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Why do Purgatorio and Paradiso fall short? Because the change in narrative, change in character (while it is the same, he is changed and we lose Virgil) and change in theme.
Simply: Inferno is full of sins and sinner, blood, violence, revenge. More interesting than moral virtues, politics and religion.
 
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Simply: Inferno is full of sins and sinner, blood, violence, revenge. More interesting than moral virtues, politics and religion.
And Virgil you can not forget about my homie Virgil. ;)
And a Pope (if I remember right) with shit on his head.
"vidi un col capo sì di merda lordo." :ROFLMAO:
 
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Hahahaha, no. My response was a childish reversal to his/her assertion. But on to your question. Everyone is free to have their kinks but damn that comment rubbed me the wrong way.

For example I like gore be it in games, literature or real life and I am fully aware that it is not a common preference. But it does not govern me to the extent that I need to come here to tell everyone that does not like gore, that they have issues.

Taking the chance to talk to the dev. I would like to know what is your intention by keeping the second character. Seeing as it is clearly stated in the description that this is Matt's story but we keep actually watching the woman that left him having sex. You could allude to it but chose to show it. Sorry to burden you with that question but is something that has actually been running around my mind for the past two weeks. Two weeks ago I started reading manhwa (Korean manga) and notice an abundant use of the same device (keep seeing the sexual exploits of a secondary character that hurt the main character) to the extent that half the plot is that. What is the actual intention behind using a device like that, as it is not NTR and does not enrich the development of the main character. Is it a practical thing to avoid writers fatigue? Is your intention to elicit a specific feeling from the reader?

Thanks in advance if you decide to answer.

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I got Patti and Anna mixed up into one but the point stands. Why watch any of those two if the main character is Matt?
Not even talking that even if there was no path for Matt to be with Anna she is obviously easily a disloyal bitch unless Matt acts perfectly and does everything exactly as she requires as she is portrayed in the game if look at it as a whole and see it as is same Anna on all paths. Even if they are only friends and business partners, well she is in principle free to have sex with everyone she wants but having it with his enemies and her knowing it and well the game tells you she will do unless you are super Matt all the time and make the correct choices .......

Well that is telling someone that you give no damn about their interests at all, good friend or partner to do business with and yeah I would drop a business partner also over that since I could not trust them anymore to have my back and would be same if she just worked together with Ramon instead of having a relation with him, with her willingly taking the risk she will hurt your interest for hers . :p Well great Li she makes when you know that, who wants to be in a serious long time relation with someone you know will stab you in the back if you are not perfect or her interests align perfectly with yours always unless you are masochistic. For me Anna is totally destroyed as a potential Li for MC beyond a hate fuck in this game as she is portrayed. Not even talking about the Ex who made her own choices and can live with them now ....

Concerning the question of dev, well likely some have but without having a therapist to talk to them and find out the particular reason behind their fetish that will be hard to establish. Just the fact someone might like something or not is a very bad and inconclusive diagnosis tool. Like I am not screaming either that everyone that likes to see nice women turned into a slut by abusive assholes which is a theme of most NTR and female protagonist games must have a deep seated hate of females to wish such horrible fate upon them to be owned by an abusive asshole, while at least some players just skip any story part and just watch sex sex scenes or ask for latest saves and just look at the scenes in gallery without knowing anything about the story. There will be some that love those genres though where that issue plays, but it is not a conclusion you can draw just based upon them liking the genre or not minding it. :p

For the mom-son thing some may just think the taboo is hot since one of last things that is forbidden, while some others might have wished for a closer relation with a cold and stand offish mother and vicariously fill that need with the fetish (and some may have other reason that the fetish appeal to them as with most fetishes). Now those would have a slight issue, but it will hurt nobody further to play those games.
 
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Not even talking that even if there was no path for Matt to be with Anna she is obviously easily a disloyal bitch unless Matt acts perfectly and does everything exactly as she requires as she is portrayed in the game if look at it as a whole and see it as is same Anna on all paths. Even if they are only friends and business partners, well she is in principle free to have sex with everyone she wants but having it with his enemies and her knowing it and well the game tells you she will do unless you are super Matt all the time .......

Well that is telling someone that you give no damn about their interests at all, good friend or partner to do business with and yeah I would drop a business partner also over that since I could not trust them anymore to have my back and would be same if she just worked together with Ramon instead of having a reltion with him taking the risk she will hurt your interest for hers . :p Well great Li she makes when you know that, who wants to be in a serious long time relation with someone you know will stab you in the back if you are not perfect unless you are masochistic.

Concerning the question of dev, well likely some have but without having a therapist to talk to them and find out the particular reason behind their fetish that will be hard to establish. Just the fact someone might like something or not is a very bad and inconclusive diagnosis tool. Like I am not screaming either that everyone that likes to see nice women turned into a slut by abusive assholes which is a theme of most NTR and female protagonist games must have a deep seated hate of females to wish such horrible fate upon them to be owned by an abusive asshole, while at least some players just skip any story part and just watch sex secenes or ask for latest saves and just look at the scenes in gallery without knowing anything about the story. There will be some that love those genres though where that issue plays, but it is not a conclusion you can draw just based upon them liking the genre or not minding it. :p

For the mom-son thing some may just think the taboo is hot, while some others might have wished for a closer relation with a cold and stand offish mother and vicariously fill that need with the fetish (and some may have other reason that the fetish appeal to them as with most fetishes). Now those have a slight issue, but it will hurt nobody further to play those games.
I agree with you. I started commenting on this thread because I just started playing and the thing that you posted is almost the same that I perceived.

I do not know if the dev is actually Russian as you joked previously but I have also made that connection of style of writing and Russian devs and also recently Korean writers. I am genuinely intrigued on what are the reasons for that difference. I think it has nothing to do with geography so the joke is besides the point but there is a real difference between certain devs and people like you and me when it comes down to relations for LIs in a VN. It is really interesting to talk about it.
 

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Hahahaha, no. My response was a childish reversal to his/her assertion. But on to your question. Everyone is free to have their kinks but damn that comment rubbed me the wrong way.

For example I like gore be it in games, literature or real life and I am fully aware that it is not a common preference. But it does not govern me to the extent that I need to come here to tell everyone that does not like gore, that they have issues.

Taking the chance to talk to the dev. I would like to know what is your intention by keeping the second character. Seeing as it is clearly stated in the description that this is Matt's story but we keep actually watching the woman that left him having sex. You could allude to it but chose to show it. Sorry to burden you with that question but is something that has actually been running around my mind for the past two weeks. Two weeks ago I started reading manhwa (Korean manga) and notice an abundant use of the same device (keep seeing the sexual exploits of a secondary character that hurt the main character) to the extent that half the plot is that. What is the actual intention behind using a device like that, as it is not NTR and does not enrich the development of the main character. Is it a practical thing to avoid writers fatigue? Is your intention to elicit a specific feeling from the reader?

Thanks in advance if you decide to answer.

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I got Patti and Anna mixed up into one but the point stands. Why watch any of those two if the main character is Matt?
Well, it seems that my level of English does not yet allow me to recognize intonations in the text.:)
Yes, the main character is Matt. According to my idea, he should become stronger, getting into difficult situations. In particular, his wife's infidelity, dismissal from work, bullying from Ramon. John (the old man from the park) should help him in this, as well as Anna. But she also has her own goals. During the game, I had to delve into Anna's story so that her motives would be more understandable. In addition, the players liked her. So the second hero appeared. As it turned out, the periodic change of characters gives unique opportunities in the gameplay, as it was in the scene in a nightclub, for example. Afterward, Patti also became a protagonist. She attracted a lot of attention from the players too, so I decided to give her more time, and then I made her the playable character. As you can see, I don't ignore the wishes of the players, since this does not prevent me from implementing my idea that Matt is growing above himself, going through difficulties.
As for seeing the sexual exploits of a secondary character... It destroys the ideal that a man builds concerning a woman he like. The process of this destruction causes a lot of emotions, someone likes them, someone can't stand them. As for me, I don't see anything terrible in this, since it happens in a porn game. In general, I was very surprised when I found out that this specific content causes so much controversy around itself. All my thoughts on this matter are just the result of those disputes that are being conducted on this thread. Before that, for me it was just porn content.
 

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Well, it seems that my level of English does not yet allow me to recognize intonations in the text.:)
Yes, the main character is Matt. According to my idea, he should become stronger, getting into difficult situations. In particular, his wife's infidelity, dismissal from work, bullying from Ramon. John (the old man from the park) should help him in this, as well as Anna. But she also has her own goals. During the game, I had to delve into Anna's story so that her motives would be more understandable. In addition, the players liked her. So the second hero appeared. As it turned out, the periodic change of characters gives unique opportunities in the gameplay, as it was in the scene in a nightclub, for example. Afterward, Patti also became a protagonist. She attracted a lot of attention from the players too, so I decided to give her more time, and then I made her the playable character. As you can see, I don't ignore the wishes of the players, since this does not prevent me from implementing my idea that Matt is growing above himself, going through difficulties.
As for seeing the sexual exploits of a secondary character... It destroys the ideal that a man builds concerning a woman he like. The process of this destruction causes a lot of emotions, someone likes them, someone can't stand them. As for me, I don't see anything terrible in this, since it happens in a porn game. In general, I was very surprised when I found out that this specific content causes so much controversy around itself. All my thoughts on this matter are just the result of those disputes that are being conducted on this thread. Before that, for me it was just porn content.
I have just started playing your game but I am still uncertain of the direction that is taking so I might just wait for further progression with Matt to continue playing. I might even wait for your VN completion but I will keep an eye on this thread.

Good luck. (y)
 
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My interest meter was high years ago but since then it's become empty.

As nothing in the latest updates pikes my interest, or is it about Matt growing above himself, or going through difficulties anymore. This seems to be a very common problem problem with all the various games on this site using multiple pov's to tell one story.

Still it's not my game and wish the developer good luck.:)
 

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Yes, the main character is Matt. According to my idea, he should become stronger, getting into difficult situations. In particular, his wife's infidelity, dismissal from work, bullying from Ramon. John (the old man from the park) should help him in this, as well as Anna
To be honest, I don't see it.
I'm playing right now, and it doesn't seem like he can win anything at all.
He looks and behaves pathetic, everyone uses him, his "ally" sleeps with his enemy ...
When will some kind of revenge begin?
 

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Well, it seems that my level of English does not yet allow me to recognize intonations in the text.:)
Yes, the main character is Matt. According to my idea, he should become stronger, getting into difficult situations. In particular, his wife's infidelity, dismissal from work, bullying from Ramon. John (the old man from the park) should help him in this, as well as Anna. But she also has her own goals. During the game, I had to delve into Anna's story so that her motives would be more understandable. In addition, the players liked her. So the second hero appeared. As it turned out, the periodic change of characters gives unique opportunities in the gameplay, as it was in the scene in a nightclub, for example. Afterward, Patti also became a protagonist. She attracted a lot of attention from the players too, so I decided to give her more time, and then I made her the playable character. As you can see, I don't ignore the wishes of the players, since this does not prevent me from implementing my idea that Matt is growing above himself, going through difficulties.
As for seeing the sexual exploits of a secondary character... It destroys the ideal that a man builds concerning a woman he like. The process of this destruction causes a lot of emotions, someone likes them, someone can't stand them. As for me, I don't see anything terrible in this, since it happens in a porn game. In general, I was very surprised when I found out that this specific content causes so much controversy around itself. All my thoughts on this matter are just the result of those disputes that are being conducted on this thread. Before that, for me it was just porn content.
Actually the fact this is a porn game makes that worse and that it is shown. At least part of the people play porn/adult games for different reason as watch a porn clip or watch a movie or even read a book. For me the problem with Matt growing and what you do with those females, why would Matt when he has grown ever be interested into getting into a long term relation with them. Nothing wrong with them also having own interests (they do not have to be his lapdogs either), but in reality they care shit about his in game as shown by them which is the other opposite, unless you are her perfect lapdog.

When he is grown and even without, he can get way better women or even friends or mentors as them for himself and even as game stands from MC's perspective if he has any brain wiser just drop those bitches as hot coals, sell your possessions and move far away and have a fun life instead of dealing with that shit to make other happy at your expense. instead of keep crawling back as a lovesick puppy and ask to be kicked again and again by them. :p

Edit: Just to be clear I am not asking to remove content, make it skippable or whatever or make it softer. I am just talking about how the actions of characters are seen by me and how it impacts how I see them. :p Damage is already done anyway as is and changing that is basically impossible to apppeal to a certain player group and unwanted since would be a big focus change of game already going quite a while that will only disappoint existing fans. The only reason dev should ever change content like that is if he/she thinks he did not show the characters or story as he wanted to. That is the only good reason to make a change.
 
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I'm sorry if it was clarified before, but what is the difference between the 2 versions in the OP?
Same version, but one with animations and one without?
 

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And Virgil you can not forget about my homie Virgil. ;)
And a Pope (if I remember right) with shit on his head.
"vidi un col capo sì di merda lordo." :ROFLMAO:
Exactly. Cheating, betrayal, cannibalism, lashing, sodomy, incest, Inferno has the better tags :ROFLMAO:

I'm sorry if it was clarified before, but what is the difference between the 2 versions in the OP?
Same version, but one with animations and one without?
Yes, the "S1 version" has also some new scenes and a gallery of extra pictures.
 
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I'm sorry if it was clarified before, but what is the difference between the 2 versions in the OP?
Same version, but one with animations and one without?
The version without animations is the new update. It ends the first season and contains the following changes:

The latest update contains the following changes:
  • Complete overhaul of the English translation
  • Overhaul of an exisiting scene: Anna in the car with Ramon (second time)
  • New large sex scenes involving Anna, which trigger according to previous choices in the game.
  • New large extra images gallery
 
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