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I've repeatedly posted in support of ICSTOR in this thread, even got a little heated from time to time, but I'm not one to defend devs blindly, just because I like their games.
The guy has lost a lot of credit witn me for what he pulled with this update.

I think it will hurt him, because no way can the update provide anything that makes up for almost 10 months without an update.
And even if you don't count the months he was on hiatus, by now it's just fucking ridiculous how long this takes.
He clearly doesn't want to work on this game any more, which tbh is a pattern we have seen with him a few times already, where he would finish a game with a half-assed last update.
If not this update, then the next one will probably be the last one.
I don't wanna defend the dev nor I want to be rude , but clearly you just don't know how hard it is to create a game , I am game designer my self and even I have team and we are doing this full time for living. it takes us 4 months to create a sand box game like this with roughly 30 min game play.

from point of a player everything is easy , he just picks up a model doing some computer stuff and then BAAAM we have cool game.

but keep in mind for 1 single image ( Render ) that you see in this he usees , Daz , maya and photoshop and trust me I am animating for almost 2 years now and this stuff takes a tons of time to get done,

i don't want to mention , other things such as writing , coding and creating overall a good game balance

also keep in mind he can't just do this job as full time job, for me yea it is easy , 8 am to 2 pm or even more but he can't just do this openly ,

like say hey everyone I am doing porn game you are very welcomed to watch naked lady on my monitor, long story short he is doing his best as dev to give us a update

he clearly loves to do porn games , because with his skills he can earn way way more money and repetition in a bigger studio

so chillout go play some other games and enjoy it once you you have the update .
 

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I've repeatedly posted in support of ICSTOR in this thread, even got a little heated from time to time, but I'm not one to defend devs blindly, just because I like their games.
The guy has lost a lot of credit witn me for what he pulled with this update.

I think it will hurt him, because no way can the update provide anything that makes up for almost 10 months without an update.
And even if you don't count the months he was on hiatus, by now it's just fucking ridiculous how long this takes.
He clearly doesn't want to work on this game any more, which tbh is a pattern we have seen with him a few times already, where he would finish a game with a half-assed last update.
If not this update, then the next one will probably be the last one.
I think the problem of most games is that the current technology (Daz3d) is too time consuming. A game needs many years to take shape using theses tools and it's insane. It will remain like that until there is a newever tech.
I gotta disagree with that. It's all about how people utilize what they have. And that goes for anything. Look at Star Citizen as an extreme example. They have a game that is super buggy and has problems running because of poor utilization. I think the thing that makes some devs on here take longer is not utilizing the tools they have. If I had the money, I would update my comp to better support rendering and allow me to pump out stuff faster, rather than having to find shortcuts. Enough money, I would get a computer solely dedicated to rendering.
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If he want to continue make porn games,he definitely can't finish the game suddenly like he did with IC 2 and MV.Especially Milf's Villa was with one of the stupidest ending we have-MC finaly was fucking his mom and sister and the game ends less than a minute later.
DAZ is the golden standard precisely because dev had huge updates in the past and never slowed a bit.

Becoming a major game provider brings the perks and the nauseating task of doing events and publicity.

Dev just had a falling out with this here whole game shtick ... no problem ... there are enough holding the candle for veq or other IRL disasters trying to compensate by being stars in the shadows of gaming indie universe. Some day these men children might grow up and become real pros ---
or not;)!
 
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DAZ is the golden standard precisely because dev had huge updates in the past and never slowed a bit.
You forgot free and the market place.
Becoming a major game provider brings the perks and the nauseating task of doing events and publicity.
1 is optional, the other can be done with small amounts of money. "Events" aren't a necessary and Publicity is all about public relations. 6 months with out updates should mean death of the support.
Dev just had a falling out with this here whole game shtick ... no problem ... there are enough holding the candle for veq or other IRL disasters trying to compensate by being stars in the shadows of gaming indie universe. Some day these men children might grow up and become real pros ---
or not;)!
Why do people always resort to "yeah, but this IRL thing". It has nothing to do with the subject at hand. And why do people always resort to "Man children" as an insult. It just makes it look like the person saying it has no good opinion.
 

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That is no insult for your information .. it is reality and the fact of acting like a child brings on the term man child -> about the actions that are childish ... if he is no man child, this is deliberate and has no excuse. Should he be a child in the gaming arena and just in here playing out his fantasy of stiffing other kid like gamers ... we should totally relate ... dev is too relaxed around the gaming community to give a render about what we all think and / or do about and with his games.
 

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That is no insult for your information .. it is reality and the fact of acting like a child brings on the term man child -> about the actions that are childish ... if he is no man child, this is deliberate and has no excuse. Should he be a child in the gaming arena and just in here playing out his fantasy of stiffing other kid like gamers ... we should totally relate ... dev is too relaxed around the gaming community to give a render about what we all think and / or do about and with his games.
And what makes him a non man child in your opinion? Coming here and telling everyone his plans/update schedule? Releasing less content at a faster rate? Making only serious games for serious people? I may not like the guys work ethic or the time it takes to update, but I don't call him a manchild for it. But apply all of those traits to other devs, and you have AAA studios that are "man children".
 
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Canto Forte

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Nobody is topping you or icstor from doing just that.
If there is no time ... there is no business ... victory needs preparation ... just like it was written on the gun from some movie ... quick and dirty hobby turned profession no strings attached game development is called indie ... just like them native americans ... raiding each other's camps, railing the women and children, raiding the supplies, then back to their happy life like nothing happened.
That is the exact life / work ethic vikings had and all them tribes conceivable in mankind's history.

That is still going strong in africa and south america deep in them protected habitats => tribes use other tribes as a grocery store => raping and pillaging as their work ethic.

Thinking of games like that is just childish but alas indie developers amass in huge numbers to pretend they mean business.
 

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What? It's the most common scenario with younger sister characters in most games.

Usually it looks like that in incest games:

Mother characters - You are perving on them and slowly turn them to be into you more and more

Older sister characters - Most of the time they're bitchy and really don't treat well MC's

Young sis characters - Usually the first ones that you dick down because they're always written to be innocent and into their brothers so easily.

Me taking a shower is more unique than the young sis scenarios. :rolleyes:
blame icstors bad writing and lack of creativity. Imo Sara needs the Shanlon treatment.
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That there is a kink in them broken dreamers habitat ... could be something in the air, shanlon is no sara though ... MC needs to correct that ... given icstor still has the fire for this game ...
 

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And what makes him a non man child in your opinion? Coming here and telling everyone his plans/update schedule? Releasing less content at a faster rate? Making only serious games for serious people? I may not like the guys work ethic or the time it takes to update, but I don't call him a manchild for it. But apply all of those traits to other devs, and you have AAA studios that are "man children".
while I think the same on most of it
But apply all of those traits to other devs, and you have AAA studios that are "man children".
Well AAA is pretty much what I'd call the prime idea of a man child... reap hords of money by turning your community into addicts.
There is no need for new content, Updates or balanceing with that method too.
 

Canto Forte

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Then just offer up your virginity right now to your god icstor and be done with it ... you might get that update out faster ;)!!!
In other kinks ::
Which game is this from?
That there is a kink in them broken dreamers habitat ... could be something in the air, shanlon is no sara though ... MC needs to correct that ... given icstor still has the fire for this game ...
 

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I don't wanna defend the dev nor I want to be rude , but clearly you just don't know how hard it is to create a game , I am game designer my self and even I have team and we are doing this full time for living. it takes us 4 months to create a sand box game like this with roughly 30 min game play.

from point of a player everything is easy , he just picks up a model doing some computer stuff and then BAAAM we have cool game.

but keep in mind for 1 single image ( Render ) that you see in this he usees , Daz , maya and photoshop and trust me I am animating for almost 2 years now and this stuff takes a tons of time to get done,

i don't want to mention , other things such as writing , coding and creating overall a good game balance

also keep in mind he can't just do this job as full time job, for me yea it is easy , 8 am to 2 pm or even more but he can't just do this openly ,

like say hey everyone I am doing porn game you are very welcomed to watch naked lady on my monitor, long story short he is doing his best as dev to give us a update

he clearly loves to do porn games , because with his skills he can earn way way more money and repetition in a bigger studio

so chillout go play some other games and enjoy it once you you have the update .
Sorry, but this is a load of crap.
Why should he not be able to work this as a regular job?
He can easily work at home and it's not like he has to wear a sweater stating "I develop incest porn games" on the chest, every time he goes out.
ICSTORE earns a lot of money, he could hire a team if he wanted to, he has also done this for years and exactly due to that you should expect professionalism from him.
And yet he has repeatedly half-assed the endings to his games, when he lost the motivation for them.

Do I understand how and why this could happen? Yes, of course, but that doesn't excuse it happening.
He wanted to take a break for 2 months, by his own accord he returned to the game afterwards and started to charge for it again.
And yet 10 month's later there's still no new update. Like I wrote in my previous post, I've defended him here several times, pointed out his reasoning for further delays, argued against him being a milker or a fraud, but at some point it's just enough and simply not so easy to excuse any more.

Now, ICSTOR is quite good in rendering and working with daz, his writing is also okay, but it ends there. I'm not sure that creating ren'py or RPGM games does automatically qualify you to work for a professional developer studio.

Also, I don't have to chill out, I'm not angry, I am simply disappointed and your condescending defence a la "you're no dev, you don't know how hard it is." isn't gonna change that.
We are talking about an update that should supposedly take 1-2 months taking more than 8 months, can you seriously tell me that this is acceptable for his patrons who pay him money each month and that anything of what you wrote is a valid defence against drawing out your work like that?


Edited to add: Look, I don't want to bust this guy's balls. I hope I'm wrong and he finishes Milfy City in a way worthy for the quality of the game up to now and I would be very pleased if the update was so good that no patron would feel the need to complain.
There are many reasons I can easily accept for updates to take more time, to miss the set dates etc.. but after you've accepted 2-3 explanations and yet the update still keeps being pushed back, there comes a time, when it's just not plausible any longer. And again, we are not talking weeks here, we are talking months and not for a complete game, but a single update.
 
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Evangelion-01

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do people really think icstor has good writing? to me this game is just big brother with more attractive characters
He writes in a fluent and understandable english (not engrish as most VN games these days).
He has a good mix of jokes, sarcasm and serious times.
Maybe his writing won't earn him a pulitzer, but compareing with other games his writing is in the Top...
You can consider that sad in regards to the overall quality... but it's still a trueth.
 
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