VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lust Campus [C3 Final] [RedLolly]

[moskyx]

I think I haven't read anywhere that C5 will be released with old art. Why people keep saying that?

 

[Chimi Changa]

I think I haven't read anywhere that C5 will be released with old art. Why people keep saying that?

i think its going to be the old art, if i recall she says that joanna and javier they're still working for the chapter 5 before javier leaves while the one artist was doing reworking all the chapters

 

[TheDeviant]

I think I haven't read anywhere that C5 will be released with old art. Why people keep saying that?

From her Q&A in November:

• Does that mean we're going to have to wait half a year or more to see the C1 reissue?

No, you won't have to wait that long. I asked Javier to work together on a final chapter (C5), to take advantage of those months to find a new artist and have time to redesign the entire video game.

Full update post:

Latest Patreon update:

Let's talk about some changes.
Hey guys, too long without writing here and I have many things to tell you, so I already warn you that this is going to be a long post.
First of all, I want to apologize for being so missing and not meeting the delivery deadline for the C5. It is not a subject that I want to give many details about, but at the end of October the doctors detected a cyst in my mother's mouth and had to operate on her urgently, so all my energy has been dedicated to that. The operation was delicate, but for now she is recovering quite well and we are waiting for the cyst to be analyzed.
I am sorry that you have to wait longer for the chapter and that you have worried about not having news of me in so long, but for me the family comes first and at this moment they needed me, I hope you can understand it.
But don't worry! Chapter 5 is progressing slowly, we continue to work hard on LC.

And speaking of LC, I think it's time to explain the new changes that are going to happen after the C5 is released.
Chapter 5 will be the last in which Javier works as an artist for RedLolly. In July, after working on chapter 4, Javier told me something that we had already realized while working on the rest of the chapters: the more explicit scenes he drew, the more uncomfortable he felt. Obviously this was something that he did not imagine when starting the project, but the truth is that this discomfort has resulted in a deficit of erotic illustrations, as many of you have told me.
So, in July, when Javier informed me of his decision to leave the project, I could only think of one thing: "holy crap!" (Also let's not forget that that was the month my dental nightmare started).
For me, Javier leaving the project meant problems, and big ones. But that was his decision, and if it meant he was going to be happier, I was kind of happy for him in a way.
But let's get back to the "holy crap" thing. At that time I had several options: I could close the LC project, leave it unfinished, and close RedLolly; or close the LC project, find another artist and start a new project within RedLolly; or continue LC with another artist and deal with the problems it would pose.
The simple answer would have been to close the project and finish all this. That would have meant taking 0 risks. But LC has been my life for the last year and for nothing in the world was I going to allow this to die without fighting for it with all my might. So I decided to find a new artist and continue with LC.

• What will this mean for the video game?

After C5, all the sprites and LC illustrations will be changed and LC will start again from C1, three months later we will publish the reissue of C2, and so on with all the chapters.

• Is LC going to lose the artistic quality it had until now?

Every artist is different, so it is impossible for art to be the same. I know that Javier's art is incredible, I have been fortunate to be able to work with an exceptional artist, but even if the style changes a little, it will continue to have the same intention of being high quality art with aesthetic taste. We have also considered finding a compromise between quality and being able to produce more images per chapter, which I think is something that was lacking in LC until now. Although, that you will have to value when you see it.

• Does that mean we're going to have to wait half a year or more to see the C1 reissue?

No, you won't have to wait that long. I asked Javier to work together on a final chapter (C5), to take advantage of those months to find a new artist and have time to redesign the entire video game. That has meant combining the work involved in making a new chapter with interviewing the artists, and directing all of LC's art change. Besides, of course, since August I have been paying two artists: Javier for the art of the C5, and the new artist for the redesign of the C1, with me running out of benefits these months.
Are you getting the idea that it has not been a very fun few months, right? I can promise you that they have been anything but calm.
The good part is that right now the new style is already settled and almost all the sprites are redesigned, so much of the work involved in redoing LC is already done.

• So we're going to have to replay LC with new art and that's it?

No, in the process of redesigning the chapters we will also incorporate new scenes and characters, so that you can enjoy the game without making it tedious. This is the time for you to share what scenes you have missed or what characters you would like to incorporate! Inside the bad, at least I want to see the positive side of all this and make you participate in the changes. I have made a new google questionnaire so that you can send all your suggestions (

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).

• What a pain in the ass, I don't want to play the same chapters again!

I'm really sorry, but it's the only possible option right now. This is not how I would have liked LC to progress, but sometimes when you're a small developer, there aren't many other options. I'm going to work hard to make the best version of LC, but I understand that some of you don't want to accompany me in the process and these things take time. Hopefully, if you come back to play LC in a year, you'll be able to enjoy it again with the new art.

Any question you have about this you can leave it in the comments and I will answer it as soon as I can,


This is a post that has been making me afraid to write for a long time, because I know that it is news that many of you will not like. The only thing I can do is try to face this new challenge with a curious look to see how it will be solved and what I can learn from all this, and not with a look that judges it as a failure. Hopefully you can do the same.
I can promise you that after getting through all of this, hell will seem easy to me.
Thanks for your support and I hope you like the decisions I can make in the reissue.

 

[moskyx]

From her Q&A in November:

• Does that mean we're going to have to wait half a year or more to see the C1 reissue?

No, you won't have to wait that long. I asked Javier to work together on a final chapter (C5), to take advantage of those months to find a new artist and have time to redesign the entire video game.

Full update post:

Thanks, didn't remember that

 

[Overfoxed]

I'm conflicted about the next update featuring the old art - seems like a waste of effort on the dev's part (and dare I say, a waste of money commissioning art from an artist who has left the project?)

 

[gokaigold13]

By this point, it's been too long. Using an outdated artwork for the next update, after being strung along for months, I doubt there is any in C5 that is going to be work such a long wait. And since there will be new art update later, I foresee and even longer wait for update next time.

 

[Mesmerizet]

Guy doing the art was a twat and refused to keep doing it or allow it to be used in the future. 1 more release is coming before, but then it's a restart with not as good/more cartoony art. Hopefully old saves will work once the one after that comes out, which could be forever from now. Though if it's ONLY the imagery being updated it shouldn't be as long and old saves should work.

tl;dr Javier is a fucking dick. Not only did he knowingly sign up for a project that will obviously involve very sexual scenes, the lazy fuck wants to get paid 20-30% of the future sales of the project (which is not much now, but if LC stands to be as large as other VNs out there, it could even go to several grand a month) for sitting on his ass and just having designed the existing 4 chapters (keep in mind he's already been paid thousands for this already)

So basically, idts you should blame Joanna over this when its clearly Javier's doing. Had there not been this falling out, LC would be running at Ch6 already. She's probably going to lose patrons, have to pay two artists (Javier & the new guy to redo all old art simultaneously) and there's a very high chance that this project does get abandoned mid-way if people stop funding it, and they're likely to do it if it goes for months without an update.

I assume that's why Javier agreed to Ch5 (although I can't really say if that will help the case because of his "issue" with sex scenes). The only thing I can see wrong here is a royalty deal; they should have just agreed to paying him a cut as long as he supports/works for the project. In that case Javier could just complete Ch5, and fuck off and Joanna and the new artist could work on Ch6 onwards without having to redo so much work.

 

[Mesmerizet]

On-topic though I think the new Tom looks rather better than the old Tom.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

There is a Lei redesign too on patreon. Can some kind soul share it?

 

[FugginDamaged]

There is a Lei redesign too on patreon. Can some kind soul share it?

honestly this is the most important redesign, and it will define if i will keep playing (probably will tho)

 

[MGUltimate]

Javier should get a katana shoved up his ass and broken glass punched down his throat.

 

[Overfoxed]

Javier should get a katana shoved up his ass and broken glass punched down his throat.

My man, now might be a good time to remember it's just a game xD

 

[LeeCleef]

Regarding the doubts about whether Javier is still working on chapter 5, someone asked Javier in one of his instagram posts about chapter 5. This was his response:

 

[LeeCleef]

tl;dr Javier is a fucking dick. Not only did he knowingly sign up for a project that will obviously involve very sexual scenes, the lazy fuck wants to get paid 20-30% of the future sales of the project (which is not much now, but if LC stands to be as large as other VNs out there, it could even go to several grand a month) for sitting on his ass and just having designed the existing 4 chapters (keep in mind he's already been paid thousands for this already)

So basically, idts you should blame Joanna over this when its clearly Javier's doing. Had there not been this falling out, LC would be running at Ch6 already. She's probably going to lose patrons, have to pay two artists (Javier & the new guy to redo all old art simultaneously) and there's a very high chance that this project does get abandoned mid-way if people stop funding it, and they're likely to do it if it goes for months without an update.

I assume that's why Javier agreed to Ch5 (although I can't really say if that will help the case because of his "issue" with sex scenes). The only thing I can see wrong here is a royalty deal; they should have just agreed to paying him a cut as long as he supports/works for the project. In that case Javier could just complete Ch5, and fuck off and Joanna and the new artist could work on Ch6 onwards without having to redo so much work.

This whole matter of rights is easy to explain:
Javier is a co-founder of Red Lolly, at least that's what he reflects on his social networks and that's what they implied in his presentation on Patreon, therefore a percentage of the company is his. If Javier leaves the project, he has three options: just give his part to his partner, sell that part to her, or ask for a percentage of the monthly profits. But his part of the company is entirely his and, therefore, he has complete rights over it.
Assuming they work as a company. If not, if they are simply friends who wanted to do a project together, then each one owns the part that he has done and, therefore, if they break up, each one takes his part and that's it. It is like, for example, if in a relationship with your girlfriend you buy the car. You both use it, she often uses it to go to work but in return she always pays gas and taxes, etc... If the relationship breaks down, the car remains yours, you have every right to take the car, but, since your now ex-girlfriend needs it more than you do, you agree to sell it to her or she pays you a small monthly rent to use it.

It's a very different case when you're an employee or a freelancer doing commissioned work for a company. Usually they make you sign a document that you agree to assign in perpetuity the copyright of commercial use of the material you make for them, you agree to resign your copyright forever. So if you make them an illustration, they pay you what was agreed and that's it, you can't claim anything in the future because you've signed a rights assignment contract.

 

[LeeCleef]

the lazy fuck wants to get paid 20-30% of the future sales of the project

Sorry for insisting on these aspects. But I also work as a content creator and I'm very sensitive about copyright issues (although I'm in a pirate forum... it's one thing to know the law and another to follow it, hehehe, but, of course, I don't consider that it is "a right" to pirate content, I am aware that it is wrong)
You are basically accusing Javier of simply enforcing his rights. Certainly he could have kindly given away all the content he created without asking for anything in return, but hey, almost all of us like to get paid for our work, right?. Both options - giving away his work or asking for money in exchange for it - are perfectly respectable, I think.

If you still have doubts about how this copyright is going, here is a summary:

Ownership
For literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works, the author or creator of the work is the first owner of any copyright in it.
However, if you made the work as an employee, your employer is usually the copyright owner, unless you have agreed otherwise. In these cases contractual terms are often the actual rules governing the ownership of a work, so you should carefully check all clauses to understand who owns the several exclusive rights involved.

If you create a work with other people, this usually results in joint ownership of the copyright. If someone wants to use this work, they need the permission of all the copyright holders, not just one.

Economic rights
The copyright owner has the exclusive right to copy the work, issue copies of the work to the public, rent or lend the work to the public, perform, show or play the work in public, communicate the work to the public, edit or adapt the work, sell or license the copyright for use by others.

 

[dolfe67]

Certainly he could have kindly given away all the content he created without asking for anything in return, but hey, almost all of us like to get paid for our work, right?.

He was already paid though. Sure he's in his rights to want a monthly income but that's an asshole move nonetheless

 

[moskyx]

He was already paid though. Sure he's in his rights to want a monthly income but that's an asshole move nonetheless

As long as your content keeps generating revenues, you have the right to ask for your compensation. When his art is no longer in the game, that's when he will be already fully paid, not before

 

[Overfoxed]

As long as your content keeps generating revenues, you have the right to ask for your compensation. When his art is no longer in the game, that's when he will be already fully paid, not before

Emphasis mine.

This is a good example of why any partnership - even one made in the spirit of making jack-worthy sex games - should have a clear written agreement on each partner's rights with regards to the end product. Helps avoid any "messy divorces" like this one.

 

[slightchance]

I don't know anything about Javier, what his motivation for joining and leaving the project was, what their contract said etc. What I do know is that artists usually not only charge for the art they're being paid to create but for all the additional rights that come with it.

>>You'd like to hang a picture on your wall with your favourite character riding an opossum? Cool, that'll cost $50. You'll also need the rights to publish, duplicate and manipulate it so you can sell it and make a profit? Well, add two zeros to the price tag and I'll think about it.<<

 

[Yumiyah]

so how is the best girl Lei redesign looking ?