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- Apr 25, 2020
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Sad to see this one set back so much. It's a really good one and so full of potential. Really like the main character (I have a thing for hot gingers, ok?) and her premise and there are lots of very interesting side pieces already.
A real shame what happened with the first artist; the new art is good and has gotten better although in a different, less life-like more comicbook style so I certainly hope to see it finished, even if I imagine how heavy a blow the dev determination must have suffered.
A real shame what happened with the first artist; the new art is good and has gotten better although in a different, less life-like more comicbook style so I certainly hope to see it finished, even if I imagine how heavy a blow the dev determination must have suffered.
So I didn't had answer at "by Multiple Protagonist mod: is there you desable both male and female or just disbale all male characters choise, like that nerd? or it disable male and female regardless if we want play only with Female Chracter choise, like bonnie for exepmle or MC best friends?" How it work tha enable disable mod?
There are many scenes when the MC gets her phone... but the phone is still in her pocket...
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Because whether we like it or not, most people who play female protag games want exactly that: a shy female to turn into a cum dumpster. There is a minority of people who like confident heroic, or also a villain, female mc, but that's the minority, unfortunately.
Karryn Prison says hello, like the most popular corruption game on site and there is nothing shy about her, this is clearly just not true, also most corruption games present you with exacly that, some warrior princess that is strong and confident and you can corrupt her trough the game.
GGGB is second most popular, the reality is that most people that write those types of games outside of "official" dev teams are amateur guys with no writing expirience so they just write cliche stuff that already worked before and it has nothing to do with "most people wont like it otherwise" because clearly most people love GGGB/Karryn Prison.
Oh, but I agree with you. I love those games when you can play dominant badass woman.
What I am trying to say is, if you are a dev of a female protag game, you can do without the confident, dominant female route, but you cannot do without the corrupted submissive route, and multiple routes require much more work. So, what do they do? They go with the cliche stuff.
I feel like most games that only has corruption and no alternative are all badly recieved tho, if you are railroaded into it and you have no choice its not the same.
I recently played https://f95zone.to/threads/anera-the-demon-tower-v1-31-final-camaros.44367/ for example.
And outside of corruption its a cute lesbian love story about childhood friends and it did not require that much work to write it into the story i bet.
https://f95zone.to/threads/anna-exciting-affection-ch-2-v0-98-deepsleep.2689/ on the other hand has zero choice, you either get fucked or you get some broken scripts because dev didnt bother to properly code the alternative, you can see it in reviews and most people not happy with it, the game is nice looking and that the only thing that keeps it going, i heard chapter 2 improved on the choice department tho so maybe dev learned.
But yea, i whish there was more games like in your sig "Luna's Fall from graces" is pretty good example of choice based corruption game.
- Sep 28, 2017
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The original artist was uncomfortable with the increasingly explicit nature of the game and wanted to stop, so the dev let him, and they found a new artist. This isn't a "patreon scammer" type thing, this is a "indie projects tend to hit bumps that change the whole project", which is why you see projects get derailed on Patreon all the time, as Patreon is where devs with no support go to get supporters.
But still, its kinda stupid strategy, and this is why so many devs abandoned their games, cuz sometime they dragged their development cycle to get more money, and then from time to time, they lose their patron to the point the money they get monthly from patreon, cant support their next updates budget, this is what we called milking and can be considered as a crime of fraud (Cuz their patron support them to finished their game and get full games in the future, but instead they betrayed their patron and abandoned their game) .
And the problem with this Dev, is that she choose to rework the game from the beginning again, when they can just replaced all of the old arts, and tweaks the story a little bit so it can catch up to the old version and give her patron a "Fully fresh/new" Contents, cuz all those 5 chapter story its not that deep into the main story yet, and can literally add so many things using that previous story as a foundation and this dev also choose to release chapter 5 in the past when the old artist already said he wants to quit and copyrighted all his art in old version of the game (He is asshole for sure for doing that, no doubt about it), i mean, she can just scrap the project the moment the old artist wants to quit, and start the reworks right there, instead, she choose to released that useless chapter 5 and wasted so many months of development cycles because of that.
She also said that the new version of chapter 5 supposed to be released around august this years, which is not happening, so yeah, being indie developer doesnt mean they cant do that milking stuff, instead they are the ones who probably do that milking stuff more often than other type of dev out there, and based on how this dev do all her works, theres so much reason for people here calling her out for milking her games.
- Apr 14, 2020
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the original artist had totally no idea what's he into right from the beginning or the dev mislead him ?
- Sep 28, 2017
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I doubt she misled him, it's more likely that the more explicit content was more popular (because of course it is), and it just escalated to scenes that he wasn't comfortable with - especially if he's a professional artist, which he likely is, he wouldn't have wanted his professional name to be associated with porn.
- May 25, 2022
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Hi sorry to bother u, but would u mind to share alternative link for this? Because this link is inaccessible thanks in advance
- May 10, 2018
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I understand that the artist left and a new artist joined, however that doesn't mean that all the existing story elements have to be thrown out.
It is entirely possible to start to replace the art while keeping the already existing scenes with the old art or, if the agreement with the old artist means that already delivered art can't be used going forward, with some placeholders. And all this can be explained in the game, on Patreon, wherever.
This also removes the issue of people coming in every couple updates suddenly going "hm.... the version I have from half a year ago has way more content." And then moving on, filing this under "ah, another game that won't ever progress".
These games take an insane amount of time to make even without setbacks, people are not good at waiting, so moving back just fuels the impatience.
Let's hope the new artist will catch up soon, and the next release will include the for now removed scenes plus something new.
- Jun 17, 2019
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The thing is that everything was properly explained in their Patreon, and it was also brought in here and discussed ad nauseam a couple of years ago, and yet people are still complaining about it today because they can't be bothered to do a little research before venting and shitting on a dev, maybe because that's just the cool thing to do in these forums.
I don't think it's that difficult to understand. For some reason, the dev was stupid enough to let the old artist have the power to demand her to delete all he created for their game, but she was also lucky enough to find kind of a suitable replacement before it was too late. When she got everything ready again, she informed her patrons that she will be redoing the project from scratch so that everything would feel 'complete' with the new art, as this new artist would allow her to expand the scenes. I can't honestly think of any proper reason to rush things and use placeholders (ick) instead of rebuilding the game as she had envisioned. Now, she sure hasn't met the expected deadlines for this rework (deadlines that she announced to us), but that's a different topic and there are only 2 people in this world who can say if this is milking or just poor planning and/or creative limitations. But I can't really get this entitlement we pirates tend to show when something is not done at the pace we'd wish.
- May 10, 2018
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Thanks for going personal and drag in your own assumptions, that's always the healthy way to do things.
I am not sure what entitlements you have, I wasn't asking about them, but it's your decision if you want to share them.
Anyhoo, I agree, it's entirely reasonable to expect people to go back in forums a couple years to see what's going on with today's release.
Have an awesome week.
- Jun 17, 2019
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Well, if people are aware there has been an art change, that's because they knew about this game back when the old artist was working on it, not because they have just stumbled upon this remake for the first time. But instead of trying to learn what happened or even simply asking about the reasons for the change and its circumstances, they prefer to make and share some false assumptions like 'And all this can be explained in the game, on Patreon, wherever.' Well, it happens it was actually explained to the game's patrons at the time, and suggesting nothing was told only can cast shadows of doubt over the dev's behaviour, misleading people to believe there's some kind of scheme going on; then, an 'I know better' opinion about other's creative work can be disputed, can't it? Now if you prefer to focus on my words instead of reflecting on your own mistakes, that's fine by me. Have an awesome life.