khumak

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I've just reached the point where I didn't put any background at all on my player and then just directly add points to the skills I want maxed out. That way I get all the good non-combat traits and two maxed out skills + a third maxed out skill, if I skip teen subduer and techie.

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I'm not sure at all, that maxing out Copulation is a good tradeoff, but I belive it stacks on top of other stats when requesting sex and I believe it also adds chance for the girl to gain nymphomanic points during sex... So, it seems like a nice perk to have from day 1, and I couldn't really think of anywhere else to put the points (except then for teen subduer and techie).
For a Rise start the traits are really the only thing I care about. My stats are going to suck no matter what so I'm in for a lot of grinding anyway. I can get all of the good traits except Deadly Strike/Critical Strike while only taking Unlucky and Debt for negative traits, but that requires taking zero skill classes. So initially I'm bad at literally everything, but with the traits to become almost as good as an enhanced build at everything eventually. I can't get Deadly Strike but I already have everything else.

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Stamina at 25 will make it very difficult for you at the beginning.
I find that it doesn't really matter if I have 25 or 50 stamina points when starting the game. Training stamina consumes whatever I have left when I start training regardless. So, it is just a matter of how many days I need to train stamina. And wildborn, with Kyle and Loreen makes hunting rarely fail. So the ~11 stamina you have in the morning + 5 if you go look at the view above Imogens Barrow, is enough to have an average of 2 successful hunts per day.

If you keep training stamina and switch to Christianity on day 1, and meditate until you pass out, during the nights, you will go from stamina starved to more stamina than you need within a few weeks, and a few weeks after that you typically don't have to think about stamina other than if you spend all days crafting.
 
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khumak

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I find that it doesn't really matter if I have 25 or 50 stamina points when starting the game. Training stamina consumes whatever I have left when I start training regardless. So, it is just a matter of how many days I need to train stamina. And wildborn, with Kyle and Loreen makes hunting rarely fail. So the ~11 stamina you have in the morning + 5 if you go look at the view above Imogens Barrow, is enough to have an average of 2 successful hunts per day.

If you keep training stamina and switch to Christianity on day 1, and meditate until you pass out, during the nights, you will go from stamina starved to more stamina than you need within a few weeks, and a few weeks after that you typically don't have to think about stamina other than if you spend all days crafting.
Yeah I agree. The first thing I'm going to do in most games is train stamina anyway. Starting with 25 just means I'm going to do that for longer before I do anything else. It IS a big inconvenience on day 1 but it's worth it if it means you can take a trait that you otherwise couldn't.
 
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are there cheats for money and stats? I really hate grinding
Remember this is a true sandbox, and there is no way to "win".
There are ways to lose ("Game Over"), so there are wrong ways to play, but there's no "right" way to play.
If you don't want to grind up your stats, then don't. If you decide what is most important FOR YOU to do during the game you can build a character that can do just about anything pretty well on Day 1.
Short of the $25/month tier you can't build a character that can do everything in the game... but you don't have to do everything in the game. You don't need a sprawling empire of investments and vassels. You don't need dozens of slaves. You don't need to do every quest - or even any quest!
I think this freedom is one of the strongest features of the game.
Play it how you enjoy playing.
 

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For a Rise start the traits are really the only thing I care about. My stats are going to suck no matter what so I'm in for a lot of grinding anyway. I can get all of the good traits except Deadly Strike/Critical Strike while only taking Unlucky and Debt for negative traits, but that requires taking zero skill classes. So initially I'm bad at literally everything, but with the traits to be come almost as good as an enhanced build at everything eventually. I can't get Deadly Strike but I already have everything else.

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How do you improve the intelligence? 150 ensys sessions to get 30 points? Something else?
 

khumak

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How do you improve the intelligence? 150 ensys sessions to get 30 points? Something else?
There aren't any good options that I know of. All of them are low percentage. The only option I know of with a double digit chance is an extravagant marriage. Which means lots of marriages. Which means you have to be rich first. Poker can raise it to 90 but pretty much requires F5. Ensys can raise it but I'm not clear on the chance or how repeatable that is. If you start with less than 40 I think you can just go to sleep and have a high chance to get free points to raise it to 40 but if you started with Brainy you already have at least 50.

I think for a Rise start where I wanted to eventually get Master Tactician I would tally up how many points you can get from books and classes, subtract that from 90 and grind to there, then take classes/read books to put me at exactly 90. I don't know offhand how many points you can get from books and classes. I think books can give about 15. Classes probably somewhere close to another 15. So need to grind to probably somewhere around 60 before doing any of those. If you have Brainy that's only about 10 points.

All other stats and skills that you actually need are MUCH easier to raise.
 

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There aren't any good options that I know of. All of them are low percentage. The only option I know of with a double digit chance is an extravagant marriage. Which means lots of marriages. Which means you have to be rich first. Poker can raise it to 90 but pretty much requires F5. Ensys can raise it but I'm not clear on the chance or how repeatable that is. If you start with less than 40 I think you can just go to sleep and have a high chance to get free points to raise it to 40 but if you started with Brainy you already have at least 50.

I think for a Rise start where I wanted to eventually get Master Tactician I would tally up how many points you can get from books and classes, subtract that from 90 and grind to there, then take classes/read books to put me at exactly 90. I don't know offhand how many points you can get from books and classes. I think books can give about 15. Classes probably somewhere close to another 15. So need to grind to probably somewhere around 60 before doing any of those. If you have Brainy that's only about 10 points.

All other stats and skills that you actually need are MUCH easier to raise.
After a little searching in the html for "masterint+=1", I suspect that the best option is to marry stormchild and then repeatedly go to the cafe with her. Not sure about the probability, but it looks like it could be 25%, but possibly inside another event making the probability much smaller. But the good part is that it looks repeatable and capped only by the wifes intelligence.

To get intelligence from wedding seems to require a $25k wedding for 20% chance... So 50 x $25k for 10 points.

For any normal start, I think I will simpy keep 90 Intelligence as a mandatory "trait" :)
 

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After a little searching in the html for "masterint+=1", I suspect that the best option is to marry stormchild and then repeatedly go to the cafe with her. Not sure about the probability, but it looks like it could be 25%, but possibly inside another event making the probability much smaller. But the good part is that it looks repeatable and capped only by the wifes intelligence.

To get intelligence from wedding seems to require a $25k wedding for 20% chance... So 50 x $25k for 10 points.

For any normal start, I think I will simpy keep 90 Intelligence as a mandatory "trait" :)
If you mean the option for MC to gain int from taking his wife to the cafe that is a vanishingly small chance unless it's been changed. The way it used to work there was no chance at all unless your wife had more intelligence than you and you also had at least 90 academics or science. In that case there was kind of a nested chain of successes you had to get for MC to gain anything.

So first there was like a 25% chance success at the cafe visit. If you fail that then you automatically lose the chance at any gains. If you succeed and your wife has lower int than you then she has a new roll to see if she gains a point of Int. Chances of that were low but not too bad. Chance for MC to gain is zero.

If your wife had more int than MC then first you have to succeed at the initial event check. Then if both your science and academics were below the threshold then your chance of any gains is zero. If 1 of them was above the threshold then you get maybe a 0.01% chance of an Int gain. If BOTH of them were above the threshold then you get more like a 0.1% chance. So if you're relying on that for Int gains you're going to have to F5 dozens, if not hundreds of times per point at a bare minimum. The chance is definitely less than poker.

To make matters worse for MC gaining int, the chance was also dependent on how much difference there was between your wife's int and yours. If there was more than a 1 or 2 point difference then the chance dropped to essentially zero.

For extravagant marriage it's more like 20% chance per $25k wedding. So if you need to gain 20 points of Int expect to spend like $2 mil on 80 weddings to get it. I don't know what the actual chance is, but it's significantly better than 1%.
 

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Where can we find Milou Skye? The wiki says that on the second deck in the mastersphere, but there is no one there except the marine guards
 

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Where can we find Milou Skye? The wiki says that on the second deck in the mastersphere, but there is no one there except the marine guards
I haven't found her yet but I think I recall reading she has to be the pilot listed on the Mastersphere shuttle. I've been there a few times but not had her listed as the pilot. I started going there ~9AM to see who was listed as pilot but did that only twice and no joy so far.
 

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I haven't found her yet but I think I recall reading she has to be the pilot listed on the Mastersphere shuttle. I've been there a few times but not had her listed as the pilot. I started going there ~9AM to see who was listed as pilot but did that only twice and no joy so far.
Oh, okay, I will try
 

khumak

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I haven't found her yet but I think I recall reading she has to be the pilot listed on the Mastersphere shuttle. I've been there a few times but not had her listed as the pilot. I started going there ~9AM to see who was listed as pilot but did that only twice and no joy so far.
Oh is that random? I just did a quick start with the $750k enhanced money start just to see and she was my pilot on the first try. I just assumed she was always the pilot but maybe not. You can ask her out for a drink if she is. I didn't take it far enough to get to where I could hire her.
 
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