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Characters look really boring almost like default models, its a riddle to me how devs put the least effort into the most important thing.
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@Fasder
I must have missed the scene where she is upset that he watches her in the shower. I didn't really watch her in the shower or spy on her. As imho the MC wouldn't until about that time when he is starting to "notice" her and he's watched her sleeping and has started sleeping in her bed. I also don't have him do it because he just doesn't seem like the voyeur type to me, and wouldn't want to piss her off if he got caught. He is a pretty quiet guy, for me it lends itself to the "idiot savant" type persona I've assigned to him(awkward with people and tends to critique everything). All that being said I do really like what you've done so far, I think you have some good instincts and you have "defended" your position very well! So I trust your judgement.
"Shitty place" Yes, I get it, however she/they leave so quickly after the apology it's easy to miss. Maybe they could cuddle/kiss/make out (get comfortable), then leave. That would tend to take the "edge" off and smooth things out. maybe?
I must have missed the scene where she is upset that he watches her in the shower. I didn't really watch her in the shower or spy on her. As imho the MC wouldn't until about that time when he is starting to "notice" her and he's watched her sleeping and has started sleeping in her bed. I also don't have him do it because he just doesn't seem like the voyeur type to me, and wouldn't want to piss her off if he got caught. He is a pretty quiet guy, for me it lends itself to the "idiot savant" type persona I've assigned to him(awkward with people and tends to critique everything). All that being said I do really like what you've done so far, I think you have some good instincts and you have "defended" your position very well! So I trust your judgement.
"Shitty place" Yes, I get it, however she/they leave so quickly after the apology it's easy to miss. Maybe they could cuddle/kiss/make out (get comfortable), then leave. That would tend to take the "edge" off and smooth things out. maybe?
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Well done
But according to the Dev's answer to my question, that achievement/scene is only obtainable by starting a new game, which should be mentioned somewhere noticeable to avoid a lot of questions regarding it
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I'm curious what you consider "the most important thing"? This is actually a game... it's not click porn, there are 489,625,987,421 click porn "games" on this site. Some of us like a good playable game that has adult content (sex), not sex/porn stuffed into a "game". While I may agree that I don't care for the sisters boob size (to big), however the game play and story line are GREAT and I can live with the cantaloupes on her chest.
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Although not specifically mentioned, if you read the patch notes and the release post, you see that there are changes to the theses, and the website work, both occur in the previous version/s. So how could you not notice/know that a new playthrough, or using a save prior to those events happening not be needed!?Well done
But according to the Dev's answer to my question, that achievement/scene is only obtainable by starting a new game, which should be mentioned somewhere noticeable to avoid a lot of questions regarding it
Look up Victoria 7 and compare her to Sarah and you'll see that I've put quite a lot of effort into making her.
Usually it does happen around that time when I play through the game. But since that is dictated by the player it gets a little iffy, these scenes are not related to the story per-say and you can skip them entirely if you want to.. I know the latest scene has a bit more story to it, but it's more of a prelude of things to come.
Yes, I've though about removing the "creeper" scenes because they don't really fit. Though I've been met with a lot of opposition whenever I mention it.
With small logical leaps it does fit, and I can make that more clear as the story progress over time.
Although I might have to do something about the getting caught part so it makes more sense for people who didn't get caught, I just figure the majority of people actually will get caught.
Questioning is good, helps me exercise my brain. And I do love discussing the game with people.
That's pretty much what happens though?
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It's a good point, I'll update the file to include it, shouldn't take me a whole lot of time.
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@Fasder I hope you read this comment as positive and constructive, as I'm a big fan of this game. As others have mentioned, I enjoy it enough that I've restarted from the beginning more than once as new updates have been released. You've mentioned that you're thinking about how to balance the "grind" and I think a very simple solution could be some kind of "alert" for the player when new, unopened options are available. A lot of gameplay is spent going to a location where an NPC is located, only to find out (again and again) that nothing new happens. As a result, most of the game is holding down the CTRL key waiting for a new scene. Going to the pool midday or the kitchen in the afternoon or the pool again at night because Sarah is there over and over again just to read the exact same conversation can be a drag. Randomized alternate conversations that don't advance gameplay would be an improvement, but if there were some kind of feature that alerted the player that this time when you visit the location something new will happen, that would do more to decrease the "grindy" feeling than anything you could do to tweak how stats build.
That being said, this game has a nice balance of stat-building and new content when replayed from the start! But once those stats get high, it seems like there's a lot of pointless wandering, especially with finding the girls at night when they're walking. There might be a lot of new events there I haven't seen because I've just given up on thinking anything new will happen when, for example, I look for Helen walking home at night and see the exact same conversation for the 100th time.
That being said, this game has a nice balance of stat-building and new content when replayed from the start! But once those stats get high, it seems like there's a lot of pointless wandering, especially with finding the girls at night when they're walking. There might be a lot of new events there I haven't seen because I've just given up on thinking anything new will happen when, for example, I look for Helen walking home at night and see the exact same conversation for the 100th time.
I'm about to go for a new play-thru but i have an idea up front you could use to make the game feel more alive.
There are scenes (most scenes) you could still use after you hit the max love points you get from them.
Like, the watch movie cuddle up on the sofa and the apply sunscreen at the pool. Why not move it, after hitting the max points from daily to ones a week on a fixed day like monday evening cuddle instead of dropping it with slightly different text so it won't break the story progress.
I kinda miss the cuddle scene later ingame hence i use it for example^^
I think this way your game would feel less empty. Later ingame it would look like. Monday cuddle, tuesday backpain/massage etc. run with sis on saturday ...why lose the scene? it's nice to watch it again sometimes
I have no idea if this is hard to do but i really think not using these scenes after they have used their purpose is a loss
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It kind of does, but it seems really quick to me, imo. maybe they should "chat" a bit? don't know I just think that scene should be stretched a bit.
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Haha you were writing this as I was writing my post I think, but this is exactly what I meant by "alternate conversations that don't advance gameplay." You're so right! Not only do many of the exact same things happen over and over again, but sometimes some of the enjoyable repeating things stop happening and are replaced by new things that just repeat. For instance, Sarah is at the pool every day at 11am... Instead of getting rid of one scene that repeats every day until there's a new scene that repeats every day, why not different repeatable scenes for various weekdays until new scenes emerge that will then be repeated?
@fauxplayer yeah i got a new message alert on thread 10 seconds before sending mine
Guess i was not the only one with this idea ^^
Guess i was not the only one with this idea ^^
This is an issue that really came from all the "fluff" content that I introduced in 0.04.03. Before that the only scene that were tracked were the one's that were important. In fact, there were no unimportant scenes to speak of.
I think an alert would work really well, I'm just not sure how it would work or how to make it. I'll keep it in mind, but it would likely be a pretty big undertaking to implement.
I have plans for it, there are four scenes, maybe five, I'm not sure, that you can find while walking. I just haven't come to the point in the story where I can add to it.
This is more an issue of the game not being finished than anything else. These grinds are pretty managable in the game when you play from the start, because I've added scenes that reflect what's going on with the other characters and such. I can't do that before I know exactly what's going to happen. There are just a lot of holes in the later game, which is unavoidable, unless I change my development model.
I'll take a look at it, but I think it fits pretty well with what I have in mind. Can't go too much into detail without spoiling.
Making alternating dialogue is pretty difficult, the lunch/dinner scenes with Helen and Sarah was some of the most difficult ones to make without breaking A. Mark's character and B. have them virtually unrelated to the story.
I also like when there are new scenes rather than keeping the old one's, it's more fun to make than to re-write the same scene in three or four different ways.
Though I agree that there are points where new scenes would be good, I think it's around 35-45 affection with Sarah. My brain was just not able to come up with anything interesting, so I've left it as is for now, and it's likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
What you're proposing would also require a big overhaul of the code. All scenes have triggers specific to that scene, then the location tracking have (almost) the same triggers to display the location. While I can possibly make new scenes that are the old one's but slightly different I don't see much of the appeal in it.
Removing old scenes is something I wanted to do from the very beginning. Having played games where you were able to perform the same action with small variances for eternity is not really something I like as a concept. The "overhaul" approach I have made feels a lot better to me personally. Every time there's a big story event things change in the environment and the actions of the characters, which is to me a lot more interesting.
But I'm going to go ahead and say that I agree with most of your points. I'm just not sure how I would execute any of it in practice.
There are a lot of problems and I fear it may take away a lot of time from forwarding the story and so forth. I might be able to sit down and do something like it later down the line when the story is mostly finished.
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I got a scene in the shower and all objectives for Sarah completed based on an old save. For me it just followed through from where I left off without much effort.Well done
But according to the Dev's answer to my question, that achievement/scene is only obtainable by starting a new game, which should be mentioned somewhere noticeable to avoid a lot of questions regarding it
I had a slant on it too...I like the idea of the cuddle again@fauxplayer yeah i got a new message alert on thread 10 seconds before sending mine
Guess i was not the only one with this idea ^^
But my thoughts were based around conversations before and after an event. Before the Jenna/Jenny scenes, Sarah talks about helping them. After the scene she still talks about helping them, this would be the time to focus more on her and Mark (IMO), things like emphasising what she likes HIM doing.
"I hate when random person stares at my tits when out for a walk", "I like YOU looking by the pool".
The other side is @Fasder seems to have a fairly solid plan (or at least talks a good one
), so I'm good with that too.
Yeah, a lot of people really like that scene, I do too. And there will be more opportunities for it in the future.
This was something I too contemplated before release. Usually I make another scene that is less story heavy to pass the time with. But I really liked the original scene and I was also out of time for making a brand new one.
The other method would be to change some of the dialogue to better reflect what is happening, but I wasn't sure I'd like that as much as I liked the original.
So I left it as is for now, I'll probably do something with it for the next release.
Side note to the people asking about the save:
I updated the save in OP to include the old achievement in the save file, you should not have any <unknown> entries left with this save.
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bug, went to the store and after i told the guy i was gonna look around, suddenly jenny shows up in front of him and i get the leave, buy wine, buy burger prompt.
another bug, when i go to the school and do work, no more questions, just bam paid 30 bucks and outta there.
also bug that's not in the code, it's in mark himself, his sister is showing him her tits, she lets him watch her masturbate and the bastard acts like a little bitch and runs away, he needs to grow some balls cuz she's definitely saying, i need something better than this plastic toy!! makes me feel like slapping him, hmm maybe have his sister slap him and say, give me cock now dammit! hahaha even then i don't think he'd get a clue...
oh yea steppes away instead of steps away heh
first time i saw that i thought oh so mark is a large area of flat unforested grassland in southeastern Europe or Siberia away from her... yes i did giggle at it. anyways only those two bugs i noticed so far.
another bug, when i go to the school and do work, no more questions, just bam paid 30 bucks and outta there.
also bug that's not in the code, it's in mark himself, his sister is showing him her tits, she lets him watch her masturbate and the bastard acts like a little bitch and runs away, he needs to grow some balls cuz she's definitely saying, i need something better than this plastic toy!! makes me feel like slapping him, hmm maybe have his sister slap him and say, give me cock now dammit! hahaha even then i don't think he'd get a clue...
oh yea steppes away instead of steps away heh
first time i saw that i thought oh so mark is a large area of flat unforested grassland in southeastern Europe or Siberia away from her... yes i did giggle at it. anyways only those two bugs i noticed so far.
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oh yeah another thing, jenny tells about their strap-on, no place to buy one?? not in the online store, not in her store??
also the watch tv with sarah, there needs to be some way for him to learn massage and then he massages her back, preferably with top off heh. just something different for that scene each time would be neat. also a way to know that oh i've found all the content in this update.
also the watch tv with sarah, there needs to be some way for him to learn massage and then he massages her back, preferably with top off heh. just something different for that scene each time would be neat. also a way to know that oh i've found all the content in this update.