Ren'Py Magical Journey to Hell [v0.5] [Capyboobies]

[-CookieMonster666-]

Fair enough my friend ^^

BTW, sorry about the facepalm yesterday. I got my wires crossed somehow; what you said was definitely not facepalm worthy. LOL. It was a hectic day of work, and I think my brain was just too tired at that point. (I probably meant to facepalm something else somewhere, but I can't even remember that now.) I definitely agree that the tags conflicting can be a point of confusion. Maybe the OP could use some bolded text in large font to try to cut some of the confusion off early on. When you create multiple paths that are very much at odds with each other, unfortunately I'm not sure there's a great way to point that out, other than OP disclaimers or similar.

 

[Demoness_Kiss]

BTW, sorry about the facepalm yesterday. I got my wires crossed somehow; what you said was definitely not facepalm worthy. LOL. It was a hectic day of work, and I think my brain was just too tired at that point. (I probably meant to facepalm something else somewhere, but I can't even remember that now.) I definitely agree that the tags conflicting can be a point of confusion. Maybe the OP could use some bolded text in large font to try to cut some of the confusion off early on. When you create multiple paths that are very much at odds with each other, unfortunately I'm not sure there's a great way to point that out, other than OP disclaimers or similar.

In general, i was acting awfully, if my feelings(and my words in regard of this whole thing) were something you can eat or drink, it would be vinegar. Mostly the issue is that some dev believe(the same way of a religious fanatic do) that they can add EVERY possible tag and get ALL the audience: they really think that each tag attracts a group of people without losing anything; but it's not true, with harem-tag you attract harem fans, but with NTR-tag you attract NTR-fans, but if you also have Harem-tag the harem-fans will be confused like in these last 2 pages, MAYBE and i say MAYBE you'll find someone who likes harem protagonists being NTR-ed or willing to share their harems...but it would be like finding a tiny little piece of amber in the middle of the Sahara Desert because rarely harem-fans like to share ANYTHING, often they even beg to Be the only MC that gets the ladies, hoping that they're all virgins so to play that mental thing that "they got the girl first, even if it ends badly, the girl will compare everyone to MC, and be disappointed". So yeah my assumption was that the dev wanted to get everything, believing that he wouldn't lose a single fan/potential subscriber and get away with it, and that irked me and i acted and spoke with that irky-feeling in me.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

In general, i was acting awfully, if my feelings(and my words in regard of this whole thing) were something you can eat or drink, it would be vinegar. Mostly the issue is that some dev believe(the same way of a religious fanatic do) that they can add EVERY possible tag and get ALL the audience: they really think that each tag attracts a group of people without losing anything; but it's not true, with harem-tag you attract harem fans, but with NTR-tag you attract NTR-fans, but if you also have Harem-tag the harem-fans will be confused like in these last 2 pages, MAYBE and i say MAYBE you'll find someone who likes harem protagonists being NTR-ed or willing to share their harems...but it would be like finding a tiny little piece of amber in the middle of the Sahara Desertbecause rarely harem-fans like to share ANYTHING, often they even beg to me the only MC that gets the ladies, hoping that they're all virgins so to play that mental thing that "they got the girl first, even if it ends badly, the girl will compare everyone to MC, and be disappointed". So yeah my assumption was that the dev wanted to get everything, believing that he wouldn't lose a single fan/potential subscriber and get away with it, and that irked me and i acted and spoke with that irky-feeling in me.

We all have those days. Anyway, I apparently had one of those "whoopsie-daisies" days or something. No harm, no foul. I do not get offended easily . . . almost nothing can offend me. (Adding people to Ignore is just so they don't annoy me; they don't offend, either, TBF.) But I did think it was important to note that a facepalm wasn't intended — you and I don't always see things the same way, but we very often do and I definitely am like Avaron: I like you and wouldn't want a falling out at all.

 

[AgriasQuarto]

At base, it's going to feel more like 90%-10% but towards the end-game (when all the gals are in-love with MC's cock) it should end up being about 50%-50% I guess. It should all climax into a constant fuckfest orgy between all the girls that you collected and MC (and other dudes and beasties if you so desire, sorta like Subverse from which I definitely have taken no inspiration (this is the kind of content that's hidden with the prompt btw(how many parenthesis deep can this go?))

Fantastic, does that mean if we opt in to everything we get to experience all the content in one go? As someone that enjoys playing everything save file juggling has gotten really tedious for games that let you "opt out" of content but in practice just locks you out of all but one route because everything becomes mutually exclusive.

 

[Capyboobies]

Fantastic, does that mean if we opt in to everything we get to experience all the content in one go? As someone that enjoys playing everything save file juggling has gotten really tedious for games that let you "opt out" of content but in practice just locks you out of all but one route because everything becomes mutually exclusive.

Unfortunately, no, but with an important caveat.

Even opting into everything, the game offers two main paths with which to choose from which will give you some content or the other. Mainly, it will be either choosing between being with mainline love interests (the banner girls) or banging side-chicks. So theoretically you could get all the mainline girl content in one playthrough and all the sidechicks in another, or mix and match.

Now, the caveat. It is a common (and understandable) complaint in this and many games that to see all the fun stuff (read: fucking) you have to do multiple playthroughs, so I'm developing what I'm provisionally calling "Time Lord Mode".
All the choices you make come down to time (so, you can only hang out with one girl at a bar event, etc), but when added, theoretically with this Mode active you will be able to choose every option available, but only the first one will count for the story. This means that if you choose first to hang out with Sam, and then with TLM go out with the twins, the game will see it as you having been with Sam only, so she will recognize you having hung out with her but the twins will think you bailed on them.

This is to allow people to see all the content without the hassle of save juggling, but missing out on some dialogue variations and such. If you are really engrossed in the story I would of course recomend to keep at least two different playthroughs, one for mainline LI and one for sidegirls, but I think this will be a good addition to the game. Basically a first party mod

 

[Pentha]

More sillyness, please ignore if you are bored of this and just wanna discuss the game. Please. I ask so little. Theorize about what's gonna happen next or talk about your favorite waifu, maybe? Instead of this.

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I really wanna know why you're trying to project your issues onto me, all i said was that not being extremly accurate with answering people's questions about the tags is gonna get a lot of them riled up if this gets enough attention only to disappoint them in the end because it was not exactly as they thought it was.

No one has cheated on me, how did you even get to that conclusion with me just talking about tags and not being upfront with them? You seem to solely be grasping at straws with trying to put me and my argument down.
You're showing me your planned tags again but i still do not see if it is mmf or ffm group sex.

Also what is this about?

-Contrary to causing an outcry over something you dislike because it doesn't follow the rules you decided are law, which is extremely mature. (boy oh boy I'm going to get a lot of hate for this comment, aren't I?)

Where am i complaining about things being wrong, immoral or against the law? I went in here because of the tags, went through the comments first because i wanted to see what the heck these tags are about and not to complain about things i do not like, yes i went through all now 12 back then 11 pages to read what this is about and you are still vague on wether or not these optional things still happen but in the background.
You don't see me going into NTR games threads and shitting over this game being NTR, if i done that it was on a game that had no NTR tag on it before because it got added later
The numbers mason, what do they mean!

Edit addendum: I was just telling you that if you do not want people to complain in the thread about the tags they should atleast show up, those people, and believe me they do, will have a filter to filter out such games when searching for games

 

[Hordragg]

I really wanna know why you're trying to project your issues onto me, all i said was that not being extremly accurate with answering people's questions about the tags is gonna get a lot of them riled up if this gets enough attention only to disappoint them in the end because it was not exactly as they thought it was.

No one has cheated on me, how did you even get to that conclusion with me just talking about tags and not being upfront with them? You seem to solely be grasping at straws with trying to put me and my argument down.
You're showing me your planned tags again but i still do not see if it is mmf or ffm group sex.

Also what is this about?

Where am i complaining about things being wrong, immoral or against the law? I went in here because of the tags, went through the comments first because i wanted to see what the heck these tags are about and not to complain about things i do not like, yes i went through all now 12 back then 11 pages to read what this is about and you are still vague on wether or not these optional things still happen but in the background.
You don't see me going into NTR games threads and shitting over this game being NTR, if i done that it was on a game that had no NTR tag on it before because it got added later
The numbers mason, what do they mean!

Edit addendum: I was just telling you that if you do not want people to complain in the thread about the tags they should atleast show up, those people, and believe me they do, will have a filter to filter out such games when searching for games

The cheating part was an analogy regarding lying developers.

The main point of contention is whether or not the absence of tags like netorare, polyamory, and/or swinging on a harem title does indicate a "true harem". It does not. So "harem lovers" still need to check carefully each game that piqued their interest, to see if it adheres to the rules of their creed. This requires studying a game's thread, as tags like group sex are rather vague and tagging content not already implemented into the game simply isn't allowed. Which renders your addendum moot. Granted this may get easier seeing how future tags will be able to hold context information, from what i gather, said information won't factor into tag in-/exclusion. [/2ct]

A pleasant weekend to you all!

 

[Capyboobies]

I really wanna know why you're trying to project your issues onto me, all i said was that not being extremly accurate with answering people's questions about the tags is gonna get a lot of them riled up if this gets enough attention only to disappoint them in the end because it was not exactly as they thought it was.

No one has cheated on me, how did you even get to that conclusion with me just talking about tags and not being upfront with them? You seem to solely be grasping at straws with trying to put me and my argument down.
You're showing me your planned tags again but i still do not see if it is mmf or ffm group sex.

What issues am I projecting onto you? Real question, I have no idea what you mean.

The cheating thing, Hordragg already answered, but was an analogy.

MMF and FFM are not tags I can add to the filter, but in case there's still doubt it's both. The pic is to show the more extreme tags like Bukkake and swinging. Bukkake kinda probably maybe already indicates that a girl is gonna be with more than one guy. Maybe. (IF AND ONLY IF YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN AAAAAAAAAAAH )

Where am i complaining about things being wrong, immoral or against the law? I went in here because of the tags, went through the comments first because i wanted to see what the heck these tags are about and not to complain about things i do not like, yes i went through all now 12 back then 11 pages to read what this is about and you are still vague on wether or not these optional things still happen but in the background.

Replace you with "people", it's not meant as in you you, but as the people who do that which are many in this thread. Yeah that wasn't worded very well so I understand if you thought I was implying you specifically did that. Which you didn't. Sorry.

I am shocked though that it's possible to think I'm vague when I've been extremely adamant from the start that the optional things do not happen if you choose for them not to happen. The biggest issue in this thread seems to be that despite me saying that optional content doesn't happen if you choose not to, people still say that the fact that's it was an option is bad enough. Or that even though I'm saying it doesn't happen they choose to believe it still does. Or whatever, I don't know.

 

[Simulacrum29]

I am shocked though that it's possible to think I'm vague when I've been extremely adamant from the start that the optional things do not happen if you choose for them not to happen. The biggest issue in this thread seems to be that despite me saying that optional content doesn't happen if you choose not to, people still say that the fact that's it was an option is bad enough. Or that even though I'm saying it doesn't happen they choose to believe it still does. Or whatever, I don't know.

It's not as complicated as you make it out to be. IF a LI is comfortable with the idea fucking other guys or animals or tentacles or whatever.

It tells us something about her character even if it doesn't happen.

Same problem another game had made the Main Li a nymphomaniac, but nothing would happen if you guard her like Fort Knox. Even if nothing happens, she's not with us because she wants, but because we limit her self-determination.
Who wouldn't want That?

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

It's not as complicated as you make it out to be. IF a LI is comfortable with the idea fucking other guys or animals or tentacles or whatever.

It tells us something about her character even if it doesn't happen.

Same problem another game had made the Main Li a nymphomaniac, but nothing would happen if you guard her like Fort Knox. Even if nothing happens, she's not with us because she wants, but because we limit her self-determination.
Who wouldn't want That?

That's not even remotely realistic, though. If the MC never tells a girl he wants to be with her, why would she just sit around waiting for the MC? She has no idea he wants her. It's the same for other activities. Just because someone's open to do things doesn't mean they're just waiting for the chance to do them. When a dev says it never happens unless you choose it, I take that as basically meaning that as long as you don't put the thought into their heads in the first place, the girls won't get into stuff you don't like. I don't see what is so complicated about saying "it never happens". Like, why is that a sticking point if you can completely avoid the possibility of something you dislike?

 

[Simulacrum29]

1)That's not even remotely realistic, though. If the MC never tells a girl he wants to be with her, why would she just sit around waiting for the MC? She has no idea he wants her. It's the same for other activities.

2)Just because someone's open to do things doesn't mean they're just waiting for the chance to do them. When a dev says it never happens unless you choose it, I take that as basically meaning that as long as you don't put the thought into their heads in the first place, the girls won't get into stuff you don't like. I don't see what is so complicated about saying "it never happens". Like, why is that a sticking point if you can completely avoid the possibility of something you dislike?

1)what? no really what are you talking about? your talking about some hypothetical LI that wasn't picked? We are Talking about Harem, my dude, that girl doesn't exist.

First if we don't take one girl for what ever reasons. Then she needs to fuck off, we didn't pick her so we evidently don't want to see her having sex, obviously not with the MC and even more so not with anybody else. And for real Why would we even see that. What's that with this borderline stalker behaviour where we stalk a girl we rejected to see her fuck other guys? The story is about the Main Character, the other characters are extras in his movie, why do we see her after she has no longer any romantic/sexual relevance for the MC?

2)
A Man talks to a Woman at a party.
Man: Would you sleep with me for 100.000$?
Women: no i wouldnt
Man: what if i would pay you 10.000.000$?
Women: then Yes.
Man: good i give you 50$
Women: What?
Man: We established already that you're a whore, now we negotiate the price.

even if she's not waiting to do them she will do them if asked and she will enjoy it or are you telling me that we see her distraught and emotionally damaged because she got pimped out by her boyfriend who claims to love her?
it shows that she has a whore mindset and that's something the majority of harem fans dislike.

For me personally sex is a huge thing (yes, we are on a porn game website, bite me) i can't do ONS i need a connection with the other person and i want the same in game. So, a LI that gives her intimacy away just like that is not a person i would want.

You wouldn't share your secrets with a friend who's know for his inability to keep a secret, at least not if you want it to stay a secret.

If i'm out for a quick fap then i don't play AVNs, then i go an *insert random Pornsite* and watch porn.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

1)what? no really what are you talking about? your talking about some hypothetical LI that wasn't picked? We are Talking about Harem, my dude, that girl doesn't exist.

First if we don't take one girl for what ever reasons. Then she needs to fuck off, we didn't pick her so we evidently don't want to see her having sex, obviously not with the MC and even more so not with anybody else. And for real Why would we even see that. What's that with this borderline stalker behaviour where we stalk a girl we rejected to see her fuck other guys? The story is about the Main Character, the other characters are extras in his movie, why do we see her after she has no longer any romantic/sexual relevance for the MC?

Because she's still around and in the hotel? I'm not talking about stalking; she would still continue to do things. If the MC has many LIs available but you don't like one and so don't have him choose her, she obviously could end up with someone else. She's not suddenly going to disappear into oblivion because you told her to piss off. There are some choices in this game to spend time with an LI or not, so I don't know what you're talking about. If you're saying a harem game means the MC will always have every single girl, then you can't choose to have him reject one (but this game lets you). If you're saying a harem game is only the girls you choose, then you should expect those you don't choose still to exist in some capacity. The hotel isn't that big: you're bound to have the MC run into her from time to time.

2)
A Man talks to a Woman at a party.
Man: Would you sleep with me for 100.000$?
Women: no i wouldnt
Man: what if i would pay you 10.000.000$?
Women: then Yes.
Man: good i give you 50$
Women: What?
Man: We established already that you're a whore, now we negotiate the price.

even if she's not waiting to do them she will do them if asked and she will enjoy it or are you telling me that we see her distraught and emotionally damaged because she got pimped out by her boyfriend who claims to love her?
it shows that she has a whore mindset and that's something the majority of harem fans dislike.

For me personally sex is a huge thing (yes, we are on a porn game website, bite me) i can't do ONS i need a connection with the other person and i want the same in game. So, a LI that gives her intimacy away just like that is not a person i would want.

You wouldn't share your secrets with a friend who's know for his inability to keep a secret, at least not if you want it to stay a secret.

If i'm out for a quick fap then i don't play AVNs, then i go an *insert random Pornsite* and watch porn.

Based on this, I guess you're making the assumption that the girl is always the same no matter what — willing to be pimped out or not, willing to swing or not, willing to dominate someone or not. But this isn't reality, so your analogy above doesn't match what's here.

The entire point of a game being set up like this one is that you (the player) decide what type of woman she will be (only willing to be with the MC or willing to be with others). You're literally writing what type of girl she is yourself through the choices you make. She's a blank slate and you draw on it what you want her to be. She isn't "established already" to be a whore; you decide to make her one. (Or, you say hell no to that and don't let her become one.) That's the entire point of, "if you don't choose it, it doesn't happen".

That's like saying a player in an FPS is warned that a certain area is too hard for them and they'll die if they go there. The player chooses to go there anyway and is killed. He then reloads the game and goes somewhere else. But apparently he's still a dumbass who can't listen to instructions, even though in the reloaded save version of events he never went where he wasn't supposed to go. If you don't pimp out a girl, she literally avoids that attitude and set of consequences — things she only has if you choose to make her that way.

I know you'll probably take issue with everything I've said and likely facepalm this (and be joined by the facepalm gang), so whatever. I tried to understand the logic better, but I just can't see it. I guess I'll just let it be and agree that we will disagree.

 

[Simulacrum29]

The hotel isn't that big: you're bound to have the MC run into her from time to time.

and that is fine but why do you think we should see her fuck other dudes?

The entire point of a game being set up like this one is that you (the player) decide what type of woman she will be (only willing to be with the MC or willing to be with others).

cool if that works for you and i told you why it doesn't work for me and others that don't play games where stuff is avoidable.

That's like saying a player in an FPS is warned that a certain area is too hard for them and they'll die if they go there. The player chooses to go there anyway and is killed.

you know playing a game that's to hard for you and sexual kinks have absolutely nothing in common?
why are you not playing scat and diaper fetish games, if its avoidable?
I don't play stuff like that because its as enticing to me as sweety gay sex, not at all.

A game is only then really enjoyable if you get asked wit every second decision if you want NTR or not. you don't even need to see it because its constantly shoved into your face that its there and lurking beneath the surface. And It's always just one variable error away to bleed into the harem/vanilla route.

Dev of Now and Then fucked up majorly because he blasted the Haremfans with the NTR bad end because he made an error.

 

[Hordragg]

A Man talks to a Woman at a party.
Man: Would you sleep with me for 100.000$?
Women: no i wouldnt
Man: what if i would pay you 10.000.000$?
Women: then Yes.
Man: good i give you 50$
Women: What?
Man: We established already that you're a whore, now we negotiate the price.

Nope. They've simply established that she would sleep with that man specifically only if a huge sum of money's involved. (And that he's a douchenozzle, but that's beside the point.) Not a great analogy; it can't be generalized and its inverse cannot said to be true. See, even if she never agrees to him no matter the compensation, she could still be a whore.

The problem most people have in understanding your point of view has already been laid out, but let me try to rephrase it a bit: from my experience, most people looking into playing a hero would happily play an RPG that allows one to be a cruel sadist as long as the option to be a knight in shining armor's on the table, too. Their enjoyment of valiantly fighting dragons, overthrowing usurpers and rescuing damsels in distress won't be hampered by other people opting to play the same game murdering, plundering, and rapeing instead. They'd forge their own story based around the choices present. And while I do think it's perfectly fine how you feel about all this, not playing unfinished games seems to be the only reliable way for you to not have to second-guess anything… or anyone, really.

you know playing a game that's to hard for you and sexual kinks have absolutely nothing in common?
why are you not playing scat and diaper fetish games, if its avoidable?

Please don't quote out of context, you're completely beside the point. Also, given their argument, it's save(ish?) to assume they won't not play said titles as long as the mentioned kinks are avoidable in the first place.

 

[Capyboobies]

and that is fine but why do you think we should see her fuck other dudes?

I feel like your arguing someone that hasn't been said. Who said you'd have to watch a rejected girl fuck other dudes? realistically if she's rejected her life is still continuing and she'll do other stuff... but it's just a logical conclusion. You're not gonna knock down her door and watch her bang some dude (that would be terribly rude of you). But she's still a character. She's not been banished to the shadow realm for being rejected. She's just not going to have sexual relations with you, and since you rejecting her is probably because you aren't attracted to her (this is a harem game, there are no consequences for dating 50 at a time) then you aren't going to see any sex scenes of hers.

A game is only then really enjoyable if you get asked wit every second decision if you want NTR or not. you don't even need to see it because its constantly shoved into your face that its there and lurking beneath the surface. And It's always just one variable error away to bleed into the harem/vanilla route.

I def understand that if you don't want anything to do with NTR or other extreme tags you don't want a constant reminder every time it's possible. Which is precisely why I implemented the ON/OFF switch. So that issue is literally non-existant now. Turn it on and the only way you'd ever know when and how a swinging/ntrish event were possible would be if you disabled the switch or researched the events, which seems kind of silly.

A Man talks to a Woman at a party.
Man: Would you sleep with me for 100.000$?
Women: no i wouldnt
Man: what if i would pay you 10.000.000$?
Women: then Yes.
Man: good i give you 50$
Women: What?
Man: We established already that you're a whore, now we negotiate the price.

I absolutely abhor this analogy because it's just outright meaningless.

Man: Would you kill a random person for 100$?
Woman: Wtf? No, are you crazy?
Man: What if I paid you a billion trillion dollars, a new identity and a beach house in the caribbean?
Woman: ...okay sure.
Man: Oh, wow. We've just established that you're a hitman.

No, no we haven't. Unless you are a millionare/billionare, odds are you can be manipulated to do crazy shit for exorbitant amounts of money. If getting butt-fucked by Jabba the Hutt was followed by gaining enough money to live a lavish life and never work another day odds are you'd take the offer. It's pointless and proves nothing.

 

[ahxjosu]

im consfused on this

 

[ahxjosu]

can mc stop ntr?

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

can mc stop ntr?

Yes, with the choice shown in the screenshot in your above post.

 

[Capyboobies]

Hotfix coming in... hot
Fixes the music file that wouldn't play correctly, and an erroneous pic reference in the new intro.

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can mc stop ntr?

Yup, choose only harem experience and their will be no ntr

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Hotfix coming in... hot
Fixes the music file that wouldn't play correctly, and an erroneous pic reference in the new intro.

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Yup, choose only harem experience and their will be no ntr

Fortunately, "Ignore" allowed the game to continue, just with no music for that specific scene. But the hotfix is much appreciated. Thanks for being active in the thread and the fast turnaround for stuff like this. Don't overwork yourself.