VN Ren'Py Abandoned Lust of Pain [v0.3] [Vilkas Creative]

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My bro that utopical world when you add both and everyone is fine with it does not exist and will never will for the simple fact that not all of us like to see the people we care about getting fucked by someone other than us. That's why reasonable devs don't try to put it in everything and call it a day. That old say "the more path and fetishes I add the more support I will get" is a lie like a house, you put NTR in a game an a lot of fandoms start jumping the ship.

This website's admins would solve this problem for good if they replaced the NTR tag with "avoidable NTR" and "unavoidable NTR", since, if I'm not mistaken, a lot of people exclude games based on tags alone. Same thing could be said for the distinction between the different kinds (Netorare/Netorase/Netori).

The last point could also be said for futa/trans.
In fact, both of these notorious "debates" are a result of bundling more than 1 kink in a tag and not specifying if it could be avoided using tags. It's an inevitability of every generic qualifier that ever existed. Turns out people don't want to take chances when it comes to things they hate, and it's a shame because a lot of titles would be discovered and appreciated otherwise.

 

[Lysergic]

I wanted to like this but goddamn it's some of the worst writing I've seen in a long time. The script is such a mess that a few of the scenes make literally no sense.

 

[bruce555]

If ntr avoidable both player happy some player like ntr what's next with cuck mc they enjoy it
Dev you think what best for this business
We support you

I have never and never will put my money into an NTR game even if it is avoidable. Therefore, the financial burdens will be NTR lovers! Lol.

 

[DoverDad]

Good thing I checked the comments otherwise I wouldn't know there will be trash ntr in the future updates. Well the tags aren't misleading at all right

 

[Kalsan]

This website's admins would solve this problem for good if they replaced the NTR tag with "avoidable NTR" and "unavoidable NTR", since, if I'm not mistaken, a lot of people exclude games based on tags alone. Same thing could be said for the distinction between the different kinds (Netorare/Netorase/Netori).

The last point could also be said for futa/trans.
In fact, both of these notorious "debates" are a result of bundling more than 1 kink in a tag and not specifying if it could be avoided using tags. It's an inevitability of every generic qualifier that ever existed. Turns out people don't want to take chances when it comes to things they hate, and it's a shame because a lot of titles would be discovered and appreciated otherwise.

The problem is not if the ntr is avoidable or not the problem is adding it in what it seem to be a harem/romance game, knowing that your target audience isn't into such a thing even if it is avoilable. If western AVN where like the Japanese market when you buy a finished game and you know what you are buying but here you pay and support devs for a promise that they will do what you like, so if now NTRish is a small side path what will happen if next month is a full path and then unavoidable. That's why reputation is the most valuable asset of a developer and sorry but a harem/romance dev that even have the slightest idea of adding NTRish stuff into his game is just not trustworthy enough.

Plus dev removed the ntr and cuckold future tags but keep telling us it will be in the game, that's outright lying, even if it is a tiny little bit of a side avoidable path it should be tagged. If NTR is such a good money maker why the hell devs run from it like it was the plague? But hey, it isn't technically ntr right? Hahaha

 

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The problem is not if the ntr is avoidable or bot the problem is adding it in what it seem to be a harem/romance game, knowing that your target audience isn't into such a thing even if it is avoilable. If western AVN where like the Japanese market when you buy a finished game and you know what you are buying but here you pay and support devs for a promise that they will do what you like, so if now NTRish is a small side path what will happen if next month is a full path and then unavoidable. That's why reputation is the most valuable asset of a developer and sorry but a harem/romance dev that even have the slightest idea of adding NTRish stuff into his game is just not trustworthy enough.

Financial support is a separate issue. Sadly, you can't guarantee anything when development is crowdfunded. Heck, most projects get abandoned after a while. You highlighted the crux of the issue right there.

And that's why I only buy finished products: I know what I'm getting

 

[Yashin95]

The problem is not if the ntr is avoidable or not the problem is adding it in what it seem to be a harem/romance game, knowing that your target audience isn't into such a thing even if it is avoilable. If western AVN where like the Japanese market when you buy a finished game and you know what you are buying but here you pay and support devs for a promise that they will do what you like, so if now NTRish is a small side path what will happen if next month is a full path and then unavoidable. That's why reputation is the most valuable asset of a developer and sorry but a harem/romance dev that even have the slightest idea of adding NTRish stuff into his game is just not trustworthy enough.

Plus dev removed the ntr and cuckold future tags but keep telling us it will be in the game, that's outright lying, even if it is a tiny little bit of a side avoidable path it should be tagged. If NTR is such a good money maker why the hell devs run from it like it was the plague? But hey, it isn't technically ntr right? Hahaha

I think you misunderstand the tags.There are no games that do not contain ntr. Tags are the content of the story, not the summary or theme. What the developer means is that some of the side characters are cheating but this does not affect the main story.

Just because the description says footjob doesn't mean the story will only be about foots.You need to change your perspective.

 

[freakanime]

Potential is there but given what the dev say "pleasing both sides" this wouldn't work.
Mainly because development of the story would be halve every update and both sides would just complain if no equal treatment.
Shame though I like the design but hard to support with the future tags though would still watch this closely if release are fast /story is good and I am not that bothered with the NTR since it is minimal might support it eventually.

For now goodluck to the dev tricky to combine the tags so you need it.

 

[08Hanbo]

NTR or Cuckold, neither is the theme of the game. They will only be in certain scenes within the game.

Different paths exist only in side stories.

Elections will not shorten the game. Because the choices have nothing to do with the main story.

There will be only small selections in the main story.

Looks like you already met local: "NTR haters" gang. People often see them in each new game thread. Don't mind them. Best left ignored.

 

[bruce555]

Looks like you already met local: "NTR haters" gang. People often see them in each new game thread. Don't mind them. Best left ignored.

We are ... 'legion'.

 

[Drafox]

Just as the dance of dragons is about to start so is the NTR war
May the best side win *buys popcorn

 

[Kalsan]

You cannot add NTRish stuff to a story and pretend it doesn't change the story, that's outright lying. MC been a normal person or cuckold makes all the difference. I don't care if it is a small part and most players don't either. But hey if you want to let white knight and cucks guide your game be my guest, who I'm to dissuade you from shooting yourself on the foot?
Look at the bright side:
"It is just a tiny little NTR scene what is the harm?" Is an pretty original thing to put in a tombstone right?

 

[Hildegardt]

"But think about all the money you could make, if you catered to me specifically!", said the pirate, who wouldn't even know this game exists, if it wasn't leaked for free.

 

[voyeurkind]

NTR is one of the most poorly defined and nebulous terms on this site. I'll wait unt I see what it means -- or if I even encounter it -- before passing judgment.

 

[kinghardbest2014]

The game needs both sides for more fun especially NTR reset the Tag

 

[Kalsan]

"But think about all the money you could make, if you catered to me specifically!", said the pirate, who wouldn't even know this game exists, if it wasn't leaked for free.

To me? So now catering to normal people is a niche it seems. I live in communist country and I know how markets works better than you obviously. Let's make a little mental exercise:
What is the main focus of the plot?
-Romance and possibly harem
What is your target audience?
-Romance and harem fans obviously
Does adding any type of NTRish content please my target audience?
-Nop
Why do I want to keep my target audience happy?
- Because my little lost lamp there is a thing called potential supporters, a very important concepts if you plan on living out of patreon. Yes we are all pirates but most of the supporters any game has is because of players that saw the games in pirates sites and decided to support the project.
Please for humankind wellbeing, think before you write anything online.

 

[jekass69]

no vaginal sex?

 

[Vilkas Creative]

To me? So now catering to normal people is a niche it seems. I live in communist country and I know how markets works better than you obviously. Let's make a little mental exercise:
What is the main focus of the plot?
-Romance and possibly harem
What is your target audience?
-Romance and harem fans obviously
Does adding any type of NTRish content please my target audience?
-Nop
Why do I want to keep my target audience happy?
- Because my little lost lamp there is a thing called potential supporters, a very important concepts if you plan on living out of patreon. Yes we are all pirates but most of the supporters any game has is because of players that saw the games in pirates sites and decided to support the project.
Please for humankind wellbeing, think before you write anything online.

no we are not targeting a specific audience or dealing with what that audience likes we are going to tell a tragic event and this is just the prologue part of the story

 

[Chimba]

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why remove the planned ntr and cuckold tags? it will be worse when the scene appears without a tag , at least with them the player knows in advance what to expect and whether or not he wants to invest time and/or money in the game... (if the content is going to be in the game, removing those tags from the list would be misleading players and possible patrons, not a good thing to see in a new dev/team.)

 

[Vilkas Creative]

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why remove the planned ntr and cuckold tags? it will be worse when the scene appears without a tag , at least with them the player knows in advance what to expect and whether or not he wants to invest time and/or money in the game... (if the content is going to be in the game, removing those tags from the list would be misleading players and possible patrons, not a good thing to see in a new dev/team.)

Don't get me wrong, there will be only a small ntr scene optional but those who saw it thought the whole game would be ntr so we removed it