HTML Masters of Raana [v0.8.3.3] [GrimDark]

[Lostsoul333]

Well, that's dice roll for you. And this game is based on dice roll system as far as i am aware.
So, you'll just have to deal with it.
In the first place, i don't think you're supposed to have absolutely everything in the game.
So, only natural that some of your skills which you didn't spec into will be hard to train.

Hilariously enough, no.
I even sometimes got double skillups in one day when i was past 100.
Was quite amused.
But noticed significant difficulty jump once i hit 130, i think i spent like a week trying to skillup when i hit 130 and still failed.
Hm, maybe i'll give it another shot.
I don't think skills actually have a hard cap, but things do get more hardcore the higher you go.

I'm still new to this game but from looking at wika it seems to me 130 is max skill lv in some, or all skills or at least max potincheal.

 

[Gunner Rey]

I'm still new to this game but from looking at wika it seems to me 130 is max skill lv in some, or all skills or at least max potincheal.

Not for Rebecca it's not! I had her up to 136 stamina before I finally moved on.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Maybe he's changed it since you did your training, what you describe was not my experience at all. Or perhaps there's another factor I'm unaware of. I know with slaves it seems their discipline matters a great deal and I suspect the percent of stamina they have left plays a factor as well. Is there possibly something about your character that makes it easier for him to train?

I think it's just same ol' dice, being random as usual.
A possibility that makes it easier to skillup during training huh... Hm.
Absolutely no clue, i don't think i did anything out of the ordinary, the usual "try hard" that damages your health + "hire trainer" combo.

Ah, i remember!
I also went to fuck certain noble lady often to keep my horny state out of the picture, i think how horny you are affects your training.
Perhaps you train while you're horny and that's affecting your rolls?

I'm still new to this game but from looking at wika it seems to me 130 is max skill lv in some, or all skills or at least max potincheal.

Haven't been beyond 130 yet so.. can't say quite yet.
But i don't think there is an actual hard-cap.

 

[Lostsoul333]

I got a few Questions.... What is survival skill good for in-game aside from hunting and fishing? I read all the books I can, still missing 2 somewhere basic meds, and demonic pleasures. I also took all the courses I can for increasing my int how can I lv up my int more?

bugg report. Slave May Lynn corruption lv is buggeg. I got it up to like 15 5 times and each time I end day and it drops down to 9

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

What is survival skill good for in-game aside from hunting and fishing?

For now, not very much.
But in the future pretty sure there will be more to it.
Same for stealth.

basic meds, and demonic pleasures

I don't think those two are in the game yet.

I also took all the courses I can for increasing my int how can I lv up my int more?

Probably teach at the academy, haven't tried that one myself though, because i don't want to be tied to it.

 

[Lostsoul333]

Probably teach at the academy, haven't tried that one myself though, because i don't want to be tied to it.

I have thought over 200 times at the academy on mc and I have a 96 int that has not gone up once in that time.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

I have thought over 200 times at the academy on mc and I have a 96 int that has not gone up once in that time.

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[Gunner Rey]

I think it's just same ol' dice, being random as usual.
A possibility that makes it easier to skillup during training huh... Hm.
Absolutely no clue, i don't think i did anything out of the ordinary, the usual "try hard" that damages your health + "hire trainer" combo.

Ah, i remember!
I also went to fuck certain noble lady often to keep my horny state out of the picture, i think how horny you are affects your training.
Perhaps you train while you're horny and that's affecting your rolls?

No, I noticed that and laughed, then made sure it would never inhibit my skill production again. I also spit-roast that little slut with Felix or the Space Marine, but also use Hope Laurel and the Baths in Crystal Hills if I'm in need of Stamina, Health or Willpower as well.

 

[Gunner Rey]

I got a few Questions.... What is survival skill good for in-game aside from hunting and fishing? I read all the books I can, still missing 2 somewhere basic meds, and demonic pleasures. I also took all the courses I can for increasing my int how can I lv up my int more?

bugg report. Slave May Lynn corruption lv is buggeg. I got it up to like 15 5 times and each time I end day and it drops down to 9

I don't think that's a bug, it's tied to one of her traits I believe. I've had the same problem with Juno sometimes and others as I recall. I don't remember how I managed to get past it, I suspect whipping was involved but don't recall for sure. Let's hope someone can enlighten us both.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

No, I noticed that and laughed, then made sure it would never inhibit my skill production again. I also spit-roast that little slut with Felix or the Space Marine, but also use Hope Laurel and the Baths in Crystal Hills if I'm in need of Stamina, Health or Willpower as well.

Speaking about her, i'm still wondering wtf her affection actually does.
Grim is silent like the dead about it even tho i asked multiple times.
This mystery keeps bugging me to no end.
I wonder if she just decides to become the player's possession if you rise her affection high enough?
She seems subby after all.
Damn it, i wanna know. TELL ME GRIM!

 

[Lostsoul333]

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thanks I was teaching since the whole time ill try the other class

 

[madchef]

Kind of in line with the ongoing discussion...

I did a few restarts with different stat/skill initial distribution, and unless I'm just having a bad RNG rolls streak, it seems the stat/skill gain from training and events are straight dice roll results? Skimmed through the HTML code, and seems to be the case, but maybe I'm just misreading things.

I wonder if it would be possible for GD-studios to implement kind of a "normalization" approach.

No, no, no! That would spoil the fun... for the devs. Grinding is the simplest way to increase playtime without adding any new elements worth playing for. Getting impatient with your weakling wimp of an MC? Why don't you join... the subscribers team, where top tiers allow you to further customize him, so you won't have to spend the first 200 ingame days save-scumming deer hunting and... firing range, just because you can't improve your firing accuracy by aiming and shooting game in the forest - this is simply absurd that you could get better at something just by doing something - you need to train doing something instead. And when it comes to sex, the deviant type, you know... just read, a lot. Because everybody knows BDSM smut readers make the best BDSM lovers. This is the sure-fire way to improve your flagellation and binding techniques. Actual whipping and bondage? Not so much... she loves the first lash, hates the second and third, then orgasms at the fourth. Gains corruption, loses corruption, gets happier, or angrier - la donna e mobile, what can you say? But your mastery of the whip or rope or buttplug will only improve once in a blue moon, if ever. Just read.

 

[RosX]

A small bug with a long explanation: in the options of the sex sessions where the fingers are , you have to take it out and kiss the girl. Sometimes it gives kissing skill to MC but does not add it to the character overview . I warned that the explanation is long .

 

[Gunner Rey]

No, no, no! That would spoil the fun... for the devs. Grinding is the simplest way to increase playtime without adding any new elements worth playing for. Getting impatient with your weakling wimp of an MC? Why don't you join... the subscribers team, where top tiers allow you to further customize him, so you won't have to spend the first 200 ingame days save-scumming deer hunting and... firing range, just because you can't improve your firing accuracy by aiming and shooting game in the forest - this is simply absurd that you could get better at something just by doing something - you need to train doing something instead.

Again, I don't get why anyone is save-scumming hunting or training for that matter. One of the first things I did playing this game was start a character with a Survival score of 20 and, after devouring the low-hanging fruit (that I knew of at the time), took a pile of about 5k coin and started hunting. While improving my house every day, (admittedly the cheapest ones at first) I went out hunting every day with Juno to see if I could make a go of it hunting starting with a Survival score that low. For while it looked like it would be touch-and-go, but before I had to change my strategy I started hitting enough crits hunting that I not only had food but plenty of money too from the leather and then the Famine started and I had 1400 food.

At the same time I trained every day, which at that time I could do at night and that doesn't work anymore, but now you can hire a trainer and you don't need to 'push it' to almost always get a rank increase until you get somewhere over 60, then all you have to do is push that button too and you'll be getting a point for every training until about 80. It took me maybe twenty minutes of game time to do this and I was also working on Juno and Michelle and going to Furrie's most nights. I was playing the game not grinding and there was never any need to save-scum.

And when it comes to sex, the deviant type, you know... just read, a lot. Because everybody knows BDSM smut readers make the best BDSM lovers. This is the sure-fire way to improve your flagellation and binding techniques. Actual whipping and bondage? Not so much... she loves the first lash, hates the second and third, then orgasms at the fourth. Gains corruption, loses corruption, gets happier, or angrier - la donna e mobile, what can you say? But your mastery of the whip or rope or buttplug will only improve once in a blue moon, if ever. Just read.

Heh, that's kinda funny, your paragraph above is too I just disagreed with it as it didn't reflect my experience. I have noticed that books in many of these games take on an almost mystical quality, akin to what my elementary school librarian used to assure us they did. However those books only get you so far, even reading them and getting the max each time you're gonna be well below 50 unless you took those Bondage and Whipping bonuses during character creation. Even then you're not much above 50 so in the long run the only way to become a true expert is with experience. Every twenty lashes or so ought to generate a point thus I'd suggest rotating whichever of your sluts loves the lash (so one poor girl doesn't get beaten to a pulp) and get a session in every day and if it works like I think it does and you want to limit lashes to no more than 10 a day per slut then every other day you ought to get a point. If you've several sluts that beg for the lash then you can probably fit in two a day.

 

[ShinCore]

Dont have time to chime in tonight (playing around with the latest modified version of Stable Diffusion, for the game!), but I really appreciate the conversations you guys are having.

Constructive debates will result in a better game for all!

 

[madchef]

Again, I don't get why anyone is save-scumming hunting or training for that matter. One of the first things I did playing this game was start a character with a Survival score of 20 and, after devouring the low-hanging fruit (that I knew of at the time), took a pile of about 5k coin and started hunting.

Getting to hunting is not that bad and success chance seems ok. My gripe is that you can't improve your shooting skill when hunting... or in combat (from my experience). And shooting practice just so happens to cost money, because... ammo is precious. And then again, what is the point of 3 different hunting techniques? Just standing there with a crossbow seems to work best and gain the most. Hunting with a rifle almost always gains less skin. Too many holes or what is the story?

At the same time I trained every day, which at that time I could do at night and that doesn't work anymore, but now you can hire a trainer and you don't need to 'push it' to almost always

Almost always? Just far too often it so happens to my that I spent 90 bucks on top of 15 for the ammo, only to hear from the trainer that I suck.

The odds are just too low in many activities. Too much dice-rolling. Instead of difficulty-scaled tasks and missions which will improve your stats as you move along with your story, you have to spend quite some time doing the same thing over and over again, just so you won't get killed at your first combat or your first live-in slave will not laugh at the state of your house or your poor manipulation technique. Which is grinding, even if you don't resort to save-scumming.

And there are also some sweet traps set for the player at this stage of the development. I don't recommend outfitting your MC with a Hugh Mungus of a dick if you're into anal. You'll need to prepare the girls' butts for big cock experience first - a bit of realism which I appreciate - using a set of buttplugs, which you can buy but cannot use - a bit of unrealism I don't appreciate. However, you can still ass fuck them when they're in bondage... which they may find pleasurable and happiness increasing, even the rough pace, but which will not improve their love of anal. Only sex without ropes does... which, again, is a bit odd. While there should be a distinction between corporal punishment and sex, for highly corrupted and loving, loyal slaves, this distinction should be blurred. And it is, in text descriptions, but not in 'the numbers' game.

 

[Heavy Sleeper]

The odds are just too low in many activities. Too much dice-rolling. Instead of difficulty-scaled tasks and missions which will improve your stats as you move along with your story, you have to spend quite some time doing the same thing over and over again, just so you won't get killed at your first combat or your first live-in slave will not laugh at the state of your house or your poor manipulation technique. Which is grinding, even if you don't resort to save-scumming.

And there are also some sweet traps set for the player at this stage of the development. I don't recommend outfitting your MC with a Hugh Mungus of a dick if you're into anal. You'll need to prepare the girls' butts for big cock experience first - a bit of realism which I appreciate - using a set of buttplugs, which you can buy but cannot use - a bit of unrealism I don't appreciate. However, you can still ass fuck them when they're in bondage... which they may find pleasurable and happiness increasing, even the rough pace, but which will not improve their love of anal. Only sex without ropes does... which, again, is a bit odd. While there should be a distinction between corporal punishment and sex, for highly corrupted and loving, loyal slaves, this distinction should be blurred. And it is, in text descriptions, but not in 'the numbers' game.

that's why I made the free cities comparison. If the girl works as a whore she gain exp in sex and whoring, if she works and a public servant she gain skill in "entertainment" and sex so you don't have to do the 1 actively for the rest of the slave life to get her to become a "masterful slave". The only times you do have to repeat an activity is when you want her to become a specialist like a teacher or a "head girl" or just send her to school but even then she'll learn other skills(which the academy in this game does)

But in this game you have to be "training" do increase most stats, while actually using those skill a lot of times doesn't really feel rewarding or any way reflect an improvement as you get better.

 

[ShinCore]

that's why I made the free cities comparison. If the girl works as a whore she gain exp in sex and whoring, if she works and a public servant she gain skill in "entertainment" and sex so you don't have to do the 1 actively for the rest of the slave life to get her to become a "masterful slave". The only times you do have to repeat an activity is when you want her to become a specialist like a teacher or a "head girl" or just send her to school but even then she'll learn other skills(which the academy in this game does)

But in this game you have to be "training" do increase most stats, while actually using those skill a lot of times doesn't really feel rewarding or any way reflect an improvement as you get better.

ugh, FreeCities. amazing game. loved it.

the sex interactions were TERRIBAD. i havent poked in there in awhile though. it may have improved, the last i played the framework for the improved sex interactions had just placeholders.

 

[ShinCore]

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GrimDark — Today at 9:38 PM
While I'm busy coding Caitlin's long jungle expedition (character quest), MoR's other artistic talents are working hard on the prostitution engine's visual aspects.

 

[mogioh]

Now I'm going to defend my post.

The problem is that constantly doing minor adjustments that aren't truly needed does take time. I understand wanting to make the "perfect" game, but no game is ever perfect. Sometimes, you have to say this is good enough and move on, otherwise that timeline will continue to stretch out longer and longer. Many of those games you describe aren't finished because they keep adding things, changing things for whatever reason and then burn out or it becomes too buggy or the story becomes to convoluted and they don't know what to do next or how to finish or worse case they're milking the supporters. I definitely don't want that to happen here.

I understand about making supporters happy. Some of the things that people want, for example, like the one you just posted about tendstims and food amounts on main screen is nice though unnecessary. I don't know how long it took, maybe just 5 minutes, but to your point about spaghetti code, was the extra code necessary? Will that extra code be a problem later when he needs to make a more important adjustment? I don't know, but Grim already gave us an easy way to check by putting access to the mercenaries on the main page. All you have to do is look at your mercenary screen and the number of tendstims is right there. After all, how often do you need to know that? Before a battle? Even then it isn't totally necessary since you can't heal in battle anyway and after battle just go to the store to buy more if you don't have enough. If healing in battle becomes a thing, you'll be checking your mercenaries before battle and you'll see how many you have then.

As for food, if you don't have an idea of how much food you have and you really need to know the amount it is already shown in your inventory. I've yet to see an occasion where it was vital to know and you couldn't click on your inventory to find out. Maybe I haven't run into it, so I don't know. On top of that, when you go to sell you're shown how much you have.

The point being, nice to have and maybe cosmetically pleasing to see, but not really necessary to have. All I was asking are these types of things worth the time and code to implement? This is not to denigrate any of his work on things like this, it's pretty awesome how responsive Grim is and how willing he is to cater to the requests people make.

Grim had already replied to me and I'm good with whatever he wants to do and I'll trust him to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's his game and I know he wants to make it the best he can. I also think he is making a remarkable game and even without the sex part it is a crpg that I would want to purchase and play. I've tried many post-apocalytic type games from major and indie devs and many weren't this interesting.

All said and done, it was just an opinion as is this.

very well said