Ren'Py Completed Midnight Paradise [v1.0f Extra] [Lewdlab]

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if u or any other think this dev is a liar or a non profesional dev, be my guest but u have no idea just how fucking wrong you are .
Anyone that come bitching here should be either new or hit in the brain to think he is bs his patreons or milking them....
(also take into note that fucking unity is a piece of garbage and sometimes it messes games if u are new in coding unity...)

Of course its unprofessional, he's easily making over 5k a month. I understand that it must be hard to create games ( I don't know anything about that), but giving an estimated release and then pushing it back one,two, and even three weeks just to get his monthly check seems kinda harsh for the people who support and believe in him. And as for the Unity engine that you mentioned, no point in switching from Ren'py. DoD was Ren'py and it was one of the greatest games i've played, so why try to fix something that isn't broken.
p.s: no need for profanity buddy

 

[1tricksony]

It is good to note that even before and at the prime of DOD, he was always consistent with deadilnes and with good updates and then he slowly started missing deadlines by a day or two and then a bit more, so as he mentioned it is totally acceptable that we see this other part of him, out of exhaustion or especially if he indeed has real life problems regardless if that is a so called trend here, but I still think he is not honest or straight up enough and just keeps scratching off the expected release date and adds a new one just to do that again on the next calendar date instead of fixing the problem, which ultimately is not healthy for his community, whether that be patreons or pirates, or the anxiety snowball that is building up against himself. However I am honestly not monetarily supporting him at this moment, so he might be more active and talkative on his Discord, but as there are no leaks on any info from it whilist being the lowest Tier, I doubt so.

It is also good to note that he had the best render quality (at least my opinion) visual novel game and he had around the $3k per month mark for months, that number reached $25000 before he set it up private, if he did not scale up his spendings on quality empoyees, and sure I want him and only him to do the renders, but I would judge him and call him greedy if he did not invest more money in any way possible to gain even a minimal time boost - but this is all speculation right now so I cannot comment.

For his current statement on the other hand:

It is, he missed his deadline again and before you even try to correct me the week ends on saturday. The first day of every week is always sunday

By ISO 8601, the first day of the week is Monday.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

Of course its unprofessional, he's easily making over 5k a month. I understand that it must be hard to create games ( I don't know anything about that), but giving an estimated release and then pushing it back one,two, and even three weeks just to get his monthly check seems kinda harsh for the people who support and believe in him. And as for the Unity engine that you mentioned, no point in switching from Ren'py. DoD was Ren'py and it was one of the greatest games i've played, so why try to fix something that isn't broken.
p.s: no need for profanity buddy

so because he makes a 5k he cant never ever make mistakes or delay a update because like the God he is he cant never make a mistake.....only humans make mistakes....
you know your argument is the most unreasonable i have ever Heard in all my life, and i have been playing games for a decade now lol. Renpy as lovely it is make some games be way too restricted in features thats why he changed but since you did not take the time to read you may not even now that....

I think that the main issue is inconsistency. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on LeBron James and the Lakers. In general we all work 10-12 hours a day and based on my experience working on Daz, Amazon and having my own company now this cant take so long. I think that Lewdlab is one of the 3-4 developers in this forum that can actually think big, corporate big, but we need results. Except from the 3d content, which is great, the story is something like 3-4 days of work for a developer that knows what he is doing. Lets hope he delivers something playable this time

first off, the updates of lewdlab are not the same as other devs, he is doing pretty skilled renders and animations... that takes more time than your average dev update, also he always make decent updates .
You guys keep saying he is milking, bs, fooling people but the point of a ETA is always a estimated time and never a release date, keep that in mind.

 

[Hyped]

What to do with his money, the author decides for himself, after all it's his money and not yours, you could make such suggestions if some of this money were yours if you were a patron for example, but you are like me pirate of the internet ocean as far as I can see.

Regarding why he doesn't hire people to his team, I do not know him personally so I can not judge it, as most likely you, you do not know what his life situation is, maybe he has very good reasons not to hire more people, for example, payment of loans or something else like that.

I am not saying that it is necessary to allow that the author of this or other game would not fulfill his obligations which he imposes on himself when taking someone else's money, you just need to take into account that they are people too and they may also have difficulties.

LewdLab who's made between half a million to a million dollars in two years can do what he wants with his Lambos and beach houses. I'm pro capitalism all the way, was merely making a suggestion. There is no way we can force our opinions on the dev.
But the dev needs to stop pulling the victim card.

A dev of this size and influence however should form a team and treat it like a business. There needs to be a sense of accountability, and not have a single point of failure as is currently structured. Imagine a CEO using depression or sickness as an excuse.

As @1tricksony and @Yiannis Vergos mentioned, inconsistency often turns into a slippery slope. There's less incentive for him to stick to his deadlines next time around.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

inconsistency often turns into a slippery slope. There's less incentive for him to stick to his deadlines next time around.

there is no inconsistency, he never said released date, he said ETA, estimated.
And there is no deadlines as long the ones who paid for the updates get the update

also did you take a look how much does it cost the daz3d models,clothes etc? you guys keep looking at the low view.

 

[BigBrotherrrr]

first off dont doublé post because there is a rule for it, use edit button and second if any mensagge is deleted is either against the rules of this site or pointless .

I don't know, seemed like the usual messages.

 

[muttdoggy]

Stop discussing the off topic talk about patreon, release date, and if he will or if he won't.Talk about Midnight Paradise and only Midnight Paradise here. Topics covered in the warning will be deleted without notice and talkbacks or repeat offenders can face warnings and thread bans.
Choose your topic wisely.

 

[Hyped]

there is no inconsistency, he never said released date, he said ETA, estimated.
And there is no deadlines as long the ones who paid for the updates get the update

also did you take a look how much does it cost the daz3d models,clothes etc? you guys keep looking at the low view.

Let's just say he's revised his ETAs multiple times for the first release and the second. He may have had good reasons for it though.
Asset costs are likely to be less than 5% of his monthly earnings.

I was hoping to become a patron of his again after the MP demo, but I now feel bad for the 3000 patrons who've been investing in MP for about 6 months now. A game that has no clear direction, with abysmal communication from the dev.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

Asset costs are likely to be less than 5% of his monthly earnings.

u will be surprised how much some things cost...
for example some lingerie can cost the same or more than the real thing

 

[Alexinho77]

It is good to note that even before and at the prime of DOD, he was always consistent with deadilnes and with good updates and then he slowly started missing deadlines by a day or two and then a bit more, so as he mentioned it is totally acceptable that we see this other part of him, out of exhaustion or especially if he indeed has real life problems regardless if that is a so called trend here, but I still think he is not honest or straight up enough and just keeps scratching off the expected release date and adds a new one just to do that again on the next calendar date instead of fixing the problem, which ultimately is not healthy for his community, whether that be patreons or pirates, or the anxiety snowball that is building up against himself. However I am honestly not monetarily supporting him at this moment, so he might be more active and talkative on his Discord, but as there are no leaks on any info from it whilist being the lowest Tier, I doubt so.

It is also good to note that he had the best render quality (at least my opinion) visual novel game and he had around the $3k per month mark for months, that number reached $25000 before he set it up private, if he did not scale up his spendings on quality empoyees, and sure I want him and only him to do the renders, but I would judge him and call him greedy if he did not invest more money in any way possible to gain even a minimal time boost - but this is all speculation right now so I cannot comment.

For his current statement on the other hand:




By ISO 8601, the first day of the week is Monday.

Apparently you suck at google because if you would’ve read on it says, “but in the US, Canada, and Japan it's counted as the second day of the week. Monday comes after Sunday and before Tuesday in our modern day Gregorian Calendar.”

Just because you can copy and paste doesn’t mean you know something

 

[spar]

I decide to wright my comment after seen a lot of them, this designer Dr Sin according my thought do the mistake to stop
DOD without having a new story already tested and ready to published and he should have minimum three episodes ready
to publish to have the time to correct everything appear , he should give rendering editing scripting to a another person
and keep his supporters while with two coders to have the time to prepare the next step, he could watch the progress of DOD
and same time working on something else, my knowledge is on networks and never change something until I know it's better
I think he should stop Midnight Paradise for good because in the next updates could happen the same. Also with the way he stop
DOD with pregnancy of every female he can't go back

If I remember correctly, I was working on the idea of Midnight Paradise while I was finishing developing the DOD. This is not confirmed. I would have to read the DOD development news to confirm.

Apart Midnight Paradise is a game with potential for attractive girls, which with a good ejection can be very well exploited.

From my point of view, the problem of Midnight Paradise is the developer, that is not well executed development.

 

[cold_arctus]

also take into note that fucking unity is a piece of garbage

Not true. Unity requires two things: an (good) engine and (good) coding skills. Without them your game will turn into a piece of shit. Ren'Py can be a piece of shit too, if the code is horrible.

no point in switching from Ren'py.

There were several reason for him to switch from Ren'Py to Unity (explained in the old Midnight Paradise thread).

But unfortunately he underestimated the set of skills required for Unity. A pre-build engine will never be as good as your own engine (e. g. for good (own) engines used in Unity by Man of the House and Timestamps). [There might be more Games using there own engine in Unity - but I haven't played them.]

Apparently you suck at google because if you would’ve read on it says, “but in the US, Canada, and Japan it's counted as the second day of the week. Monday comes after Sunday and before Tuesday in our modern day Gregorian Calendar.”

Just because you can copy and paste doesn’t mean you know something

Definitions:
a) If he is from EU, an European country, Asia or Oceania, the first day of the week will be Monday according to ISO-8601.

b) If he is from Middle Eastern, the first day of the week will be Saturday.

c) If he is from North/South America or an Islamic country, the first day of the week will be Sunday.

Without knowing it for certain, but having the feeling that he is from Europe, I tent do go by definition a).

Does someone know where Dr. Sin / Lewdlab is from?

 

[Deleted member 396172]

i think he got a plan for DOD in future , and we wanted to start a new fresh game midnight paradise; i dont knw why he used unity steed of renpy , and the delay problem , its no a good start just saying , i knw this developer when he do an update it's worth it , but when u business grow u need a team .

 

[cold_arctus]

i dont knw why he used unity steed of renpy

Back in DoD he tried to add a stat-system to the game, which did not work. As mentioned before, Ren'Py can be very restrictive in coding, if you don't know what you are doing.

I think he tries to add a stat-system similar to MotH. Knowing that Faerin use his own engine in Unity for MotH, I can tell you, that it was not an easy task to built it. Faerin also mentioned that he would ditch the mood system (hunger, sleep, hygiene), if he could start allover again.

 

[Myself101]

Back in DoD he tried to add a stat-system to the game, which did not work. As mentioned before, Ren'Py can be very restrictive in coding, if you don't know what you are doing.

I think he tries to add a stat-system similar to MotH. Knowing that Faerin use his own engine in Unity for MotH, I can tell you, that it was not an easy task to built it. Faerin also mentioned that he would ditch the mood system (hunger, sleep, hygiene), if he could start allover again.

Given the Story so far

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I guess that the stat System is more likely to revolve around that. I have a Feeling that most Devs in this space don't have a Background in Software development and start out coming from the side of renders and perhaps Story. That's likely for the best but it also means that they face quite a challenge when they become more ambitious and veer of the welltrodden VN path for which Renpy was built.

I personally think it's great if devs who've completed games before try to take it a step further with the next one. They'll likely run into more bumps in the road when doing it that way but if it leads to a more interesting end product I'm all for it.

 

[cold_arctus]

I have a Feeling that most Devs in this space don't have a Background in Software development and start out coming from the side of renders and perhaps Story

You are absolute correct about that. There are not many devs, who can create amazing renders and code at the same time. Either you are good at creating renders (like Dr. Sin/Lewdlab, Stober, Motkeyz, PhillyGames, DarkCookie(?) etc) or at coding (like Faerin, Aesouh).

 

[Billi.bolli]

Why didn't Dr Sin implimented the Teaser car-driving scene in the game? In my Opionion it would have fitted quite nicely.

 

[cold_arctus]

Why didn't Dr Sin implimented the Teaser car-driving scene in the game? In my Opionion it would have fitted quite nicely.

This might be true, but does it add anything to the story? If not, it is useless and should not be added.

This is how management or production (car production for example) works.

 

[Canto Forte]

This is a good game -- with a lot of stats and good blank situations for the characters involved. Right now it could co every which way - tomcruz movie like topgun or impossible missions - leodicaprio movies with the antihero plowing through the elements/enemies ... or a jack sparrow movie where the other characters have their way with the MC.

Happy gaming!

 

[goobdoob]

Back in DoD he tried to add a stat-system to the game, which did not work. As mentioned before, Ren'Py can be very restrictive in coding, if you don't know what you are doing.

I think he tries to add a stat-system similar to MotH. Knowing that Faerin use his own engine in Unity for MotH, I can tell you, that it was not an easy task to built it. Faerin also mentioned that he would ditch the mood system (hunger, sleep, hygiene), if he could start allover again.

Stat systems are easy to do in Ren'Py. Really, stats are just numbers, and Python does numbers really well. Just look at Sakura Dungeon if you think you can't do a game with combat and a stat system.

My guess is he went down the Dark Silver anti-piracy path, and thought that he could limit piracy by switching to Unity. Now it's blowing up in his face because he (or his team) has to implement a ton of stuff that he'd get for free if he stayed with Ren'Py. And judging how quickly BB got cracked on release, it won't help. IMO, even a dedicated VN engine like VNGINE is worse at this kind of thing than Ren'Py. I really like Timestamps, but nothing I've seen convinces me that Unity is a better choice for it than Ren'Py.

I'll put this out there - I'm a damn sight better coder than the jokers Dr. Sin has working on MP, and if I were doing MP I'd do it in Ren'Py.

No, I'm not Renpytom!