Ren'Py Lust Theory [S3 E3] [Inceton Games]

[IncetonGames]

Papa Red taught me better than to handle sensitive information to the guy trying to screw you over.

I never asked you to release the information to me. Release it to everyone.
Besides don't non profits do this? So that everyone can know that they are non-profits?


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[Sam]

But the claim that this is a charity site is just wrong. It's a pirate side where f95 serves you ads and asks you to donate from what they make a lot of money.

I'd just like to address this briefly.

We make no claims that we're a charity, however we aren't a "for profit" site. No attempts are made to make a profit from the site, the only interest we have are to break even and cover our operating costs.

Ad revenue is awful, for a multitude of reasons, including: the vast majority of users have adblock and we don't force people to disable it, we only allow a limited number of banner ads - no popups/notifications/popunders/etc, we're a pirate site, and we're a porn site. Add all of these reasons together, and you get a site with a lot of traffic but awful ad monetisation, which, as I said, we are fine with because the goal isn't to make money, and thankfully although awful, our ad revenue does cover all of our server costs.

Regarding donations, these cover more one off payments like server/hardware upgrades, software licences, and any outsourced development for the forum that I don't have time for. No donation money goes into the pocket of anyone, instead it's kept until it's needed for the above reasons.

When we have an excess of money, we give it away. For example, we operate the free community render server, giving newbie developers free access to a 3090 to render with, and we hold end of year contests to boost smaller devs with hundreds of dollars in prize money. We have other things in the pipeline too, which aren't ready to be announced yet.

Now, if we wanted to make a profit and actually properly monetize the site, you would see a number of changes, eg:

• Popunders/popups (this alone would quadruple ad revenue at the very least)
• Forcing users to disable adblock (even though this would cause a drop in traffic, the revenue would be astronomical)
• Promoting of monthly donations/subscriptions (eg, to disable ads)
• Using K2S and other sites to get affiliate money

Which of course, we aren't doing.

Finally, this may be hard for a lot of people to believe or understand, but whilst I have no moral qualms with the free sharing of content, I do find "piracy for profit" to be unconscionable. Nobody, be it admin, staff or moderator gets paid. This is a hobby, not a job.

Believe what you will, this will be the only time I speak on the matter in this thread, to prevent thread derailment.

 

[d_pedestrian]

One thing I've learned here is that people will subscribe you on patreon if they really like the game. take DPC for example. He has over 11k patrons and his game, extra renders and everything else gets posted here on the very same day of release.

That being said I respect Inceton game's decision to delay the release here in f95. They are the developers and if they want people to wait until atleast 10$ patrons get the game then i don't see any problem. I am getting this game for free so I'll wait for as long as it takes.

I think if the developer give a date of public release there won't be much arguments. People here just assumed they won't get any more updates.

 

[IncetonGames]

I'd just like to address this briefly.

We make no claims that we're a charity, however we aren't a "for profit" site. No attempts are made to make a profit from the site, the only interest we have are to break even and cover our operating costs.

Ad revenue is awful, for a multitude of reasons, including: the vast majority of users have adblock and we don't force people to disable it, we only allow a limited number of banner ads - no popups/notifications/popunders/etc, we're a pirate site, and we're a porn site. Add all of these reasons together, and you get a site with a lot of traffic but awful ad monetisation, which, as I said, we are fine with because the goal isn't to make money, and thankfully although awful, our ad revenue does cover all of our server costs.

Regarding donations, these cover more one off payments like server/hardware upgrades, software licences, and any outsourced development for the forum that I don't have time for. No donation money goes into the pocket of anyone, instead it's kept until it's needed for the above reasons.

When we have an excess of money, we give it away. For example, we operate the free community render server, giving newbie developers free access to a 3090 to render with, and we hold end of year contests to boost smaller devs with hundreds of dollars in prize money. We have other things in the pipeline too, which aren't ready to be announced yet.

Now, if we wanted to make a profit and actually properly monetize the site, you would see a number of changes, eg:

• Popunders/popups (this alone would quadruple ad revenue at the very least)
• Forcing users to disable adblock (even though this would cause a drop in traffic, the revenue would be astronomical)
• Promoting of monthly donations/subscriptions (eg, to disable ads)
• Using K2S and other sites to get affiliate money

Which of course, we aren't doing.

Finally, this may be hard for a lot of people to believe or understand, but whilst I have no moral qualms with the free sharing of content, I do find "piracy for profit" to be unconscionable. Nobody, be it admin, staff or moderator gets paid. This is a hobby, not a job.

Believe what you will, this will be the only time I speak on the matter in this thread, to prevent thread derailment.

I understand completely and agree with everything you said. And I hope you understand if we wish to protect our work.

 

[aji6699]

For shits and giggles I'll add - I did end up becoming a Patron of Inceton after having tried the first couple episodes here...juuuuuust sayinnn.....

 

[IncetonGames]

For shits and giggles I'll add - I did end up becoming a Patron of Inceton after having tried the first couple episodes here...juuuuuust sayinnn.....

Thank you for the support.

 

[lipe2410]

One thing I've learned here is that people will subscribe you on patreon if they really like the game. take DPC for example. He has over 11k patrons and his game, extra renders and everything else gets posted here on the very same day of release.

That being said I respect Inceton game's decision to delay the release here in f95. They are the developers and if they want people to wait until atleast 10$ patrons get the game then i don't see any problem. I am getting this game for free so I'll wait for as long as it takes.

I think if the developer give a date of public release there won't be much arguments. People here just assumed they won't get any more updates.

100% agree. This whole thing will be simple if Dev just come and says: "The update will release for free X days after release for patrons", if this is him real intention. But way it is, seems the updates will never shared for free anymore. (Sorry for my bad english)

 

[zizzi]

For shits and giggles I'll add - I did end up becoming a Patron of Inceton after having tried the first couple episodes here...juuuuuust sayinnn.....

And i'm sure at least 70% of his patrons did the same....

but f95 is a pirate site and should be punished for his bad behaviour.

He thinks that banning people from his patreon for sharing will help....it won't

Better quality in his work will help, for example having A LOT of people having a floating bed after 5 seconds of gameplay HURTS A LOT for Inceton because people will think that he's a shitty dev not worthy of pledge.

He should start from this and not from a website that gave him at least 70% of patrons.

All of this IMHO

 

[Baka plays]

Yes, every creator has the right to protect his work. Thing is, that protection gets cracked sooner or later. Every time.
Protection is just for pleasing the corp managers so they can vomit their selling points to the shareholders which mostly
have no clue what's going on IRL.

Art gets to be known by sharing it. No one will care about the Magnum Opus if it rots away in the basement next to the laundry.
Every artist wants to let the world know what he/she has created. And here comes the trade off, share a little or share big.
The way patreon treats us NSFW creators, we don't have a choice to share our work and hope for the best in return.
I don't have many patrons myself but 90% of them decided to support me after it got released here. And from there on to other sites as well.
Expanding your reach can help. Remember the TV show Breaking Bad? Some of the production members decided to leak the 1st season because it wasn't clear if the show would get the green light by the bosses. After the show got downloadad and shared by millions of people, the production staff managed to convince the bosses to continue production.
There has never been a show, a movie studio, a musician or any artist in the world that went bankrupt because of piracy.
Remember the movie industry how they screamed like the apocalypse would come down on them when movies cost 80-100 million? A few years later, movies got 200-300 million budget and still rake in double and triple revenue.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.

 

[IncetonGames]

And i'm sure at least 70% of his patrons did the same....

but f95 is a pirate site and should be punished for his bad behaviour.

He thinks that banning people from his patreon for sharing will help....it won't

Better quality in his work will help, for example having A LOT of people having a floating bed after 5 seconds of gameplay HURTS A LOT for Inceton because people will think that he's a shitty dev not worthy of pledge.

He should start from this and not from a website that gave him at least 70% of patrons.

All of this IMHO

And I'm sure that your statement is incorrect. It's nowhere near 70% based on our polls and other analytics it's bellow 5% (Well bellow...)

Again incorrect statement we never banned anyone from our Patreon.
(No wait we did ban one person that was harassing all other Patrons and spewing racist slurs. After warning him 3 times we decided to ban him. But we never banned anyone for sharing links.)

Please don't spread misinformation.

 

[strenif]

I think everyone just needs to take a step back.

Breath.

 

[IncetonGames]

this discussion is like the game itself, it's repeating all the time.

We should rename the game to “Echoes of F95”

 

[Gogu112]

Long story short.
We appreciate this community for the bug reports, feedback, ideas for the game etc... in return you get the game here for free and f95 makes money from this. WIN, WIN, WIN. The problem is that the game is released here too soon. We cant make a return of investment, cant pay the salaries, cant develop bigger and better updates. You get the game here before our 10$ Patrons and that's a problem for us or better said our Patrons. It's just not fair and for this reason we decided to protect our work. We will try to figure something out with the f95 admins if its possible.

Then how about you share the game yourself here, a week after the release on patreon.
This way, your fancy patreons can wank their souls 7 days before Us, f95zone community (some creepy pirates who seems to represent a threat for you now that the game is very popular, especially thanks to F95 promotes )

 

[AustenNotPowers]

Perfectly understandable - Patreons acquire 1st privilege before public...public release timeframe entirely up to you - also... will be waiting for new android link includ mod - current link does not work

 

[John The Boogeyman Wick]

Perfectly understandable - Patreons acquire 1st privilege before public...public release timeframe entirely up to you - also... will be waiting for new android link includ mod - current link does not work

none of the normal leaks do. you wanna guess the reason why?

 

[Hgdthvcff]

Thanks for the share.

Yea

 

[DearLegend37]

Perfectly understandable - Patreons acquire 1st privilege before public...public release timeframe entirely up to you - also... will be waiting for new android link includ mod - current link does not work

you going to wait for a long time

 

[312.206.993]

Long story short.
We appreciate this community for the bug reports, feedback, ideas for the game etc... in return you get the game here for free and f95 makes money from this. WIN, WIN, WIN. The problem is that the game is released here too soon. We cant make a return of investment, cant pay the salaries, cant develop bigger and better updates. You get the game here before our 10$ Patrons and that's a problem for us or better said our Patrons. It's just not fair and for this reason we decided to protect our work. We will try to figure something out with the f95 admins if its possible.

I'm guessing that you've already considered offering one time payments for your games? Does the math simply not work out with a model like that?

You do seem to have a reasonable understanding about the realities of software development on the PC platform. Have you considered offering your games via patreon and through one time payments? I'm sure you have, but I'd be much more likely to at least consider purchasing a license for 10-20 USD depending on the previous and current quality of the project. I'd be happy to receive the copy one or more months later, which would presumably be a stable release.

I usually pirate software when I have absolutely no intention of ever purchasing it with one exception being cases where I want to test the software to make sure that it runs fine. I'm also not in a financial position where I can afford to contribute to game development on a monthly basis.

There have been some projects on this site that I would like to contribute to, but I'm not willing to jump on patreon until the scene has developed into a more trust-worthy place. I'd reconsider this with a developer that has a previous track record of hitting advertised release dates in a sustainable way, ideally with a completed game already made with a working process.

 

[hencuka]

No there is no embargo on it

You know that if you PM us that we will send you a link for the game for free. We do that on a regular basis

I heard the scream of death of your mailbox when you wrote this.

 

[Gladheim]

We should rename the game to “Echoes of F95”

You know something, I find it very bad that as a creator you only have signatures of Echoes of Lust, where is your best work Summer with Mia ? sus AF.