vks017

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We know that if Icstor has a finished product, he'll delay the release as long as the core patrons don't mind or patron numbers are stable. And that's about it. So basically we're back to not really knowing anything except not paying for the game. But then the same applies to all other content creators. There is no real basis for building trust or anything else with online strangers you cannot meaningfully hold to account legally or otherwise (unless you go viral on twitter or whatever). At best you become friends with a dev and chat with them occasionally. But the creator-supporter "relationship" is an illusion.
Ok fair enough. We can agree finally. Lol.
 

Jeansjaulet03

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I liked the game, although I noticed some details, on the one hand in the intro is mentioned that you can decide to skip routes if you do not want to take them, but the dialogues of several conversations are not modified and behave as if all routes occur which contributes to know that in the canon happens like that, but ruins the personal experience.
P.D: In a very personal way I think that the game world lacks life since important facts are mentioned such as Caroline having a time limit to pay her debts, or Sara having to pass her subjects, although there are no exact dates in the game there is the idea of the passage of time, so I think it would be good that if we do not take a route the mention of the same in others is to know how it progresses without our participation and so we could have new versions of the same and perhaps new characters to participate in it (very smoked I know).
 

kumenl0l

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I liked the game, although I noticed some details, on the one hand in the intro is mentioned that you can decide to skip routes if you do not want to take them, but the dialogues of several conversations are not modified and behave as if all routes occur which contributes to know that in the canon happens like that, but ruins the personal experience.
P.D: In a very personal way I think that the game world lacks life since important facts are mentioned such as Caroline having a time limit to pay her debts, or Sara having to pass her subjects, although there are no exact dates in the game there is the idea of the passage of time, so I think it would be good that if we do not take a route the mention of the same in others is to know how it progresses without our participation and so we could have new versions of the same and perhaps new characters to participate in it (very smoked I know).
oh honey, my sweet summer child
 

septacycell

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It's an interesting theory that he's got though.

For argument sake, assume Icstor has a finished product ready. What incentive would he have to release it? His patreons would no longer need to support him unless he started a new project. While, at the moment, he's making an easy living, doing fuck all.

If I was in his situation, I'll let it linger for as long as humanly possible, and get as much cash as possible from those idiots, god knows they deserve to be milked at this point.
I think Patreon is supposed to be a tool to support an artist and allow him/her to reach a wider audience, making videogames is an artistic endeavor, ICSTOR has the luck of having a niche that is willing to fund him, making money off porn is never a safe bet, look at Playboy going on and off about having nudity to reach a wider audience, ILLUSION arguably the biggest 3D smut making company in Japan is dead.
What ICSTOR is supposed to be doing, is something he enjoys, writing stories about incest with nice looking characters, at his own pace, with the kinks he chose, and he was lucky to find a lot of people that would throw money at him.

Your job doesn't have to be your life but when it such a large chunk of it, it should be ideally something that makes you happy or at least gives you new skills I think.

In this case it was writing, rendering and a bit of programming with RENPY, that's at least 3 skills that he can hone while doing something he can enjoy to a community that chose to follow him, meaning he could engage with people who like him.

He is in this position again, by luck, where he chose to forfeit his work, ignore his community, and still get money, but what did he lose? He gained resentment, hatred, alienation, lost many supporters and in the meantime his skills probably remained static, he did have to rely on an external writer too, so he chose stagnation, I don't think in the long term is the sort of path that will give him happyness.

The damocle's sword, whatever makes up his conscience will still tower over him I think. Maybe just a tiny prick.
 
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I think Patreon is supposed to be a tool to support an artist and allow him/her to reach a wider audience, making videogames is an artistic endeavor, ICSTOR has the luck of having a niche that is willing to fund him, making money off porn is never a safe bet, look at Playboy going on and off about having nudity to reach a wider audience, ILLUSION arguably the biggest 3D smut making company in Japan is dead.
What ICSTOR is supposed to be doing, is something he enjoys, writing stories about incest with nice looking characters, at his own pace, with the kinks he chose, and he was lucky to find a lot of people that would throw money at him.

Your job doesn't have to be your life but when it such a large chunk of it, it should be ideally something that makes you happy or at least gives you new skills I think.

In this case it was writing, rendering and a bit of programming with RENPY, that's at least 3 skills that he can hone while doing something he can enjoy to a community that chose to follow him, meaning he could engage with people who like him.

He is in this position again, by luck, where he chose to forfeit his work, ignore his community, and still get money, but what did he lose? He gained resentment, hatred, alienation, lost many supporters and in the meantime his skills probably remained static, he did have to rely on an external writer too, so he chose stagnation, I don't think in the long term is the sort of path that will give him happyness.

The damocle's sword, whatever makes up his conscience will still tower over him I think. Maybe just a tiny prick.
Not saying you're wrong, but with the money he's made for the past couple of years, I honestly would do the same fucking thing If I had the chance.

The guy's earned more than many people ever will in their entire life, doing fuck all :)
I wouldn't give a flying fuck about people hating my guts, if I ended up not having to work ever again.

As for porn being unreliable, sure it is, but then again, it went to shit for various reasons:

-it's now much more regulated than before, or even blocked in many countries at this point.
-many things that people would enjoy watching, are now illegal all over the place.
-agendas have been pushed, that people do not find exciting (interracial, fat & ugly women, trans and the like.) This is why many people switched to amateur porn for a while, instead of sticking with pornhub and the like. This in turn, snowballed into stuff like onlyfans and camsluts in general, because porn no longer served their kinks, or constantly plastered things the majority of people found disgusting on their homepages/banners/ads. The same is starting to happen on AVNs, the amount of trash posted every day, far out weights the stuff people would actually enjoy at this point.
The quality has dropped as well since the past. When I was a teenager, and "borrowed" VHS tapes my parents hid, porn had an actual story, dialogues and what not. Now, it's just short bullshit stuff, mostly pile drivers and squirting with fat unattractive women, you can barely make the difference between one movie or the next. AVNs are following the same destructive choices, it's becoming difficult to make the difference from one game to the next, except for a very few good ones, they're all basically identical, have the same tags, and many share very similar stories as well, always trying to cater to a too large audience, leading to people being turned off , down right to disgusted, by what some games eventually try to implement.

As for Illusion, they've only got themselves to blame for it, they have for a very long time, not allowed their products to be bought outside of Japan, or be translated. When you add the sanctions, regulation and changes Japan has implemented, they've basically missed their shot at expending outside their country while they could, and would have been able to spread a lot more back then. They used to be revolutionary when they released their first games, and instead of getting better and better, they pretty much have stuck to the same stuff without improving or innovating much.

As for Icstor, to get back on topic, while it is despicable, I really can not blame him. If people are too fucking stupid, and keep throwing money at him in amounts large enough to feed a small family every month, I say good on him.
Too bad for us, since we'll likely never get the finished game, but I really can't fault him for choosing an easy life, being paid a rather large sum, for doing nothing.
 

Jeansjaulet03

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I liked the game, although I noticed some details, on the one hand in the intro is mentioned that you can decide to skip routes if you do not want to take them, but the dialogues of several conversations are not modified and behave as if all routes occur which contributes to know that in the canon happens like that, but ruins the personal experience.
P.D: In a very personal way I think that the game world lacks life since important facts are mentioned such as Caroline having a time limit to pay her debts, or Sara having to pass her subjects, although there are no exact dates in the game there is the idea of the passage of time, so I think it would be good that if we do not take a route the mention of the same in others is to know how it progresses without our participation and so we could have new versions of the same and perhaps new characters to participate in it (very smoked I know).
Forget this, I've already checked the context and it looks like we'll be lucky if a new update comes out.

P.D: I dread the words "final v1.0" in almost any game title.
 
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Anonnona

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anyone interested in playing a game? taking guesses as to how icstor and team intend to continue this scam without releasing a game. the usual comments are getting far too boring now.

my first guess is that onyxdime is gonna come back at a later point and claim that he received more new renders to write the dialogues for. the harem ending and more caroline content come to mind since he's been pretty explicit about the lack of either in the alleged final version.

the best lies are always ones built on truths. just because he's said certain things that are true doesn't mean everything he says is the truth. he's very smart with his lies in that way. have to hand it to them.
 

Tunechi1901

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Surprised there hasn't been a bigger uproar in his discord. Considering he has yet to come up with another excuse as to why Milfy City is delayed again. With any luck, his patreons gain some sense and stop supporting him. Then maybe we'll see something
 
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Surprised there hasn't been a bigger uproar in his discord. Considering he has yet to come up with another excuse as to why Milfy City is delayed again. With any luck, his patreons gain some sense and stop supporting him. Then maybe we'll see something
Well it's been known over the years that whoever kicks or talks against him on DISCORD gets banned. It's only full of his true Kool-Aid drinkers. Anyone else who goes on there and questions, they're shown the door and banned. At least that's how it used to be. I doubt they ceased that practice
 

boxedjack

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anyone interested in playing a game? taking guesses as to how icstor and team intend to continue this scam without releasing a game. the usual comments are getting far too boring now.
"Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well:). Today I have some news for you that should be quite exciting. I have been talking to the team and we decided that the final update should include all the endings that were originally promised, including the harem ending. To be honest, I wouldn't be happy myself if we delivered an update without it. That means that the release date will be pushed back a little bit. I estimate the game will be out in October but probably a lot sooner than that."
 
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rulaze

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"Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well:). Today I have some news for you that should be quite exciting. I have been talking to the team and we decided that the final update should include all the endings that were originally promised, including the harem ending. To be honest, I wouldn't be happy myself if we delivered an update without it. That means that the release date will be pushed back a little bit. I estimate the game will be out in October but probably a lot sooner than that."
The sad part is that this is exactly how he would say it. As if it was some great thought he came upon and decided to "gift" supporters with. October is probably too early I think he'd push it to at least November.
 

GhostFaceGuy

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anyone interested in playing a game? taking guesses as to how icstor and team intend to continue this scam without releasing a game. the usual comments are getting far too boring now.

my first guess is that onyxdime is gonna come back at a later point and claim that he received more new renders to write the dialogues for. the harem ending and more caroline content come to mind since he's been pretty explicit about the lack of either in the alleged final version.

the best lies are always ones built on truths. just because he's said certain things that are true doesn't mean everything he says is the truth. he's very smart with his lies in that way. have to hand it to them.
They gonna return in a couple of months with news on ammendmends of the plot. So they will need some time for preparation of harem ending etc. We do not scam, we mak a first-class product. I want to have a glance at guys who donate ICSTOR. People are obviously easy in getting money.
 

MyFirstPornAcc

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"Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well:). Today I have some news for you that should be quite exciting. I have been talking to the team and we decided that the final update should include all the endings that were originally promised, including the harem ending. To be honest, I wouldn't be happy myself if we delivered an update without it. That means that the release date will be pushed back a little bit. I estimate the game will be out in October but probably a lot sooner than that."
It would be very kind of him to do that... Again and again and again....
 
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