moskyx
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I'm conflicted about the next update featuring the old art - seems like a waste of effort on the dev's part (and dare I say, a waste of money commissioning art from an artist who has left the project?)
By this point, it's been too long. Using an outdated artwork for the next update, after being strung along for months, I doubt there is any in C5 that is going to be work such a long wait. And since there will be new art update later, I foresee and even longer wait for update next time.
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tl;dr Javier is a fucking dick. Not only did he knowingly sign up for a project that will obviously involve very sexual scenes, the lazy fuck wants to get paid 20-30% of the future sales of the project (which is not much now, but if LC stands to be as large as other VNs out there, it could even go to several grand a month) for sitting on his ass and just having designed the existing 4 chapters (keep in mind he's already been paid thousands for this already)
So basically, idts you should blame Joanna over this when its clearly Javier's doing. Had there not been this falling out, LC would be running at Ch6 already. She's probably going to lose patrons, have to pay two artists (Javier & the new guy to redo all old art simultaneously) and there's a very high chance that this project does get abandoned mid-way if people stop funding it, and they're likely to do it if it goes for months without an update.
I assume that's why Javier agreed to Ch5 (although I can't really say if that will help the case because of his "issue" with sex scenes). The only thing I can see wrong here is a royalty deal; they should have just agreed to paying him a cut as long as he supports/works for the project. In that case Javier could just complete Ch5, and fuck off and Joanna and the new artist could work on Ch6 onwards without having to redo so much work.
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On-topic though I think the new Tom looks rather better than the old Tom.
RC-1138 Boss
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There is a Lei redesign too on patreon. Can some kind soul share it? 
FugginDamaged
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honestly this is the most important redesign, and it will define if i will keep playing (probably will tho)There is a Lei redesign too on patreon. Can some kind soul share it?
My man, now might be a good time to remember it's just a game xD
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Regarding the doubts about whether Javier is still working on chapter 5, someone asked Javier in one of his instagram posts about chapter 5. This was his response:
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LeeCleef
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Sorry for insisting on these aspects. But I also work as a content creator and I'm very sensitive about copyright issues (although I'm in a pirate forum... it's one thing to know the law and another to follow it, hehehe, but, of course, I don't consider that it is "a right" to pirate content, I am aware that it is wrong)
You are basically accusing Javier of simply enforcing his rights. Certainly he could have kindly given away all the content he created without asking for anything in return, but hey, almost all of us like to get paid for our work, right?. Both options - giving away his work or asking for money in exchange for it - are perfectly respectable, I think.
If you still have doubts about how this copyright is going, here is a summary:
Ownership
For literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works, the author or creator of the work is the first owner of any copyright in it.
However, if you made the work as an employee, your employer is usually the copyright owner, unless you have agreed otherwise. In these cases contractual terms are often the actual rules governing the ownership of a work, so you should carefully check all clauses to understand who owns the several exclusive rights involved.
If you create a work with other people, this usually results in joint ownership of the copyright. If someone wants to use this work, they need the permission of all the copyright holders, not just one.
Economic rights
The copyright owner has the exclusive right to copy the work, issue copies of the work to the public, rent or lend the work to the public, perform, show or play the work in public, communicate the work to the public, edit or adapt the work, sell or license the copyright for use by others.
dolfe67
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He was already paid though. Sure he's in his rights to want a monthly income but that's an asshole move nonetheless
moskyx
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As long as your content keeps generating revenues, you have the right to ask for your compensation. When his art is no longer in the game, that's when he will be already fully paid, not before
Emphasis mine.
This is a good example of why any partnership - even one made in the spirit of making jack-worthy sex games - should have a clear written agreement on each partner's rights with regards to the end product. Helps avoid any "messy divorces" like this one.
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I don't know anything about Javier, what his motivation for joining and leaving the project was, what their contract said etc. What I do know is that artists usually not only charge for the art they're being paid to create but for all the additional rights that come with it.
>>You'd like to hang a picture on your wall with your favourite character riding an opossum? Cool, that'll cost $50. You'll also need the rights to publish, duplicate and manipulate it so you can sell it and make a profit? Well, add two zeros to the price tag and I'll think about it.<<
>>You'd like to hang a picture on your wall with your favourite character riding an opossum? Cool, that'll cost $50. You'll also need the rights to publish, duplicate and manipulate it so you can sell it and make a profit? Well, add two zeros to the price tag and I'll think about it.<<
Um, guys. GUYS. You keep blaming Javier for everything cuz it feels good to rage but can we focus on this for a moment? The art for chapter 5 has been ready since November. It is February. Doesn't something feel off? Like maybe, just maybe, Javier is not the problem here?
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yep, i also think that the Javier thing of getting a share of money even if he's done with the project was a lie (this is just my speculation), but its better if we could really know the story from Javier himself
This thread here is one of the best examples how the Patreon dream of having no bosses, can turn into the nightmare of having way too many...
As far as I can tell, no one here has any real insight into what is going on beyond a couple of public statements by the developer and a very short twitter exchange with the artist.
If you pour money into any patreon project, expecting a simple customer-vendor-relationship or an employer-employee one, you're doing it wrong. If you see something you'd like to support, do so if you can afford to, and if it doesn't seem to live up to expectations, whatever they may be, just pull your funding. You're allowed to ask questions and voice criticism or disappointment, obviously, but pestering the recipient(s) with hate speech and accusations is just toxic entitled behaviour. Especially when they are as speculative as here.
As far as I can tell, no one here has any real insight into what is going on beyond a couple of public statements by the developer and a very short twitter exchange with the artist.
If you pour money into any patreon project, expecting a simple customer-vendor-relationship or an employer-employee one, you're doing it wrong. If you see something you'd like to support, do so if you can afford to, and if it doesn't seem to live up to expectations, whatever they may be, just pull your funding. You're allowed to ask questions and voice criticism or disappointment, obviously, but pestering the recipient(s) with hate speech and accusations is just toxic entitled behaviour. Especially when they are as speculative as here.
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