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Neither this nor Lesson and Loyalty have anything to do with NTR... Different trope entirely. Don't even start with that shit.Looks like this is an NTR game if you play Lesson in Loyalty too
Might not be ntr but it certainly cuck shit, call it voyeur, or whatever. LIs getting fucked everywhere, MC just waiting for his turn like a dumbass
But yeah, semantics
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lol, not semantics either. There's some voyeur in LiL, but there is no cucking nor any NTR in either LoP or LiL. Again those are completely different tropes absent thus far from both VNs which is why neither one is tagged with those tropes. Stop spreading misinformation dude.Might not be ntr but it certainly cuck shit, call it voyeur, or whatever. LIs getting fucked everywhere, MC just waiting for his turn like a dumbass
But yeah, semantics
Ye, ye. You dont consider it cuck. Most people do, since they are LI. I never said anything that wasn't true, as you call it voyeur as well, you just disagree on subjective shit.
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Fixed it for you.
The voyeur scenes in LiL are when MC and his boss are watching co-workers fuck in the storage closet, or when MC watches the lesbos or when Jane watches MC fuck the brunette. That's voyeur. Cuckoldry is something completely different. If MC had a girlfriend or wife and got off on her fucking other dudes, that's cuckoldry. Not in either game. If MC had a rival that stole a significant other and was forced into unwilling cuckoldry (yes, both a rival and a relationship is required), that would be a completely different trope (NTR) that is likewise NOT in either game. These MCs are not rivals nor do they antagonize eachother at any point.
So sorry, but no... you are spreading misinformation because you seem to incorrectly consider any situation where an LI has a sex life beyond the MC's cock to be "cucking". Most people can understand the difference. So again, stop spreading misinformation about VNs. Don't label shit "cucking" or "NTR" until you're familiar enough with these tropes to accurately comment on them.
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Full of cuck, it is the formula of these games. Call it voyeur or whatver. Hell, didnt even read the cope you wrote
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Duh, and inceton is not infamous for their technically it's not ntr, like videos, flashbacks etc...
LiL has the main LI's fucking their husbands (optional, yes), yeah not ntr, still for the same audience, most romance, harem etc. players ain't wanna see that with the LI's and the MC in this one has already something with the maid if i remember correctly...so they sure are rivals and it sure gives cuck vibes, even if it is technically not ntr.
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Still cracks me up that some people here actually get offended by something as normal as a wife fucking her own husband. You're right it's not NTR, and you're right that it's optional. So the solution to that one is simple. If one's insecurities get triggered by seeing Lilie's lips wrapped around her own husband's cock, then they don't have to watch the scene. (though ironically that scene allows her to realize her husband is cheating on her in the first place, which is probably what puts her on the LI path). Still doesn't have jackshit to do with cucking or NTR either way.
The maid isn't with anyone, nor is she technically romancing either MC yet. She's not cheating on either of them, nor do either have any claim over her whatsoever. She's free to fuck whomever she wants at this stage of the story(ies). So again, nothing to do with cucking. It's a completely unrelated trope. And the MCs aren't rivals nor do they have anything resembling an antagonistic relationship. They've barely interacted at all apart from a fistbump. NTR is fundamentally based on an antagonist stealing the protagonists significant other. "Feelings" or "vibes" or people's misconceptions about NTR really don't change the fact that NTR is literally not present in either LoP or LiL hence why it's not a tag in either VN.
Besides, literally the closest thing to a potential NTR rivalry in either game is the asshole gym instructor in LiL, but it's looking more like the MC is taking "clients" from him and not the other way around.
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Still cracks me up that some people still pretend like that kind of content doesn't appeal to cucks/ntr fans and only to them.
Because it is not a random wife/mother getting fucked by her partner, if that was the case no one would give a fuck. But it is when those women are LI that is the problem, since them being LI means they are in the game to have a relationship with the protagonist.
Everyone understands this unless they are just straight up reta--- low iq.
But sure, keep playing your game of semantics, not ntr maybe true, but aimed at cucks, also true, I think thats clear.
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I mean by definition it isn't ( it's just a wife and husband right didn't play this yet)
But also not everyone cares about LI getting action with a MC or not everyone is different.
Take me for instance I view lewd scenes like im watching porn it's just something nice to watch and enjoy. The only time it becomes cuck or NTR for me is if it's done without the players consent while in a relationship. But just because someone is a LI doesn't automatically mean I want them or going to play their path. So if they have relationship or sex with others prior to the MC on or off screen doesn't matter to me.
Besides I think it's more realistic and believable not every LI is going to wait around for a MC if they aren't on their path , makes the world feel more alive. Doesn't mean it needs to be shown but if it is whatever who cares. But the moment the are in a relationship that is more serious than FWB with the MC I don't want them to touch someone else unless I give the okay otherwise that be cheating and that is
. So I don't see it being aimed at cuck or NTR enjoyers even without playing it if it's literally just a husband and wife ( potential LI), unless the focus is literally on that content I just don't see it. From what I read it sounds like you are making a big deal over nothing.So really it boils down to your own point of view and interpretation of things not everyone is going to fully agree or see things the same.
By definition? It is cuck bro. If you want to see the woman you "like" or are aiming for getting fucked it is cuck. Theres no definitions or interpretations to have.I mean by definition it isn't ( it's just a wife and husband right didn't play this yet)
But also not everyone cares about LI getting action with a MC or not everyone is different.
Take me for instance I view lewd scenes like im watching porn it's just something nice to watch and enjoy. The only time it becomes cuck or NTR for me is if it's done without the players consent while in a relationship. But just because someone is a LI doesn't automatically mean I want them or going to play their path. So if they have relationship or sex with others prior to the MC on or off screen doesn't matter to me.
Besides I think it's more realistic and believable not every LI is going to wait around for a MC if they aren't on their path , makes the world feel more alive. Doesn't mean it needs to be shown but if it is whatever who cares. But the moment the are in a relationship that is more serious than FWB with the MC I don't want them to touch someone else unless I give the okay otherwise that be cheating and that is
So really it boils down to your own point of view and interpretation of things not everyone is going to fully agree or see things the same.
Again: - sex between NPCs husband and wife- cool.
- sex between mother and dad in a supposed incest mom/son game - cuck.
It is that simple, it is only on this sites where ntr needs to have some sort of a relationship with the woman. In the original japanese definition of ntr, it could be just a crush ir childhood friend, but sure, in this site the definition of ntr doesnt apply to those cuck voyeur scenes. But they are cuck 100%, it would be delusional to deny it.
You know there is a reason why you guys are having this conversation with hundreds of different dudes in every thread and yet you keep believing you are the only correct one, not really you, but the other one. Also some people use the word insecure without knowing what it means it seems the go to word to describe someone who disagrees with ya nowadays, it is hilarious but I am not surprised by such weak and cowardly passive aggressive comments, in fact, it would be weird to not see them.
Anyway, it is kind of off topic talk, and since I am putting the game on ignore anyway dont bother to replay unless you like barking at a tree. Peaces and peaches
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I agree and disagree with some of the things you said.I mean by definition it isn't ( it's just a wife and husband right didn't play this yet)
But also not everyone cares about LI getting action with a MC or not everyone is different.
Take me for instance I view lewd scenes like im watching porn it's just something nice to watch and enjoy. The only time it becomes cuck or NTR for me is if it's done without the players consent while in a relationship. But just because someone is a LI doesn't automatically mean I want them or going to play their path. So if they have relationship or sex with others prior to the MC on or off screen doesn't matter to me.
Besides I think it's more realistic and believable not every LI is going to wait around for a MC if they aren't on their path , makes the world feel more alive. Doesn't mean it needs to be shown but if it is whatever who cares. But the moment the are in a relationship that is more serious than FWB with the MC I don't want them to touch someone else unless I give the okay otherwise that be cheating and that is
So really it boils down to your own point of view and interpretation of things not everyone is going to fully agree or see things the same.
TL;DR
Since everyone is different then we should expect different opinions and feelings towards certain situations. Sadly, this isn't the place where adults can have conflicting opinions without someone getting triggered, therefore, I stop trying to be cordial.
One of the issues I've always had with some of the rules of this forum is that there's certain things that are outdated. Outdated rules and definitions means more unnecessary problems. The NTR rule is one of them because this forum clings to this old and outdated definition of what Netorare is. And there's not just one example or type of someone getting cucked last I checked.
You can say jealousy is one, sure, but there's two other versions of cuckolds. There's the men that can only get off if they have another person/s in their bedroom(usually another man) or seeing their wife with as many guys at once as possible. Making them feel like they have full control over what she does in the situation. Then there's the men that simply just enjoy being humiliated, getting spat on, verbally insulted, the whole nine yards. Usually them just sitting and watching with their dick in their cages is one form of how they get off all while stepping aside and watching their wives/partner in action.
So as annoying as some of these overly sensitive players can be common sense is still common sense last I checked. If I play a VN and a see certain characters or situations... I've been playing these long enough to know what's geared towards my interests or others. It's no different then clicking on a Netflix series. You're gonna want to know what genre you're checking out, right? You're gonna wanna know what genre, who's starring in it, the director, the studio, etc.
With regards to the whole LI's having sex with people that aren't the MC. I agree that it's foolish to assume that these characters are just sitting around waiting for the MC to along. And I'm okay with LI's not being a pure virgin and having a past. Some players want realism, right?
Well, he's another problem with that. If you want to go down that route where we're making these AVN's as real as possible then how on earth are players allowed to see these fly on the wall scenes? In real life I can't watch someone else who's not me fucking 1 hour away from me, can I? It doesn't happen.
If I'm creating a AVN where my story is supposed to revolve around my MC then why would I waste time making scenes for characters with limited roles when I could spend that time building up character relationships? In games like this where there's a "Mother figure" already married to your father(This is why I can't tolerate too many incest games) anyone with a brain should be able to deduce that they are most likely having sex. But unless I'm making a AVN where I have multiple protagonist then why would make a detailed scene of it? The only time I would do something like this is if I create a AVN similar to something like "We Were Just Kids" where there's multiple perspectives or I wanted create something reflecting that of a TV show/Soap Opera.
This goes for any character in any game.
I understand where you are coming from I just have a point of view and interpretation that is kind of the opposite of yours so naturally I still disagree. I just wanted to share my perspective and will leave it at that no need to talk circles anyways besides you are ignoring this game so no point anyways. Good Luck on your next game.