As far as we know, yes. No one has heard anything from Nef for a worrisome amount of time now......Oh wtf, it got abandoned??
Just to catch you up, and anyone else who may have wandered in late, quick synopsis: Early December, Nef makes his last Patreon post stating the usual "update is almost done, and sorry for not communicating more" and disappearing shortly after.Oh wtf, it got abandoned??
Yep, this is like those restaurants where you pay when you order and they ask for a tip before you've gotten any service!Watching this, Summertime Saga, and Milfs City's developments has changed the way I support these devs. Instead of a monthly patreon/subscribestar contribution, I just donate 20-25 bucks when they actually release a build.
Nothing compared to BlueCat though. 2 years later and still nothing and still has almost 150 people paying him.Watching this, Summertime Saga, and Milfs City's developments has changed the way I support these devs. Instead of a monthly patreon/subscribestar contribution, I just donate 20-25 bucks when they actually release a build. We gotta stop rewarding people for no work and start rewarding progress instead. Too many games are falling into this bullshit.
This "calling" theory confuses me... doesn't he have the option to block "calls"?...
In May 2024, the Discord thread descends into silence from fans with the occasional conspiracy theories tossed about. And it appears someone tried calling him (not confirmed - as someone in the general thread said they tried calling him with no answer) via Discord. The next day, he is offline completely; no idle, no active, just gone.
It's not a "theory". Someone in the thread tried calling him through Discord. They had asked the Discord moderator if he had called him, or heard anything from his personal email, and he said no. To which another user said he tried calling Nef on Discord, but he go no answer. The next day, Nefastus was completely logged off.This "calling" theory confuses me... doesn't he have the option to block "calls"?
How does "calling" work on Discord anyway? is it like calling out on a CB Radio or more like dropping a voice message on your answer machine? (I guess receiving a bunch of abusive answer machine messages could do it)
I didn't question that someone called him, I questioned the theory that this is the reason he cut contact!It's not a "theory". Someone in the thread tried calling him through Discord. They had asked the Discord moderator if he had called him, or heard anything from his personal email, and he said no. To which another user said he tried calling Nef on Discord, but he go no answer. The next day, Nefastus was completely logged off.
And it works like any other chat program that has a voice chat/call functionality.
Also, I am not going to assume he was receiving "abusive answer machine messages" (but knowing some of the people on that Discord channel I wouldn't doubt it), but if I were a developer, and someone crossed that line of anonymity and tried calling me, I would log off of Discord as well. That was fucking not cool.
Hey, didn't mean to confuse you, compadre.I didn't question that someone called him, I questioned the theory that this is the reason he cut contact!
Telling me it works like any other chat program doesn't help me dude, I don't use chat programs, much less use one to call anyone, that's why I asked. I imagine it's like in-game voice chat, where if you speak and if nobody is listening... it's gone forever!, so if he mutes chat then it's like it never happened... But if it's persistent like a answer machine message that could be a different kettle of fish (particularly if you can't filter strangers who shouldn't be trying to call you from Friends and Family who should).
You seriously think logging off for someone crossing the line by trying to contact you is reasonable?... Can you elaborate why?
Is this is a better option than just Banning/Blocking the offending member? (it's your forum after all, if someone has to go it should be the other guy)
or removing talk privileges from people who shouldn't have it? (My limited experience with Discord has shown some forums block certain functionality unless you have a specific rank, it doesn't seem like a leap to imagine you can block "calls" from everyone who hasn't earned it)
I have to believe there are things that can be done, but maybe there are flaws in the system that removes these as a viable options... Hence the entire reason for my question.
BTW you mentioned that he gave an ETA on the next release, do you know if that was a "firm" ETA or a hopeful ETA, the last post from him that I recall mentioned that he was suffering from writers block (hence the dark route currently in the OP)... Writers Block can be a real bitch to get over and it never seems to go away for long (particularly if there is other drama going on in your life).
Again for clarity's sake this post is made purely to try clear up confusion, No judgment on anyone, No sarcasm or ill will, just seeking comprehension!
I don't know why everybody talks about this sort of thing like it's the dev's fault. All those payments are 100 percent voluntary. If, after two years of nothing, someone still hasn't bothered to click "unsubscribe", that's entirely on them.Nothing compared to BlueCat though. 2 years later and still nothing and still has almost 150 people paying him.
He's getting like $120 a month from subscribestar alone and that's just 13 of those
I don't know why everybody talks about this sort of thing like it's the dev's fault. All those payments are 100 percent voluntary. If, after two years of nothing, someone still hasn't bothered to click "unsubscribe", that's entirely on them.
Well, sort of isn't, but also sort of is....I don't know why everybody talks about this sort of thing like it's the dev's fault. All those payments are 100 percent voluntary. If, after two years of nothing, someone still hasn't bothered to click "unsubscribe", that's entirely on them.
I don't know why everybody talks about this sort of thing like it's the dev's fault. All those payments are 100 percent voluntary. If, after two years of nothing, someone still hasn't bothered to click "unsubscribe", that's entirely on them.
Has it been that long already? Damn. I just used the last "update" as reference to the time.I know right, BlueCats merge was supposed to be done 3 and a half years ago. PenguinFuhrer is confused with the one "OH GOD THE SUBSCRIBERS ARE LEAVING" update he did a few years ago.
Still, there are some retards still paying BlueCat. That truly is on them. How fucking stupid can you be?
Edit: 4->3 misclick corrected.
I think tech jargon terminology these sites use confuses the issue. Take "backer" - it's a word otherwise used exclusively to refer to an early investor in a new commercial enterprise. There's a whole slew of implied obligations and rights that simply don't exist in this context.Well, sort of isn't, but also sort of is....
A dev wanting to be 100% fair with the people backing them, in case they know they won't be able to work and update their project for a long or indefinite period of time, could suspend the payment until the time they're able to hop back on the project.
Quick and easy enough to do, and some people I do support have in fact done it, because they have some kind of morals, you know.
But well, you can also just "forget" about this possibility and, well, you get money every month so that's nice, right?
So I my view the fault goes both ways : the supporters who forget about their subscription or are willing to burn money for nothing, and the devs/creator that "forget" to put payements on hold while they're away from their project.