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Except...
you cannot copyright content with lolis
Making sex with the Niece breaks all legal construction and therefore no legal rights are obtained
sadly
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you cannot copyright content with lolis
Making sex with the Niece breaks all legal construction and therefore no legal rights are obtained
sadly
- Sep 28, 2018
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The copyright stuff may or may not apply. We have no idea if Nef actually copyrighted anything about the game. The wife model, for example, is a common Daz model. As are basically all the other characters and locations. And there is a question of if the copyright, if it existed, would even be enforced. Which I personally doubt very much.
There have obviously been plenty of fan game spinoffs of other games. Even attempted continuations.
But hardly any of them, if any at all, ever become much of anything.
Because at the end of the day, nobody besides the creator knows what the game is meant to be. And eventually fans that try to continue a game will burn themselves out. They will never be as invested as the creator was in the game. No matter how much they liked the game. Nobody can replicate the style either, for this game specifically the writing style would be nearly impossible to fully grasp.
Hopefully Nef didn't go the way of Boomatica and Chatterbox, and will show up again eventually.
There have obviously been plenty of fan game spinoffs of other games. Even attempted continuations.
But hardly any of them, if any at all, ever become much of anything.
Because at the end of the day, nobody besides the creator knows what the game is meant to be. And eventually fans that try to continue a game will burn themselves out. They will never be as invested as the creator was in the game. No matter how much they liked the game. Nobody can replicate the style either, for this game specifically the writing style would be nearly impossible to fully grasp.
Hopefully Nef didn't go the way of Boomatica and Chatterbox, and will show up again eventually.
- Mar 5, 2019
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This is all academic tbh. Without the assets he used it'd be very difficult to re-create the characters and it would be next to impossible to mimic the writing style that we all loved so much.
All we can really do is hope he's ok and returns to finish his VN.
All we can really do is hope he's ok and returns to finish his VN.
- Dec 1, 2019
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Your mileage may vary depending on where you are but at least here even if some parts are illegal that does not prevent rights from being obtained and in theory enforceable, at least for other parts of the work/creation. Also I am not sure - may depend on legislation again - on whether Haley counts as "forbidden".
At least over here - again - an amount of copyright is automatically granted to every creative work which meets a certain threshold of originality. You do not have to mark it or file anything with some office, it may not be copied without permission just by existing. It may just be more difficult to prove that you were there first in some cases. And, as they say, on the high seas and in court you are in god's hand, so anything might happen.
You are of course correct that any lawsuit would be extremely improbable in real life for multiple reasons.
- Apr 26, 2020
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As far as we know, yes. No one has heard anything from Nef for a worrisome amount of time now......
- Jul 8, 2017
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Just to catch you up, and anyone else who may have wandered in late, quick synopsis: Early December, Nef makes his last Patreon post stating the usual "update is almost done, and sorry for not communicating more" and disappearing shortly after.
Around mid December of 2023, Nef began expressing family troubles on the official MLC Discord thread; something about them "taking advantage of him".
Mid January of 2024, he goes silent on Discord, but his Discord status fluctuated from idle to active during that time.
3 months later, still no correspondence on Discord, or the crowd funding sites, and Midlife Crisis is categorized as Abandoned as per the F95zone rules; however, his status is still online via Discord.
In May 2024, the Discord thread descends into silence from fans with the occasional conspiracy theories tossed about. And it appears someone tried calling him (not confirmed - as someone in the general thread said they tried calling him with no answer) via Discord. The next day, he is offline completely; no idle, no active, just gone.
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Yep, this is like those restaurants where you pay when you order and they ask for a tip before you've gotten any service!
Going to miss this one, been checking for updates for a while. I would have loved to have seen the mother join her daughters in sexy times. They teased it a bunch up until latest update, that and his sister with them... would have been fun. Kind of funny, even if she wasn't his daughter, I loved Jennifer the most.
- Aug 21, 2019
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Nothing compared to BlueCat though. 2 years later and still nothing and still has almost 150 people paying him.
He's getting like $120 a month from subscribestar alone and that's just 13 of those
This "calling" theory confuses me... doesn't he have the option to block "calls"?
How does "calling" work on Discord anyway? is it like calling out on a CB Radio or more like dropping a voice message on your answer machine? (I guess receiving a bunch of abusive answer machine messages could do it)
- Jul 8, 2017
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It's not a "theory". Someone in the thread tried calling him through Discord. They had asked the Discord moderator if he had called him, or heard anything from his personal email, and he said no. To which another user said he tried calling Nef on Discord, but he go no answer. The next day, Nefastus was completely logged off.
And it works like any other chat program that has a voice chat/call functionality.
Also, I am not going to assume he was receiving "abusive answer machine messages" (but knowing some of the people on that Discord channel I wouldn't doubt it), but if I were a developer, and someone crossed that line of anonymity and tried calling me, I would log off of Discord as well. That was fucking not cool.
I didn't question that someone called him, I questioned the theory that this is the reason he cut contact!
Telling me it works like any other chat program doesn't help me dude, I don't use chat programs, much less use one to call anyone, that's why I asked. I imagine it's like in-game voice chat, where if you speak and if nobody is listening... it's gone forever!, so if he mutes chat then it's like it never happened... But if it's persistent like a answer machine message that could be a different kettle of fish (particularly if you can't filter strangers who shouldn't be trying to call you from Friends and Family who should).
You seriously think logging off for someone crossing the line by trying to contact you is reasonable?... Can you elaborate why?
Is this is a better option than just Banning/Blocking the offending member? (it's your forum after all, if someone has to go it should be the other guy)
or removing talk privileges from people who shouldn't have it? (My limited experience with Discord has shown some forums block certain functionality unless you have a specific rank, it doesn't seem like a leap to imagine you can block "calls" from everyone who hasn't earned it)
I have to believe there are things that can be done, but maybe there are flaws in the system that removes these as a viable options... Hence the entire reason for my question.
BTW you mentioned that he gave an ETA on the next release, do you know if that was a "firm" ETA or a hopeful ETA, the last post from him that I recall mentioned that he was suffering from writers block (hence the dark route currently in the OP)... Writers Block can be a real bitch to get over and it never seems to go away for long (particularly if there is other drama going on in your life).
Again for clarity's sake this post is made purely to try clear up confusion, No judgment on anyone, No sarcasm or ill will, just seeking comprehension!
- Jul 8, 2017
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Hey, didn't mean to confuse you, compadre.
First part - Apologies, I should have clarified, but I am not sure the why/theory he cut contact. All I know is the day before he left, someone stated they called him.
Second - Sorry for assuming you had any other chat program; messenger, facetime, Discord, cellphone, but yes, you can make audio/voice calls via Discord like making a Telephone call. Someone simply said they tried to call him via Discord. I assume Nef on the other end either got the call via his phone, or PC, and was like "WTF?"
Third - Because of the anonymity. And because if one or two "fans" on a Discord try calling, more than likely more will try. If I were Developer behind an anonymous name to protect my privacy, and someone(s) called me from a Discord thread filled with people I don't actually know, instead of wasting my time blocking them all I would just log off to end all communication via any channel on Discord; whether it be messages, video call, or audio call.
Last - His usual ETAs were always just an incredibly vague "soon" or "almost done", or whatever. And long time fans knew that "soon" could either mean 3 days, 3 weeks, or 3 months. He never said, and I never said, there was an ETA. And with as long as he has been gone now, I would not hold your breath on a release anytime soon... but he could return and prove me wrong.
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- Sep 10, 2021
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I don't know why everybody talks about this sort of thing like it's the dev's fault. All those payments are 100 percent voluntary. If, after two years of nothing, someone still hasn't bothered to click "unsubscribe", that's entirely on them.
I know right, BlueCats merge was supposed to be done 3 and a half years ago. PenguinFuhrer is confused with the one "OH GOD THE SUBSCRIBERS ARE LEAVING" update he did a few years ago.
Still, there are some retards still paying BlueCat. That truly is on them. How fucking stupid can you be?
Edit: 4->3 misclick corrected.
- Apr 17, 2021
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Well, sort of isn't, but also sort of is....
A dev wanting to be 100% fair with the people backing them, in case they know they won't be able to work and update their project for a long or indefinite period of time, could suspend the payment until the time they're able to hop back on the project.
Quick and easy enough to do, and some people I do support have in fact done it, because they have some kind of morals, you know.
But well, you can also just "forget" about this possibility and, well, you get money every month so that's nice, right?
So I my view the fault goes both ways : the supporters who forget about their subscription or are willing to burn money for nothing, and the devs/creator that "forget" to put payements on hold while they're away from their project.
- Aug 21, 2019
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Has it been that long already? Damn. I just used the last "update" as reference to the time.
Either way, it is also "the dev's fault". Sure, it's the subs that are idiots in the first place, but an honest dev would either pause payments or shut it all down. Sadly that's not the world we live in though.
There are some exceptions of course, like Killer7 who has paused payments multiple times despite the shit they have gone through
- Sep 10, 2021
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I think tech jargon terminology these sites use confuses the issue. Take "backer" - it's a word otherwise used exclusively to refer to an early investor in a new commercial enterprise. There's a whole slew of implied obligations and rights that simply don't exist in this context.
What you're really doing is tossing money into a busker's hat. If they leave the hat behind and you keep putting money in it, that's entirely your affair.