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RPGM Abandoned Malise And The Machine [v0.0511] [Eromancer]

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Gomly1980

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It's not a normal game, and they're not a normally sized team. Plus, there have been games that have taken many years to craft, like FFXV. The thing about Malise, is that they had one idea in mind, but eventually changed their product to include something with more depth and quality to it.
I don't know whether to laugh or laugh hysterically.

Don't recall Square opening a Patreon page asking for monthly donations for FFXV and showing absolutely nothing for it.
 
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ColdBlade

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You want to talk about games with quality and depth? Here are just a few examples of what's normal

Axiom Verge - made by one guy in 5 years
Cave Story - made by one guy in his spare time while he was in college and later working in his day job, also 5 years
Dust: An Elysian Tail - with the exception of voiceacting and the soundtrack the game was developed by one guy in 3 and a half years

And they didn't beg for money each month in exchange of nothing. Eromancer's behavior is inexcusable no matter what you want to believe.
Then I recommend you take your complaints up to Eromancer, otherwise you're preaching to a choir.

Personally, the way I see it, is this:

Devs are only being supported by consumers(Paetrons.) Devs honestly aren't bound or owe anyone anything. It is sad, but true; because they are under no actual contracts. Individuals are donating their money in hopes to finished projects, but in this same retrospect, many devs never finish their projects and others straight out cancel/abandon them.

In an actual business, these guys would of been canned; no ifs, ands, or buts about it. We can go on and prattle about how many years it takes to make this game or how many years it takes to make that game; but I assure you, those games that had been developed or are develop have gone through actual testing by those that put their money in to sponsor them. No one spending hard earn cash wish to see it go to waste; that is just stupid. Which brings us back to the first point.

Paetron Devs don't owe anyone shit. Supporters can at any point stop their support/pledge, neither party is legally bound to the other. If people want to continue to throw their cash away, that is them. These creators have not released a new tech demo for closely over two years; even if it is something mini-scale of small updates included in an existing one, they hardly did that beyond their last update to the former one.

In truth, these creators fell off the rails when they changed their pledge features. It was much better when pay by game update vs pay by the month; because pay by actual game update shows that they had been working on the project for supporters to test it. Honestly, I believe all Devs on paetron should only include a pay by update feature; but I can also see how a problem that may be if little to no content is produced in that regard as well.

Good Devs can actually produce content on a monthly basis for their players to enjoy that are pledged to them. Very few, though I am sure those that support such individuals know well of the ones that present content(even if little) for their audience to enjoy. This team is not one of them.

I am glad I stop my support last October, if anything I believe that was more than a courtesy to give them a year to manifest something with playability after their last demo; but they failed to even do that. Am I mad? No, not really, just a harsh truth I had to face that this game will likely never come out for awhile, if it even comes out at all.
I'd agree that they could have stuck to their first goals 2 years ago and people would have been content with the way the game was headed. We'd probably see a completed game by now. And yet, the devs decided to do a 180 and create something more of a passion project, and this is the spot we're at today - scarcely any demos (3 battle demos so far) with monthly posts limited to concept art and tech explanations.

This forum is used to monthly updates with regular content updates, so obviously this game isn't for most people.
 

ColdBlade

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I don't know whether to laugh or laugh hysterically.

Don't recall Square opening a Patreon page asking for monthly donations for FFXV and showing absolutely nothing for it.
No they didn't, but they also changed the game play-ability a few times that warranted the game's release delay.
 

stoper

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How is making valid points and counter-arguments stupid shit? Stop licking that block of salt that's your life.
Valid points? Comparing an RPG Maker game to a Final Fantasy title? Seems like you're the one licking something, mate, and it ain't salt.
An RPG Maker base, with DAZ Studio 3D models and props. What exactly do you believe they were working on all this time?
 

ColdBlade

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Valid points? Comparing an RPG Maker game to a Final Fantasy title? Seems like you're the one licking something, mate, and it ain't salt.
An RPG Maker base, with DAZ Studio 3D models and props. What exactly do you believe they were working on all this time?
You sound like a expert in the field of game-making, maybe you can elaborate on their whole work progress.
 

lucifersbliss

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People insulting those who disagree with the popular opinion. Please get back on topic, or lack there of.
I'd rather people with more money than sense support something like that rather than the bonkers mad stuff like EA games.

At least people will run out of patience with this....... eventually, which is more control than what gamers have over EA's nonsense.
 

Gomly1980

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People insulting those who disagree with the popular opinion. Please get back on topic, or lack there of.
I'd rather people with more money than sense support something like that rather than the bonkers mad stuff like EA games.

At least people will run out of patience with this....... eventually, which is more control than what gamers have over EA's nonsense.
Major difference being even though EA are full of shit practices, if I bought an EA game i'd get a game.

These guys haven't released anything since 2016 and still expect money.

With EA you may be paying for shady anti consumer practices but at least you get something for your money, here you get nothing.
 
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stoper

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You sound like a expert in the field of game-making, maybe you can elaborate on their whole work progress.
I think I made my opinion regarding their "work process" rather clear - I do not believe there is a work process, they are just scamming gullible people like you.
 

bigpenniser

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I think I made my opinion regarding their "work process" rather clear - I do not believe there is a work process, they are just scamming gullible people like you.
We tried to explain ourselves to him reasonably first. He is trying to compare a fucking RPGM game with triple AAA games development and acting like 6 years of development for it is normal.

Dont waste your time, he is not going to understand that regardless of what they are working on IF they are working on anything, this is a fucking scam.
 
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dd209

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Meh, I hold to my belief that they're not ill-intentioned, just bad at prioritizing and ultimately responsible for the decision to effectively reboot the entire game after an already-sluggish release schedule.

But at the end of the day I'm aware I might just be being scammed. There are games with full real-time gameplay and pixel animation with much more commendable development speed and releases.

It genuinely saddens me to think how much promise this game had, especially during the period in which inner backers were getting new content for the underground lab with the fleshreaper and mutant pods/tentacles etc.

Would be still be hilarious if they jsut scrapped the game and blamed "hard drive loss" or "piracy".
 

Arrngrim

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Little late to the party it seems, but dude....you lost your argument with this post:

"Then I recommend you take your complaints up to Eromancer, otherwise you're preaching to a choir."

If you had been paying attention to his Patreon over the years (yes, years), you would have known Eromancer actively deletes and destroys any negative feedback he receives wherever he can. That's why this is one of the few places "the truth" is preached to we unwashed heathen masses and also why he still receives thousands monthly for fuck all. Many don't understand what has happened over the years.

On a side note, one of the best HRPG games ever is Noxian Nights.
 

bloodmane

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what the fuck is going on in this thread? we all know this shit wont have any output anytime soon. can we just post whatever "updates" they post(if someone is still supporting their "work").
 
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stoper

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@bloodmane , like @Arrngrim mentioned, the self-moderation of Patreon allows such bullshit artist to run scams for ears, by carefully cleaning any critique from their project pages. It's only in places like this one, where people can be warren when there is something fishy.
 

156_163_146_167

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Everywhere thread I've seen about this game just becomes a never ending cycle of continuously pointing out how they are not doing anything and getting money for it through Patreon. It has been a long time that I've been following this thread, and I've followed the ULMF thread before that. And not a thing has changed. No updates on the game. One person that's "defending" them from time to time (defending is in quotes because no one truly believes Ecomancer are doing the right thing, I don't think) and of course the game and the development of it has been compared to a AAA game more than once.

In the past I have pledged one or two months, and in the end I pretty much got shit all out of it. I know that I will not support this game, or really any game on Patreon for that matter, just willy nilly. There has to be proof that they're doing something good, or the game has to be really amazing. There are very few Patreon developers that fit in either or even both of those categories. So I am staying away from that platform as long as I can. If there is an h-game that I may be interested in, I'll see if I can try it out by pirating it first, and then I'll consider buying the game when it comes out.
 
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