Omg The update with that fuse door maze was hilarious as a patreon. Everyone freaked out! We were still on the charge only when there is an update method so they immediately improved it. Good shit, I almost forgot about that nightmare lvl.
My bet is on July of 2025 when our new alien overlords tack down and force euromancer to actual work on a update instead of continually redraw his character models and "play with lighting".
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Will there be electrical whips involved? I hope there are.
Sad, this is a game I would actually pay for if it were complete. H-games with with actual in-battle hentai mechanics are rare enough, and this one integrates them better than many. Some people are perfectly satisfied to be led around by the nose/wallet, I guess.
Jesus christ. So latest (May 16) update: they're doing another technical overhaul which means they're going to be redoing a whole bunch of shit AGAIN. Last straw for me personally. Ended my pledge.
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Yikes. I still wanted to believe, but i will cancel my 3$ pledge as well.
This is getting ridiculous. Will wait until they release these news for non - inner circle members, tell them to gtfo in the comments and call it a day.
Shame, i still really had high hopes.
This is getting ridiculous. Will wait until they release these news for non - inner circle members, tell them to gtfo in the comments and call it a day.
Shame, i still really had high hopes.
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He could've finished the game in the amount of time to write all that. But really, I have worked in software for a long time; when someone goes on that long and with that kind of detail, with a bunch of "I did this, but it blew up, but then I blah, blah, blah..." and it's not a postmortem after a product launch, I always suspect a big load of bullshit. I'm also usually correct in my suspicions.
If you've been reading the actual post, you know that this technical overhaul was planned anyway, after v0.06. Reason they're doing it now is that the new programs are much more capable of doing what they need. Instead of picking their poison, they can now drink from a clean cup. This isn't even that big of a setback. Next to that, they've explained in great detail why they're doing it, with various reasons.
Both I think, the problem people have is;
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- Nov 2014 initial concept art was being pushed outSept 2016 - Last game demo
May 2018 - 19 months of no content updates
So anyone with anything positive to say, is treated with suspicion. Especially as everyone who comments on here is pretty much a fan of the game and wants more to come, so are frustrated.
Understandable. I'm not Eromancer, though. I've just been pledged since a couple of months ago and while I understand the frustration, I think the hate and pessimism are undeserved given the frequency and transparency of their behind-the-scenes updates.
I agree Eromancer does post on a regular basis, I from time to time read them on here. I've always been impressed with the rendering and artwork, even the original material. On the technical side he has done some really clever and technical stuff. But reading the update on here the actions are all things like:
- Continue work on the new UI design
- Continue experimenting with Police H skill artwork
- Continue Splicer overhaul direction
- Continue work on Ven’s character overhaul
As for working hard, you can look at in another way, in those 19 months of no releases the earnings were probably around 8k per month. So a cool $150,000, I leave it to you to say whether what has been shown is a good return on investment.
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Lads. Act like the adults ye are supposed to be. Stop arguing like children.
If ye continue act like children, you'll be treated as such.
If ye continue act like children, you'll be treated as such.
Agreed. So much about this game ticks off boxes on my list: skintight bodysuits w/ suit degradation, punk-ish looking girls, excellent artwork (that Malise/soldier render is great), sci-fi setting, ATB, in-battle sex mechanics. I would gladly pay for the finished product. But I only let my dick dictate my spending on when there's an assured return on investment; I don't pay to get blue-balled.
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Hi there,
I'd like to come to the defense of both "attackers" and "defenders" of Eromancer.
As many others, I've also joined the project and hastily hopped in Patreon and anticipated an update every month.
I was full with optimism and enthusiasm but after a while, almost a year, I've decided that this is too much waiting for nothing so I dropped my support.
I've seen how other patreon creators like Lewdlab, Phillygames, Hreinn Games and others provide frequent updates maintaint and increase their income and thus earning a lot more than Eromancer ever did (see Lewdlab).
From the above post of Dracis3D, the 1st comment quite accurately points to the flaws of Eromancer development scheme and points out the enormous amount of time the development might need when the number of enemies and interactions increase over time.
Which to some extend might be the case why Eromancer is consuming so much time developing various stuff in the game.
Source:
Posted by Dracis3D
This could point slow progress, but still progress none the less, which for me and probably other enthusiasts is a good sign that this project wont die like others or even stop posting updates and slack like for instance Simbro did.
On the other hand by seeing the way Eromancer replies in sensitive threads like his Patreon page or even the ULMF post might point that he is either very sensitive and acts unprofessional towards the criticism that he received there.
And instead of finding a constructive way of addressing it, he decided to attack others and eventually close the thread.
Which for me looks very troublesome and worrying.
Also adding to this the fact that v0.511 was released in Octomber 2016 and we still do not know any release dates for v0.6 it makes it look more and more that the creator is mostly busy writing updates rather than really creating and showing them to the public.
Because for example, if he had the attitude of "Hey folks, I've made this and this great change, please have a check of it in the inner circle" and then release it to lower tiers of support after some time, than he would have:
1. Feedback from players.
2. Attract more supporters
3. Advertising them to buy the higher tier in order to play
4. Earn more than enough money to hire people that can help him with other aspects of the game, like PR (that would be better than him communicating with audience), script-writer to help him complete the story if he hasn't completed it yet or more developers if he needs such.
As I know he has only TK, AltairPL and Ubercharge to help him with development and also one guy working on the soundtrack which name I forgot.
And if he indeed have a marketing employee, than his team is 5-6 people big.
Now what I wonder is if he will wait for supporters to withdraw support and then start providing them with information/version when income is critically low.
Or he will take advantage of the current constant support and release new updates/game versions to boost his support.
I'd like to come to the defense of both "attackers" and "defenders" of Eromancer.
As many others, I've also joined the project and hastily hopped in Patreon and anticipated an update every month.
I was full with optimism and enthusiasm but after a while, almost a year, I've decided that this is too much waiting for nothing so I dropped my support.
I've seen how other patreon creators like Lewdlab, Phillygames, Hreinn Games and others provide frequent updates maintaint and increase their income and thus earning a lot more than Eromancer ever did (see Lewdlab).
From the above post of Dracis3D, the 1st comment quite accurately points to the flaws of Eromancer development scheme and points out the enormous amount of time the development might need when the number of enemies and interactions increase over time.
Which to some extend might be the case why Eromancer is consuming so much time developing various stuff in the game.
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Posted by Dracis3D
This could point slow progress, but still progress none the less, which for me and probably other enthusiasts is a good sign that this project wont die like others or even stop posting updates and slack like for instance Simbro did.
On the other hand by seeing the way Eromancer replies in sensitive threads like his Patreon page or even the ULMF post might point that he is either very sensitive and acts unprofessional towards the criticism that he received there.
And instead of finding a constructive way of addressing it, he decided to attack others and eventually close the thread.
Which for me looks very troublesome and worrying.
Also adding to this the fact that v0.511 was released in Octomber 2016 and we still do not know any release dates for v0.6 it makes it look more and more that the creator is mostly busy writing updates rather than really creating and showing them to the public.
Because for example, if he had the attitude of "Hey folks, I've made this and this great change, please have a check of it in the inner circle" and then release it to lower tiers of support after some time, than he would have:
1. Feedback from players.
2. Attract more supporters
3. Advertising them to buy the higher tier in order to play
4. Earn more than enough money to hire people that can help him with other aspects of the game, like PR (that would be better than him communicating with audience), script-writer to help him complete the story if he hasn't completed it yet or more developers if he needs such.
As I know he has only TK, AltairPL and Ubercharge to help him with development and also one guy working on the soundtrack which name I forgot.
And if he indeed have a marketing employee, than his team is 5-6 people big.
Now what I wonder is if he will wait for supporters to withdraw support and then start providing them with information/version when income is critically low.
Or he will take advantage of the current constant support and release new updates/game versions to boost his support.
That really comes down to his motivations and what camp you put Eromancer, the cynical will say game updates will happen if support keeps dropping. or he will just give up.
Of your spoiler I think point 2 (options = math overload) is the biggest game design obstacle for a completed game, and point 1 can annoy, though some love it. Only the latter is being addressed in the technical refresh, though I'm happy to be proved wrong. The numbers (enemy types, outfits, bad ends, cut scenes, choices and choice impacts, level up curves etc) should have all been designed in 2015. As with can you find the background tile-sets needed for RPG Maker levels.
Back when Combn Ation was the king of western RPG maker I considered a game in RPG Maker VX with render enemies. The map making, the time it takes to make cutscenes and events in RPG Maker, the rendering involved proved to me I didn't have the time to make a game. This was going to be a basic dungeon crawler as well. Just making puzzles is hard enough, even something like a key to a lower level (putting in enough enemies to make it a challenge, but not make it near to impossible, or make it to grindy). My point being, that aside from technical refreshes, making the game is really time consuming.
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Could you please clarify the cynical part please? That the cynical people will believe that Eromancer is driven only by self interest and greed or that we people that wants this game to be completed quicker are cynics.
Which after some thinking about it is kinda true as well.
But even if we read trough the interview he gave for
P.S I've edited my previous post to clarify my sources, and that the Spoiler is actually a more human readable long Quote.
Which after some thinking about it is kinda true as well.
But even if we read trough the interview he gave for
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it seems he wants to deliver the best sex oriented re-playable western JRPG. I don't know if his interest are to help man kind have the best game or simply he wants to have his name/alias under it.P.S I've edited my previous post to clarify my sources, and that the Spoiler is actually a more human readable long Quote.
A cynical view would be that Eromancer is driven by self interest and greed, and the game is not being worked upon as he can string people along with long 'flashy' updates, and previous talk about making the best porn Western JRPG. Self interest of people wanting the game delivered quicker, is purely self interest in my opinion (not cynicism which is mistrust of others motivations). For those who have sunk money into the game, they are entitled to be disillusioned, the rest are just spectators to what might be the best Western JRPG or a footnote in adult Patreon game making (as one of the first ambitious titles).
