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I want to clarify something.
1. To people who love to shut everyone who is not a patron up. The game here is free to download, so rather you are his patron or not doesn't matter here.
2. To people who say art takes time. What kind of art are we talking about rendering scenes that can speed up by adding some new GPUs, choosing clothes from a list of assets, creating animations also uses GPU. Or moving some sliders you consider art?

This game is his job now. Don't you guys know your productivity when it comes to your job? Most of us do know. I remember the time people suggested him to change his workflow, it was in August 2018 I believe. The main idea was to send renders in small batches to the writer(Onyxdime). What happened after that? He left with 600 ready renders of everyone's favorite Caroline Onyxdime's post. Was he that sick that he couldn't take some 1-2 hours to send them to Onyxdime and explain what to do with them? As a result, we have one month delay for each upcoming updates "if everything goes smoothly"(c)Icstor.
Simply food for thought. In addition, renders went up from 1100-2000 in August. Now I believe he is working his ass off.

"With respect to my slice of the development pie; I'll probably have the entirety of the writing accomplished within the week"(c)Onyxdime.
To his protector, before you start writing, I wouldn't expect nothing less from not parton. Once I was, but not anymore.
 

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And another entitled person who clearly knows nothing about how rendering images work but somehow believe his uninformed opinion should be heard. Why i am not surprised?:sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:
I think it's an industry of sorts. Is it an industry? I hope someone is making profit off it, at least.

Otherwise, it would all be such wasted bytes!

Meanwhile, we're at 95% and I hope things are not hitting weird snags. I don't expect the greatest release in adult gaming history, but seems like it will be interesting to try out.
 
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1. To people who love to shut everyone who is not a patron up. The game here is free to download, so rather you are his patron or not doesn't matter here.
I used to believe this until recently as well. Icstor actually charges a 10 dollar level to download the game. It is free here because it is pirated. He only releases a limited free version. This is clearly a pirate site. Any mention of monetary support as criteria for anything seems ludicrous at best.
 

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And another entitled person who clearly knows nothing about how rendering images work but somehow believe his uninformed opinion should be heard. Why i am not surprised?:sneaky::sneaky::sneaky:
I would say he understands it pretty well. It is just that he clearly has no respect for this as "art". Icstor has not created any heads, bodies, clothing or locations in a 3D program. He is just using stock assets which include poses. I think he is good with photoshop or post-processing which set his images apart. But I am not sure I would call what he does as art, personally. If you consider porn as art I guess this qualifies as art.

No shade intended at all, but what makes his opinion any less informed than yours? Do you have your own game or any professional experience?
 

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I would say he understands it pretty well. It is just that he clearly has no respect for this as "art". Icstor has not created any heads, bodies, clothing or locations in a 3D program. He is just using stock assets which include poses. I think he is good with photoshop or post-processing which set his images apart. But I am not sure I would call what he does as art, personally. If you consider porn as art I guess this qualifies as art.

No shade intended at all, but what makes his opinion any less informed than yours? Do you have your own game or any professional experience?
Leaving the art definitions aside.
No i don't have my own game but i did read some information about rendering from people who do have and/or knows about it.

Just doing one render can take some time from a few minutes to a few hours depending on the hardware involved and the type of scene being done. Usually sex scenes are the ones who take more time to render since they need to be more the realistic possible. With 2000 renders you can imagine it would likely take several weeks of pc working non stopping to get the images ready.

Also you can't just slap one video card on top of other and expect faster rendering times. for iRay rendering the memory of the cards is not combined, the one with the smaller ram will be a cap for the size of the scenes that can be rendered. So you would either need cards with similar memory size or the same model.
 
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English class, Duh!
So have you done your homework?
It can't be considered an English class when the teacher doesn't possess the knowledge to educate students in their own words and has to rely on quoting the dictionary or an online source for their material. That to me shows the teacher is the one in need of educating, too.
 

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Post 0.6 (which won't much bigger than a regular update), ICSTOR will rush the rest of the game, like he did it with his previous 2 games, and he will release a new game at the end of the first quarter of 2020. You've heard it here first.
Not the best way to go about things if he was to release another game I mean honestly if this did end up getting rushed after all the delays, would anyone actually bother with any future games of his? It would be a hard sell that's for sure.
 
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How you people can be so sure that someone who criticizes him doesn't have any idea about rendering and also haven't created any game. How:confused:?
Everything written above is the facts.
Rendering or image synthesis is the automatic process of generating a or image from a or (or models in what collectively could be called a scene file) by means of .
Fewer objects, faster render time, simple as that.

Leaving the art definitions aside.
No i don't have my own game but i did read some information about rendering from people who do have and/or knows about it.

Just doing one render can take some time from a few minutes to a few hours depending on the hardware involved and the type of scene being done. Usually sex scenes are the ones who take more time to render since they need to be more the realistic possible. With 2000 renders you can imagine it would likely take several weeks of pc working non stopping to get the images ready.
I don't disagree that sex scenes or any other heavy filled with the objects scenes take more time to render. I just want to point out how did he manage to jump from 1100-2000 in one month when his working rig hasn't changed. And based on what you've said these 900 renders are probably Caroline lying on the couch or Celia masturbating on camera?

Also you can't just slap one video card on top of other and expect faster rendering times. for iRay rendering the memory of the cards is not combined, the one with the smaller ram will be a cap for the size of the scenes that can be rendered. So you would either need cards with similar memory size or the same model.
I didn't know about these subtleties of iRay/
fyi, Icstor has 11 GTX 1080ti and 5-6 RTX 2080 ti.
 
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Not the best way to go about things if he was to release another game I mean honestly if this did end up getting rushed after all the delays, would anyone actually bother with any future games of his? It would be a hard sell that's for sure.
And taking a break mid-development, was a best way to go about things? What about, deciding to add on to the already heavily delayed update, thus delaying it even further? Clearly, ICSTOR isn't about going the best way about things.
And it's literally what happened with his last two games.
 

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How you people can be so sure that someone who criticizes him doesn't have any idea about rendering and also haven't created any game. How:confused:?
Everything written above is the facts.
Rendering or image synthesis is the automatic process of generating a or image from a or (or models in what collectively could be called a scene file) by means of .
Fewer objects, faster render time, simple as that.



I don't disagree that sex scenes or any other heavy filled with the objects scenes take more time to render. I just want to point out how did he manage to jump from 1100-2000 in one month when his working rig hasn't changed. And based on what you've said these 900 renders are probably Caroline lying on the couch or Celia masturbating on camera?


I didn't know about these subtleties of iRay/
fyi, Icstor has 11 GTX 1080ti and 5-6 RTX 2080 ti.
Tetya_Shura -- Don't bother/mind them, especially fried_ 'The White Knight' of the ICSTOR's round table, competing with Lancelot. They'll always shut down honest criticism towards ICSTOR, as if their lives depended on it.

Won't be far now, hopefully we'd enjoy the update and it lives up to the hype.
 

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Post 0.6 (which won't much bigger than a regular update), ICSTOR will rush the rest of the game, like he did it with his previous 2 games, and he will release a new game at the end of the first quarter of 2020. You've heard it here first.
Sensei, since you know so much... Tomorrow im finally taking a shower.. Are there any dangers ahead?
 

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How you people can be so sure that someone who criticizes him doesn't have any idea about rendering and also haven't created any game. How:confused:?
Everything written above is the facts.
If we're debating something, I tend to have issues with subjective statements offered as facts - not the facts themselves.

(And if that means I'm called a "White Knight" for not piling on to the outrage train instead of trying to look at things objectively, eh don't care.)

Was he that sick that he couldn't take some 1-2 hours to send them to Onyxdime and explain what to do with them?
This is still shaming someone for getting burned out, essentially: having hit walls at work myself (normally putting in 70+ hour weeks), I can offer that after hitting that point the ability to concentrate at your same level of consideration, detail and even caring can be greatly reduced. That experience is what's informed my sympathy for ICSTOR's situation more than anything else.

So, you seem to be assuming that the Dev didn't perform to your expected level of type of project management after hitting their own limit of endurance. It also assumes that ICSTOR was committed to a new process, which may or may not have been attempted despite better intentions - we don't know. So, this is all subjective process critique on your part, i.e., armchair quarterbacking.

It's fine to offer ideas that could work more efficiently - i.e., render smaller batches for the writer to handle - but, given the burnout situation and the fact that we don't know if that eventually felt like something ICSTOR was comfortable doing (e.g., maybe he goes back and re-renders some scene elements based on new ideas that come up later in his process, so he wants to wait for more writing until then), unless he says what seems realistic to attempt now and going forward I think it's hard for us to assume we know his priorities on working the process any differently by this point.

I didn't know about these subtleties of iRay/
fyi, Icstor has 11 GTX 1080ti and 5-6 RTX 2080 ti.
Honestly, I feel those are less subtleties of Iray in Daz and more fundamental constraints: you can't let a scene go beyond the limit of your smallest card used in a shared GPU render, otherwise it gets sent to the slower CPU to use its RAM (which hopefully is enough, otherwise you're stuck.)
 
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