Crozzeria

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I kinda want the MC to have the option to be like fuck it,I ain't rescuing shit. Gonna stay home and watch TV.
exactly, the story gives u a really bad LI, she doesn't trust u, she insulted you, she does what she want cause why not she's a "grown up woman"... It's the worst LI that i've seen... And in this story it's seems to be the only one (facepalm). U can't go to the other girls cause the worst of all gets her name on the title xD.
The MC can do something. He can stop it. He also has ulterior motives that prevents him from acting in the open too much because of all the things at stake, like his job for example, and his own relationship with Lucie. He isn't in a position of power and he can't do as he likes. He also is on a tight rope with Lucie as they obviously see Pascal from a completely different point of view, and he doesn't want to look like a douchebag who acts like he owns the girl, just like her previous boyfriend.
Besides they are not having sex, yet. This remains at an erotic level in this scene.
Then you can't stop her, but Pascal stops them like it's nothing, u save claire (from the blackmail), u save lucy (from getting beat up by her ex) but they hear Pascal...
Sure they are on drugs, but they only listen to Pascal, thats not logic even claire doen't listen to you. They listen to the photographer too so sorry but there are thing that doesn't make sense to me. If the drug it's sooooo bad and that's why they don't listen to you, then why they listen to everyone else? Sorry but i don't get it :S. It's not like they brainwash the girls with the drugs cause the time it's not long to make that happend so... If they're so hot and don't listen to you cause they hot and want to try stuff then why they listen to others when they said stop too...
 

ugz2

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He is either displeased/jealous
Right, it fits even f95zone's criteria of NTR but it's avoidable in the sense you can choose to react differently. f95zone's definition is awful and too vague and this is being incredibly charitable to the scene in question because it always plays out.

Besides no actual sexual act is performed during the scene, so in a strict acceptance of the term there is no NTR in this scene.
The scene is sexual in nature, characters touching each other and introspecting about their sexual arousal. It's not technically a sexual act is just bookish. I'm not sure what this strict "acceptance" is either, no one seems to agree on anything regarding netorare but I can tell you this is the kind of scenario you can see play out in explicitly NTR themed games as both a buildup to sex and as a standalone scene. When residentNTRhater69 calls anything resembling another dick within a few feet of a love interest NTR they should be promptly ignored but this is walking the line. I'd still like to hear the developer's thoughts on my questions.
 

Le Pew

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exactly, the story gives u a really bad LI, she doesn't trust u, she insulted you, she does what she want cause why not she's a "grown up woman"... It's the worst LI that i've seen... And in this story it's seems to be the only one (facepalm). U can't go to the other girls cause the worst of all gets her name on the title xD.

Then you can't stop her, but Pascal stops them like it's nothing, u save claire (from the blackmail), u save lucy (from getting beat up by her ex) but they hear Pascal...
Sure they are on drugs, but they only listen to Pascal, thats not logic even claire doen't listen to you. They listen to the photographer too so sorry but there are thing that doesn't make sense to me. If the drug it's sooooo bad and that's why they don't listen to you, then why they listen to everyone else? Sorry but i don't get it :S. It's not like they brainwash the girls with the drugs cause the time it's not long to make that happend so... If they're so hot and don't listen to you cause they hot and want to try stuff then why they listen to others when they said stop too...
So you've never seen anyone, particularly young adults, believing that they own the world and that they know better than anyone else ? As for Lucie being the only LI, talking a lot with the dev, I can tell you that he would have loved to be able to do multiple routes but with the limited time he has to work on the game, he preferred making a single route story for his first game. As I often said on multiple threads, not all devs can afford to work full time on their game.

As for your second reaction, I believe that you left out the context here. Lucie currently has big trust issues with the MC. They argued over the boss Pascal just the night before and she sees him as some kind of messiah because he promised her a job and she knows he can deliver, she just doesn't know what. At the moment she just sees him as the alpha. That's partly why his voice has much more impact on her than the MC's. The other part is that when Pascal tells her to stop, he uses the argument of having enough material for the photoshoot, which puts her back in context. That and how she sees him are enough to overcome the lust burst she is having. The photograph being in "team Pascal" helps too.
 
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SeveredRealms

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Forget it guys. The MC is a cuck the game is not NTR the girl that is the main LI walks off for a entire night high on a sex drug and doesnt have sex with the antagonist ... Because porn logic. romance is not about saving the girl. romance is not about making sure she didnt get on the drug. Dev has plenty of time to not write a NTR game only a romance game... ohh wait I ssaid that all wrong. Jusr write your NTR game give it the tag and fuck actually writing a romance path because IT DOES not exist. Just remember to save her before she is gang raped the next day. I say that because she will not be in control of herself due to a drug and in many countries drugging them to they do something they would not do while not drug is classified as rape. So have fun with this story.
 
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Le Pew

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So not being godlike and having to do things discretely make the MC be a cuck to you.
And yes, the antagonist doesn't have sex with the girl, because she's just a toy for him and he already has plenty of toys to play with. If you believe he did have sex with her, that's okay, we don't know if he did or not.

Why don't you go back playing WVM and leave this thread to people actually interested in the game, and not how to call this or that ?
 

SevenCostanza

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So you've never seen anyone, particularly young adults, believing that they own the world and that they know better than anyone else ? As for Lucie being the only LI, talking a lot with the dev, I can tell you that he would have loved to be able to do multiple routes but with the limited time he has to work on the game, he preferred making a single route story for his first game. As I often said on multiple threads, not all devs can afford to work full time on their game.

As for your second reaction, I believe that you left out the context here. Lucie currently has big trust issues with the MC. They argued over the boss Pascal just the night before and she sees him as some kind of messiah because he promised her a job and she knows he can deliver, she just doesn't know what. At the moment she just sees him as the alpha. That's partly why his voice has much more impact on her than the MC's. The other part is that when Pascal tells her to stop, he uses the argument of having enough material for the photoshoot, which puts her back in context. That and how she sees him are enough to overcome the lust burst she is having. The photograph being in "team Pascal" helps too.
Wait so essentially a rich, powerful guy she just met, dangled the tiniest chance of fame/fortune/whatever under her nose and that was enough for her to give him her trust, faith, benefit of the doubt, etc and to minimize the protagonist and their relationship? Kind of sounds like a selfish, gold digging, whore to me but then again I probably just need to learn more about love and romance.
 

Crozzeria

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So you've never seen anyone, particularly young adults, believing that they own the world and that they know better than anyone else ? As for Lucie being the only LI, talking a lot with the dev, I can tell you that he would have loved to be able to do multiple routes but with the limited time he has to work on the game, he preferred making a single route story for his first game. As I often said on multiple threads, not all devs can afford to work full time on their game.

As for your second reaction, I believe that you left out the context here. Lucie currently has big trust issues with the MC. They argued over the boss Pascal just the night before and she sees him as some kind of messiah because he promised her a job and she knows he can deliver, she just doesn't know what. At the moment she just sees him as the alpha. That's partly why his voice has much more impact on her than the MC's. The other part is that when Pascal tells her to stop, he uses the argument of having enough material for the photoshoot, which puts her back in context. That and how she sees him are enough to overcome the lust burst she is having. The photograph being in "team Pascal" helps too.
Let's see , your saying that real life aplies to a game where a drug is developed like that, witch is almost imposible unless the dev had actuall knowledge on advance medicine to sustain that. Then let's talk about real life, you have you'r lover/girlfriend/LI being used as a "test subject" and you know about it but insted of make her stop drinking it you don't do shit. You can easilly go to the authorities with the clues you have from the take over to put pascal in jail and stop this noncense at once. But no , you insted do nothing and let all the people play with your lover. Fuck job, i will protect my girl at all cost, and i'm not the only one who would do that.
And i get it , not having time for doing a lot of thing, we all live like that, it's life. But like i said, dont give me choices in betwing something that don't chance things, give me an option at the end of the game with 2 finales and done. Don't sell me a game with a trailer that doesn't happend.
Like it or not the photoshoot it's cheating and the mc is useless af, your choices doesn't matter there and like i said thats what i didn't like , i said that the history is really unique and i dig it, i really like the story. But like every other person if someone give me choices that are useless along the game to change the final day it seem pointless. You'r givin a LI whos the most annoing thing there is, an MC who don't/can't do shit so you'r feeling hopeless in the game. It's a game man , i like to play and translate this in my free time instead of watching a movie or reading a book because you'r living another life playing as the MC in a history witch you have to like. Like i said , i like the story but (again) in MY OPINION the photoshoot is cheating and i didn't like it. The MC is made of stone painted in a wall. As you said the dev didn't have time, it's his/her first game, and its a good game for being the first, he/she asked for opinions and i give mine.
 

AmerHST

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I don't see how a true romance faithful path would prevent such things to happen:
1. [troll]She is a young PITA who has no experience in life and who believes the understands life because she's lost her virginity. [/troll]
2. She's so desperately looking for her autonomy that she is ready to believe that she's going to get a job, like many girls her age, and Pascal, as the boss, looks more like the alpha male to believe at first than her boyfriend.
3. She's been drugged. The whole game talks about a frug since the beginning but nobody seems to register that detail.
4. Don't mention that in reality it's not possible to get completely depraved because of a drug. First, you don't know that except maybe if you have a PhD in biology or neurobiology, and second it's a work of fiction and there may be elements that don't fully respect the laws of nature.
5. Having a romance doesn't mean that bad shit can't happen.
6. If you don't like this story, you don't need to rant. There is a small cross on top of your window, I suggest you click it.

Nothing on earth is perfect, and the dev is willing to listen to any constructive criticism as the storytelling or the art are concerned. However, for the story itself, this is his story to tell, not yours.
We are not animals, there is no "alpha" this or "beta" that. An alpha wolf will have his pick of mates but another wolf could come in and fight him then take his position and be the Alpha and the females will be his. You think if a man came in and beat the husband up, his wife would fall in love with him and be his? No because we are humans not animals so the whole "Pascal is more alpha" logic does not make sense at all.

The problem is with Lucie herself who cheated in front of MC and got mad at him for not being ok with it and did more fucked up shit that you should never do to a normal friend let alone your BF.

She is by far the worst Li I've seen to date.
 
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Osamabeenfappin

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We are not animals, there is no "alpha" this or "beta" that. An alpha wolf will have his pick of mates but another wolf could come in and fight him then take his position and be the Alpha and the females will be his. You think if a man came in and beat the husband up, his wife would fool in love with him and be his? No because we are humans not animals so the whole "Pascal is more alpha" logic does not make sense at all.

The problem is with Lucie herself who cheated in front of MC and got mad at him for not being ok with it and did more fucked shit that you should never do to a normal friend let alone your BF.

She is by far the worst Li I've seen to date.

These hoes ain't loyal
 

SeveredRealms

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Here is a thought.... We have a pussy for a mc. a bitch for a LI and a guy creating and using what is essentially a date rape drug on girls. Mc has access to said drug. MC grows balls and takes it uses it to either go to the police or blackmail the antagonist with the threat of reporting it to the police where the antagonist would spend most of his life in jail.
I know I know the dev doesnt have time to write a believable story right right.... But he does have time to write a non romance story with no choice contradictory to what lepew says since nothing matters choice wise. So lets keep writing a NTR only game where girls are put on a date rape drug and let the antagonist well rape them so maybe a moderator should read this and add a rape tag since that is essentially what Pascal is doing.
 

le hérisson

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Salut tout le monde,
Non seulement on a un jeu en français ce qui est rare mais en plus c'est un jeu bien fait.
Les images, l'histoire, l'évolution du jeu, les images à rechercher,...c'est du très bon.
D'ailleurs les critiques sont plutôt bonnes et parfois intéressantes en effet.
Merci donc pour ce jeu.

PS: Existe-t-il un walkthrough?
 

KingWeWuz

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It can be a way to add a quick sex scene tbh, I don't really like it but I get why would some devs add it. But not when it's this kind of "dream fuck".
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But hey, here we go again with the "technically not NTR" stuff :FacePalm:
I think a "dream ntr sequence" should still have an ntr tag.

If he says the game was 100% a dream can he get the no sexual content tag? No. That would be stupid.

I'm just glad I search ntr before playing because these devs feel like they're desperate to include the content into the game without adding the tag.
 

Vivienne S.

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Its not you your good its the guy writing this story that has no idea wtf he is writing. he has no idea what a romance path should be and continues to carry on when he could easily tweak it so none of it happens and the girls are protected on the romance path but he is too thick headed to understand wtf a romance path should be. Mc should have walked up stopped her from leaving kicking and screaming if he must till she comes down from the drug. fuck I have literally had to do that shit in real life but this dev is fucking clueless.
I understand your criticism and it´s legit. But the point of no return should be earlier and the two paths (faithful love vs. slutty ending) should have been set before that party. in the faithful path Lucie would not participate in that girl.girl scene at all, while in the slutty path she would, but without any kind of drug involved. Same for the next, not yet published part of the story. In the faithful lovey dovey path Lucie would get kidnapped and saved, in the sluuty path she would happily get into into a mess in a consensual way. As is now there are no real convincing options for diverse, surprising endings and the dev has a big problem with logic. Besides that it still is a very nice project. But we are not here for Shakespeare lessons, after all. He he...
 

Liam the Handyman

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Yall must be muricans cos there ain't no NTR here, see... yall should be more open minded...

Ok jokes aside...

I too, have made a number of critique against the story's current direction but lets not get all bashy on dev. He just has a tighter opinion on what NTR is and a very broad defination on Romance.
 

fiuojui

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I think a "dream ntr sequence" should still have an ntr tag.

If he says the game was 100% a dream can he get the no sexual content tag? No. That would be stupid.

I'm just glad I search ntr before playing because these devs feel like they're desperate to include the content into the game without adding the tag.
But NTR is when the girlfriend cheat on the NC right ? Or is just when she fuck someone else ?
Because in the dream the NC is here... So is more like "gangbang" ?
 

mcv

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Hey all, little bug for me : day 11 doesn't have text :/
Downloaded the latest version and all texts are missing (dialogues and choices).
Any ideas ?
 
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