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If there's one thing we're all used to in here, it's waiting. Maybe he's trying to find a groove he can get himself to work in.
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Is it possible to have a small preview with some pictures on how the work is progressing? curiosity is too high! Thanks for your updates!Okay, I have an update on the above from Suzinak.
To recap, Suzinak has delivered Scene 3 a few days ago, but it didn’t have the right quality and was diverging very much from the script. So I’ve asked Suzinak to remake the scene and stick to the script because it’s a plot scene so every little detail matters. Suzinak told me that this is a difficult scene to make quickly, so he’s skipping that for now and he’ll do it later. I’m a bit worried about that, but I’m trying to think positive that he’ll manage to do it fast.
And just so you know, in my opinion, it’s not such a complex scene to pose. It has some difficulty in choosing the right clothes (dress, shoes, etc.) to do the right things, and then to light the scene in a cool way. So it’s either that, or he’s trying to do something more ambitious that increases the difficulty. I’m a bit curious on how Suzinak will make it work, but it seems we’ll have to wait.
For now he’ll continue with Scene 5 and as soon as I have any updates (new renders, new info etc.) I’ll update you!
Yeah, I can understand! And thank you for your kindness!Is it possible to have a small preview with some pictures on how the work is progressing? curiosity is too high! Thanks for your updates!
Unfortunately, anything that's been presentable has been given as a teaser already.
If Suzinak wants to share more, he'll do it on discord (probably).
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Maybe Suninak needs to be let loose, without putting pressure on the plot ... I know it's frustrating but it works ... and sometimes it goes like this. If a scene is too complicated to make, change it. I think CH4 needs to be scaled or split.
Otherwise in extremis close the game with a happy ending in maximum 2 or 3 scenes and end.
But giving up such a job without finishing it is one thing not to do.
Otherwise in extremis close the game with a happy ending in maximum 2 or 3 scenes and end.
But giving up such a job without finishing it is one thing not to do.
Thank you for sharing this Loumax, and I really appreciate your kind advicesMaybe Suninak needs to be let loose, without putting pressure on the plot ... I know it's frustrating but it works ... and sometimes it goes like this. If a scene is too complicated to make, change it. I think CH4 needs to be scaled or split.
Otherwise in extremis close the game with a happy ending in maximum 2 or 3 scenes and end.
But giving up such a job without finishing it is one thing not to do.
IMO this isn't such a complicated scene; I could make it myself if I had the time. And keep in mind that my experience with Daz is almost 7 months. This scene is a simple narrative scene; this means no animations, no sexual content, no complex interaction between the characters. It just needs attention to detail, to include all the necessary props, clothes, expressions, lighting to setup the scene.
From the guy that managed to make panties go around the MC's cock, panties that get stuffed in MC's mouth, thigh-job animation, caressing her butt under her skirt animation (these are really complex to setup and create), I really don't know why this scene is giving him so much trouble. Suzinak has managed to do all that in the past with great results. That's what made MMC great IMO.
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And like you said, we've discussed with Suzinak and tried the "let him go loose" and make the scene however he wanted without relying too much on the script. IMO the end result was subpar (and I gave him that feedback). The whole scene had no narrative value (it was just two characters talking with each other) so no way for me to fit in this scene the complex dialog the plot requires.
I mean if that's the quality of the scene, then there's no point; let's cut it all the way from the chapter
And if we cut (or over-simplify) all the narrative scenes from the game, then what's the point of having a writer like me to create complex storylines?
Just get anyone that knows basic English to write some porn-like-dialog:
- Oh, I want you, landlady
- Oh, I want you too, tenant
- I need you, landlady
- Take me, tenant
- ...
- That was great, tenant. We should do it again.
- Oh, thank you, landlady. I liked it too!
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So my point is... if you need a well written storyline to make the game interesting, then you need complex evolving characters. You also need a lot of subtle elements and enough loose ends that make the player engaged. So if I need to create all these elements it's not easy for me to fit all these aspects to "random" renders that the 3D artist created because it was easy or convenient.
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If all these complex aspects need to be included then we need to follow the script. It's as simple as that.
Think about it if this was a movie script. You can't go changing the script lines just because the actor doesn't feel like it, or the director changing the setting just because it'll be easier to film elsewhere. That same goes about the 3D artist.
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Thank you for sharing this Loumax, but this isn't such a complicated scene; I could make it myself if I had the time. And keep in mind that my experience with Daz is almost 7 months. This scene is a simple narrative scene; this means no animations, no sexual content, no complex interaction between the characters.
From the guy that managed to make panties go around the MC's cock, panties that get stuffed in MC's mouth, thigh-job animation, caressing her butt under her skirt animation (these are really complex to setup and create), I really don't know why this scene is giving him so much trouble. Suzinak has managed to do all that in the past with great results. That's what made MMC great IMO.
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And like you said, we've discussed with Suzinak and tried the "let him go loose" and make the scene however he wanted without relying too much on the script. IMO the end result was subpar (and I gave him that feedback). The whole scene had no narrative value (it was just two characters talking with each other) so no way for me to fit in this scene the complex dialog the plot requires.
I mean if that's the quality of the scene, then there's no point; let's cut it all the way from the chapter
And if we cut (or over-simplify) all the narrative scenes from the game, then what's the point of having a writer like me to create complex storylines?
Just get anyone that knows basic English to write some porn-like-dialog:
- Oh, I want you, landlady
- Oh, I want you too, tenant
- I need you, landlady
- Take me, tenant
- ...
- That was great, tenant. We should do it again.
- Oh, thank you, landlady. I liked it too!
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So my point is... if you need a well written storyline to make the game interesting, then you need complex evolving characters. You also need a lot of subtle elements and enough loose ends that make the player engaged. So if I need to create all these elements it's not easy for me to fit all these aspects to "random" renders that the 3D artist created because it was easy or convenient.
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If all these complex aspects need to be included then we need to follow the script. It's as simple as that.
Think about it if this was a movie script. You can't go changing the script lines just because the actor doesn't feel like it, or the director changing the setting just because it'll be easier to film elsewhere. That same goes about the 3D artist.
very very very glad to see this response. Both great render and great stroy make MMC! Without enough emotion set up, the H-sence will be boring, and the player would just skip it, never really be turned on.
Hope things go well in the future for MMC! If it will meet your standard, it will definitely go beyond the players' expectation!
Thank you for sharing this and thank you for your kind words! I really appreciate it!
If Suzinak still has the love and passion within him, MMC will continue.
If he has lost it though, I can understand it; people are going through different phases as they evolve in life.
The future will show.
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Yes, I agree with your thinking. If it's that simple, there must be another reason ... too much attention was probably paid to the excellent response and he couldn't take the pressure. I hope with all my heart that the determination in him is rekindled, because just to review these images, you just think it's a shame not to continue to explore your talent.Thank you for sharing this Loumax, and I really appreciate your kind advices
IMO this isn't such a complicated scene; I could make it myself if I had the time. And keep in mind that my experience with Daz is almost 7 months. This scene is a simple narrative scene; this means no animations, no sexual content, no complex interaction between the characters. It just needs attention to detail, to include all the necessary props, clothes, expressions, lighting to setup the scene.
From the guy that managed to make panties go around the MC's cock, panties that get stuffed in MC's mouth, thigh-job animation, caressing her butt under her skirt animation (these are really complex to setup and create), I really don't know why this scene is giving him so much trouble. Suzinak has managed to do all that in the past with great results. That's what made MMC great IMO.
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And like you said, we've discussed with Suzinak and tried the "let him go loose" and make the scene however he wanted without relying too much on the script. IMO the end result was subpar (and I gave him that feedback). The whole scene had no narrative value (it was just two characters talking with each other) so no way for me to fit in this scene the complex dialog the plot requires.
I mean if that's the quality of the scene, then there's no point; let's cut it all the way from the chapter
And if we cut (or over-simplify) all the narrative scenes from the game, then what's the point of having a writer like me to create complex storylines?
Just get anyone that knows basic English to write some porn-like-dialog:
- Oh, I want you, landlady
- Oh, I want you too, tenant
- I need you, landlady
- Take me, tenant
- ...
- That was great, tenant. We should do it again.
- Oh, thank you, landlady. I liked it too!
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So my point is... if you need a well written storyline to make the game interesting, then you need complex evolving characters. You also need a lot of subtle elements and enough loose ends that make the player engaged. So if I need to create all these elements it's not easy for me to fit all these aspects to "random" renders that the 3D artist created because it was easy or convenient.
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If all these complex aspects need to be included then we need to follow the script. It's as simple as that.
Think about it if this was a movie script. You can't go changing the script lines just because the actor doesn't feel like it, or the director changing the setting just because it'll be easier to film elsewhere. That same goes about the 3D artist.
I want to be positive and wait. This artist is talented and your script is very intriguing... it's a great job not to be wasted.
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oh, it is truly said that curiosity killed the cat ... curiosity overcame me and I decided to restart the game. I got stuck up to my ears - along with paws and tail - I can not tear myself away from the plot.
i have one question - who knows, is it seemed to me what mother of the MC is acted by the same waifu that acted in the role of mother of MC in "Echoes of Lust" - or it is true, waifu the same in and MMC and in LT?
It seemed to me that the same face and the figure is similar. but I have trouble with my eyes - they see not what is there, but what I want to see - which is not objective.
i have one question - who knows, is it seemed to me what mother of the MC is acted by the same waifu that acted in the role of mother of MC in "Echoes of Lust" - or it is true, waifu the same in and MMC and in LT?
It seemed to me that the same face and the figure is similar. but I have trouble with my eyes - they see not what is there, but what I want to see - which is not objective.
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Hope we will see high quality CH4 and more soon. Waiting so long is killing, it's one of the best VN I played. What you and Suzinak have done is great, it will be a pity if it ends now. Thanks for your excellent work！Thank you for sharing this and thank you for your kind words! I really appreciate it!
If Suzinak still has the love and passion within him, MMC will continue.
If he has lost it though, I can understand it; people are going through different phases as they evolve in life.
The future will show.
Thank you for your kind words
Talking with Suzinak, he seems to be trying, but I feel that he isn't in the same spot he was. Maybe real life is pushing him out of the zone (where he can be creative).
I've experienced that myself in the past; it happens! If you don't have enough peace of mind to be creative, whatever you create doesn't have that special/unique factor. I usually call it the "magic" factor. When you're in that out-of-the-zone phase you don't know what's wrong because it's not a single thing to identify. There are a lot of things bothering you, and everything to a miniscule amount. The end result is that you're not producing the quality or quantity that you want and that makes you think that you've lost it, or similar disappointing feelings.
I don't know what happens with Suzinak, he's not the talkative guy to share these things. So we'll just have to wait a bit more. If he keeps delivering stuff to a high quality, all is good. If not, we'll see how we'll proceed.
Yes, real life is always hard with so many things to worry aboutThank you for your kind words
Talking with Suzinak, he seems to be trying, but I feel that he isn't in the same spot he was. Maybe real life is pushing him out of the zone (where he can be creative).
I've experienced that myself in the past; it happens! If you don't have enough peace of mind to be creative, whatever you create doesn't have that special/unique factor. I usually call it the "magic" factor. When you're in that out-of-the-zone phase you don't know what's wrong because it's not a single thing to identify. There are a lot of things bothering you, and everything to a miniscule amount. The end result is that you're not producing the quality or quantity that you want and that makes you think that you've lost it, or similar disappointing feelings.
I don't know what happens with Suzinak, he's not the talkative guy to share these things. So we'll just have to wait a bit more. If he keeps delivering stuff to a high quality, all is good. If not, we'll see how we'll proceed.
More worries when a person gets older And there are different periods in ones life. I could even hardly imagine the my status of only five years ago. So I totally understand you and Suzinak. Just wish we can see excellent MMC with good endings!As a fan of MMC, I hope things will go well for this game, but much more important, I hope everything in the real life will go well for you, Suzinak and other people
Hey Asmodeus_ have you thought about picking up this game if Suzinak decides to drop it? It would be shame to see a good game getting abandoned.
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a moment of thought.
on sober reflection, I have little idea why a mother would humiliate a man (making him a sex slave), namely her own son. after all, a full-fledged man and husband will no longer turn out of a person with a trampled psyche - this guy can only be presented as a "challenge prize" to one of his mother's friends at work.
maybe the mother does not want grandchildren, and she decided to keep her son as a toy and along the way punishing him for something? Has anyone had similar thoughts? after all, this story is also interesting from the point of view of reflecting on the current situation from the point of view of "what then?"
is mother decided to complete her family, her surname. for if no new children appear in the family - the family simply dies leaving nothing and no one behind, except, perhaps, tombstones, which will eventually become abandoned - the family will sink into oblivion.
a family, if it does not give birth to children, disappears from the face of the earth. and adopted children do not count - only their own.
sad minds, isn't it?
on sober reflection, I have little idea why a mother would humiliate a man (making him a sex slave), namely her own son. after all, a full-fledged man and husband will no longer turn out of a person with a trampled psyche - this guy can only be presented as a "challenge prize" to one of his mother's friends at work.
maybe the mother does not want grandchildren, and she decided to keep her son as a toy and along the way punishing him for something? Has anyone had similar thoughts? after all, this story is also interesting from the point of view of reflecting on the current situation from the point of view of "what then?"
is mother decided to complete her family, her surname. for if no new children appear in the family - the family simply dies leaving nothing and no one behind, except, perhaps, tombstones, which will eventually become abandoned - the family will sink into oblivion.
a family, if it does not give birth to children, disappears from the face of the earth. and adopted children do not count - only their own.
sad minds, isn't it?
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If he doesnt respond by August, Will you be sharing the so for shared Images or Animation that you have already with the Public??