obviously still gets off by fucking around. As I've mentioned a couple of times - she is broken. She will never be fixed. There is no fixing people like her. So why even try?

"If you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you" - Friedrich Nietzsche

I've asked Gemini what it thinks the quote means:

• It's a warning about obsession: The quote cautions that prolonged engagement with negativity or that which you oppose can lead to becoming like it.
• It's about internal change: The "abyss" is often seen as a mirror to our own inner selves, reflecting our avoided fears, impulses, and flaws.
• It's a warning against nihilism: For Nietzsche, the abyss could represent the meaninglessness of a world without God, and staring into it too long could lead to despair or nihilism.

 

[WannabeShady90]

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

 

[WannabeShady90]

It's a warning about obsession: Lacey literally tries to break him to become like her. Same as Abby and Mia btw.
It's about internal change: Lacey literally IS the fear impersonated.

 

[DeviantFun]

It's a warning about obsession: Lacey literally tries to break him to become like her.
It's about internal change: Lacey literally IS the fear impersonated.

L "I've told you I don't want you to be like me."
L "I... (sigh)"
L "...happen to like that you're intensely jealous."

 

[monkeyqueen]

MC "Knowing who we are, do you think it would have taken that long for us to figure out that painful sex resets your brain?"
L "No. We probably would have figured it out in a few weeks."

L "When I went to college I became addicted to ketamine and had a serious drinking problem."
L "I became an awful person who did awful things."
L "I took so much that it caused some brain damage."
L "That resulted in me nearly destroying my marriage."

I think they are lying to themselves. The man who stole her pencils from her would not have shoved his forearm up her anus.

Obviously the Ketamine, the brain damage was a bad decision. But the masochism was not, But high school Lacey and Gristle never had a chance because he would kept to the rules - only touch her head. She needed someone who cared nothing for her to bring her the pain she needed.

Edit for DeviantFun

L "So my key coping mechanism was denial."
L "I wasn't lying to you, I was lying to myself."

and one of the most important lines in the entire AVN

L "I am also afraid of conflict and my brain will believe whatever it needs to, to avoid it."
L "This makes me an easy target for being manipulated."

Always, always, always Lacey will deal with an angry Gristle by agreeing with him.

Yes, we could have figured it out.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.

 

[WannabeShady90]

L "I've told you I don't want you to be like me."
L "I... (sigh)"
L "...happen to like that you're intensely jealous."

Yeah, she's damaged. Yeah, she's toxic. Yeah, she's broken. Nobody denies that. Why the fuck would I be willing to engage with that though?

 

[NewGuy2022]

Okey, now I understand your reasoning. I think there are a few little flaws though. Anna loved Captain SaveAHoe even before she met Lacey. Anna's love is not dependent on Lacey. I will admit that Anna probably plays by Lacey's rules just because there is no other way for her to be with him. But - and that is big but - I'm almost certrain that Anna would go against Lacey if the player asked her to. She has confronted Lacey on her own a couple of times already. There is also (at least) one person outside of Lacey's control who's even antagonistic towards Lacey and that is Kelly. I think it's no coincidence that Captain SaveAHoe always ends up at her place whenever Lacey fucks up again. I actually think Kelly would be a decent choice as well. She's morally aligned with him and they share at least a similar background. He also seems comfortable sharing his feelings with her. She's also hot, but that's a given in this kind of game. There's also Bethany, who probably hasn't even really appeared on Lacey's radar yet. So I think there are a few decent choices left uncorrucpted.

I agree that Anna loved the MC before she knew about Lacey. But now she's one of Lacey's "escorts" that Lacey throws at MC when she wants to corrupt him. Anna is just another of Lacey's tools now and, for that reason, I choose for the MC to reject her when I'm allowed to choose. I did not like the forced sex scene with her; I would've preferred player choice there.

I like Kelly from the early game but I don't trust her scheming now. And I rejected Bethany just because everyone in this story is bad for the MC so she must be, too; the author just hasn't shown us why yet (yes, I realize that's an irrational belief for me to have). Plus, once Lacey learns about Beth, she'll become yet another tool in Lacey's toolbox because (porn logic.)

Finally, the last reason I won't choose for the MC to cheat on Lacey is because I detest cheating and cheaters. Get a divorce first and then you can shag a whole city block but not while you're married. I recognize that belief puts me at odds with many if not most posters here and I'm just fine with that. It's just me.

The MC is better off alone even though his codependency would cause him to suffer badly for the withdrawal; I just feel his suffering at the hands of the NPCs is worse. He needs to escape from them and then immerse himself in professional counseling.

 

[WannabeShady90]

L "I've told you I don't want you to be like me."
L "I... (sigh)"
L "...happen to like that you're intensely jealous."

Also let's not forget that she changed her reasoning. First she told us she's doing it to show how little it means to her. (Enough to constantly bring it up though despite seemingly being so happy with only us and force us into it despite knowing how uncomfortable we feel with it). Lacey flip flops so often that I basically don't believe anything she says anymore...oh yeah...first thing she brings up after leaving the library room is a 3some. lol

 

[DeviantFun]

Also let's not forget that she changed her reasoning. First she told us she's doing it to show how little it means to her. (Enough to constantly bring it up though despite seemingly being so happy with only us and force us into it despite knowing how uncomfortable we feel with it). Lacey flip flops so often that I basically don't believe anything she says anymore...oh yeah...first thing she brings up after leaving the library room is a 3some. lol

This is incorrect there was always a double angle:

L "Go explore the world without me."
L "Embrace whatever it has to offer you."
L "Break a few hearts."
L "All I ask is that you'll still be mine when it's all over."
L "Promise me."
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L "I am not trying to turn you into me."
L "I want you to date other women, so you can feel more confident."
L "So, you can experience the things you missed out on."
L "And so you can hurt me."
L "So you can make me feel jealous."
L "Because I think you need that."
L "I think you need to put me in my place so that you can work through all this."
L "It's not going to be fun for me." <- not a masochist btw
L "I am extremely jealous of you and the women around you."
L "I've made that abundantly clear."
L "But I love you enough that I want you to have this."
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A "You said you wanted him to experience beautiful new things."
A "You said... he would be able to... love me."

This is all from act 1 AND act 2.

I cannot say anything about the 3p in act 3, as I also found it...well...the nicest thing I have got to say would be "peculiar behaviour".
My gut feeling is that the author wanted a 3p, did not have time to develop a mini storyline for it and just chucked it in.

But if we go by the material I have no way to justify that or reconcile it to the rest of the dialogues up until that point, UNLESS we could say that Lacey was very tired to hear Lorenzo rant and didn't think MC would mind since it was heavy RP in his favour, too bad MC did not know this at all because Lacey did not explain anything....she is shown to be tired so maybe she forgot?

I think they are lying to themselves. The man who stole her pencils from her would not have shoved his forearm up her anus.

Obviously the Ketamine, the brain damage was a bad decision. But the masochism was not, But high school Lacey and Gristle never had a chance because he would kept to the rules - only touch her head. She needed someone who cared nothing for her to bring her the pain she needed.

Edit for DeviantFun

L "So my key coping mechanism was denial."
L "I wasn't lying to you, I was lying to myself."

and one of the most important lines in the entire AVN

L "I am also afraid of conflict and my brain will believe whatever it needs to, to avoid it."
L "This makes me an easy target for being manipulated."

Always, always, always Lacey will deal with an angry Gristle by agreeing with him.

Yes, we could have figured it out.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.
Yes you are right.

Wrong, you have the script on hand, go and check the context of the line you posted and say it is the "most important", I don't even have to look it up to know that the next lines explain her decision making abilities and she is not referring to MC at all.

In fact, one of the biggest contradictions about Lacey is that she is non confrontational with everyone (in act 1 mostly), but always tries to stir up stuff with MC.

If she is non confrontational with MC, how come she fights with him on the phone and then lies to him about Will to make him jealous which will obviously lead to a confrontation? (act 1, Brimley party, Lacey sends the messages to Mia instead of MC).

If she is non confrontational with your interpretation, why would she push him and try to pick a fight when MC just wants to drop the discussion? (Isaac aftermath).

If she is non confrontational why does she want to include a huge argument at the end of JD? (I would suggest looking for the phrase "emotional vampire" in the script, it will explain the situation better).

Or how can you explain these?

L "I have an idea."
MC "What's that?"
L "How about you get off my case about it?"
L "Does that work for you?"

MC "I know the creative process can be draining, but it seems like the work is overwhelming."
L "Well, you can't help okay."
L "There's nothing you can do, except let me get through this."
MC "Sure. Of course."
MC "How about a backrub?"
L "How about you just leave me alone?"
MC "I... I can do that."

Last post about this topic on my side, she does not agree with MC to avoid a confrontation but because she thinks he is right, and when she doesn't she gives her version and her excuses.

 

[daimadochi]

Act 3 is really weird on several points , i don't know if the author did all this on purpose or not but the result is i don't know anymore who wants/needs/is afraid of/don't give a fuck of what.
Like the threesome scene , all of the girl's day , the MC reactions to all of lacey actions (or lack of) , how Lacey handle certain things , reacts to things .
It's the most confusing of the 3 acts for me.

 

[monkeyqueen]

This is incorrect there was always a double angle:

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L "I am not trying to turn you into me."
L "I want you to date other women, so you can feel more confident."
L "So, you can experience the things you missed out on."
L "And so you can hurt me."

This is right. Actually I think it becomes even clearer in the final scene of buying Isaac's house (in which, incidentally, Gristle tells an even bigger lie than the white lie Lacey told)

She doesn't want to CHANGE him she wants him to understand what he is: a sadist, a wife beater and man who hates women. She wants Dr. Jekyl to let Mr. Hyde come out

L "I am your girl."
L "Don't be afraid to remind me of that from time to time."
L "And I ain't talking about buying me flowers."
L "I'm talking about buying me a five finger back hand."
. . .
L "So I'm asking you. Please. Intervene."
L "Tell me I'm fucking up. So I can stop doing it."
L "And if I don't, then it ceases to be your problem."
L "Then I'm just being a raging bitch and you should probably have it out with me."
. . .
L "And this version of me needs to be verbally smacked around a little."
L "Please help me be what you need me to be."
L "I'm begging you."
MC "Okay. I can do that."
MC "At least I hope I can."
L "You can. You definitely can."
L "You just need to learn to unchain that part of your personality."
. . .

L "Destroy them or make sure you hurt them as you go down."
L "You are an executive at a successful company."
L "You have a fucking hot wife."
. . .

And let's be real DeviantFun is she isn't masochist how do you explain the fact that she loves it when her husband hurts her during sex and her ultimate fantasy is be killed by him during sex while he whispers "I love you" ?

This seem impossible to dispute. I mean THE reason she see this side of him and the other harem members don't is that she has sex with her sadist and they do not:

Choking during sex scene:

MC "You spread your legs like a useless slut."
MC "You let a man fuck you and cum inside your cunt."
L "I am your cocksleeve to do with as you please."
MC "Why the fuck are you still smiling?!"
L "Because I've never been so happy."
L "You want to possess me."
L "And I want to be your possession."
hide jealousymc04 with dissolve
"I squeeze harder as I continue to fuck her."
show jealousymc05 with dissolve
"With each thrust her breasts bounce back and forth."
"She struggles to breathe."
"But still her smile is unshakeable."
MC "Tell me you love me."
"She struggles to speak clearly."
L "I love you."
"I cum inside of her again."
"I can feel it pouring out of her full vagina with each thrust."
MC "Tell me you belong to me."
L "I belong to you."
MC "Tell me that you're mine."
L "I am yours."
MC "Did you cum again you selfish little girl?"
L "I've cum five times."
L "(gasp)"
L "I've never felt so good."
"I feel overwhelmed."
"It feels so good."
L "(struggling breaths)"
"My anger is so strong."
"My love for her so complete."
MC "I'd rather kill you then lose you."
L "I'd rather die then be let go."
MC "WHO DO YOU BELONG TO?!"
L "(gasp)"
L "Only you."
MC "Why are you still so god damn happy?!"
L "Because I'm your wife."
"As soon as those words leave her lips I cum again for the last time tonight."
MC "You feel so good to cum inside."
"I loosen my grip enough to let her breathe easier."
L "I love you."
MC "I love you too goddammit."
L "I love you."
MC "(emotional) I love you too."
L "I will never stop being yours."
MC "Cum for me you stupid girl."
L "(screaming orgasm)"
L "FUCK! IT FEELS SO GOOD!"
L "Oh my God it feels so wonderful."

I think the reason you are denying that she is a masochist is that she is three things in a Venn diagram - a cutter, a masochist and a scapegoat. Scapegoats don't enjoy being hurt but accept it. Cutters (sorta) don't like pain but use it to cope with stress. Masochists get satisfaction - often sexual satisfaction - from abuse.

 

[DeviantFun]

Act 3 is really weird on several points , i don't know if the author did all this on purpose or not but the result is i don't know anymore who wants/needs/is afraid of/don't give a fuck of what.
Like the threesome scene , all of the girl's day , the MC reactions to all of lacey actions (or lack of) , how Lacey handle certain things , reacts to things .
It's the most confusing of the 3 acts for me.

I think it is a pretty common feeling for many readers.

I will be honest, I appreciate the author producing at the neckbreaking speed he does, but I would gladly wait one month more for more coherence and less forgotten points (we still need some resolution on some act 1 stuff, and 2 big ones from act 2, maybe those will be picked up in act 4, but....why ignore them).

There was enough material and stuff to "play" with already without the need to inject and force more drama (just by discussing the 2 big plot points left behind in act 2 there would probably be a tornado of drama).

 

[daimadochi]

There was enough material and stuff to "play" with already without the need to inject and force more drama (just by discussing the 2 big plot points left behind in act 2 there would probably be a tornado of drama).

I really wanted to see the scene where th MC confront her about the answers during the king's weekend in particular.
It's such a let down that's it's not adressed.

 

[monkeyqueen]

Act 3 is really weird on several points , i don't know if the author did all this on purpose or not but the result is i don't know anymore who wants/needs/is afraid of/don't give a fuck of what.
Like the threesome scene , all of the girl's day , the MC reactions to all of lacey actions (or lack of) , how Lacey handle certain things , reacts to things .
It's the most confusing of the 3 acts for me.

To me it's the chapter that where it all come together. What specifically confuses you?

Girls day - this is still a NTR avn so he's a pay pig. The girls are on molly, he is keeping his poker face on and they assume he's having a good time. This is why Abby sets up the poker match - she understands that he has good poker face.

Why does he agree to be a paypig? At this point he's broken down and admitted that he needs therapy and here comes Abby saying "why don't we do a very twisted form of therapy"?

The MC has a blind spot for women who are fucking with him but is hyper aware of men who are fucking with him.


Lacey? 1) she was on Molly 2) she flirts so her husband will come over and be jealous and he didn't do that so the flirting intensified - Abby talked him to abandoning his protector / scary dom role.

 

[WannabeShady90]

L "I've told you I don't want you to be like me."
L "I... (sigh)"
L "...happen to like that you're intensely jealous."

Let me address this real quick: Do you think it is healthy to be in a relationship with someone who activly goes out of her way to hurt you AND gets off of it? Setting aside the many, many, many, many, many, many other red flags...this red flag alone is relevant enough that everything you try to build on that sandy foundation will inevitably crumble. You've made quite a few excuses for Lacey, quoting her a lot (as if I would give a fuck about what she is saying), but her ACTIONS contradict her words on a regular.