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- Apr 23, 2017
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You might not mean it the way you phrased it, but if you do, that is pretty messed up..
So people working in creative fields should worry about their bills to keep their productivity up?
Does this mindset only apply to artists or are employees generally more productive when they are driven by existential fear?
- Mar 28, 2017
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Sorry but that can work an year,two,three.But after that it is inevitable to have regress.It's same thing in every sport in the world.
if he releases the update on Caroline with the animations then for me he can also take 3 months off , but if it has to go out without animations then it is better that it does not come out really, for me it would not make sense since they are the animations to make this game great
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He's already sitting on gold. There's no other explanation. Paycheck like that should motivate the shit out of you.
This is how burnout looks like. 15K/year :
- Jan 24, 2019
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That's some fucked-up thinking right there. You'd rather people go hungry so they can churn out fap material for you?
He's pretty much confirmed he will not be releasing anything until after his return. You should communicate your concerns to him directly.
I do wish Icstor had been less vague in his patreon update even though he seemingly already knew he wouldn't be able to make the release. It seems a lot of people are still under the impression something is coming and it won't be until he's already on his break that it becomes evident.
After what both examples given have made monetarily.. it's very unlikely anyone is going to actually be hungry. You also took that a little bit too literal so you completely missed the point.
- Jan 24, 2019
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He literally said "Once they're well-fed and satisfied, they just stop producing." Even if it's not literal hunger, advocating that artists shouldn't be paid enough so they keep on grinding is still fucked up
First of all what is the developer of the game actually developing in the game? 
Is he the one who make the renders? Or he is the one who is doing the codding? Or may be he is the one who is doing both! In that case I believe that what is he saying, because codding + rendering is something that requires a lot time. But otherwise if he is doing half of the job I don't believe in a single word of that what he said. I know what is to do renders of animations and pictures and once you got the right settings you are going to set the scenes pretty fast and the PC will do the rest, so I don't see how he can suffer from that. Else if He is doing the codding, that might be actually true, codding is thinking, codding is testing, codding is very difficult, but for a game where your choices are not effecting the story of the game or the end of the game I don't see it so painful. Most likely the problem is way more deeper and He just cant share it with us. Even if He quit the game, which is very unlikely to happen, don't blame him. That's his project, no company owns him. As the Joker said: " if you are good in something... don't do it for free" so yes he is going to work for money.
Is he the one who make the renders? Or he is the one who is doing the codding? Or may be he is the one who is doing both! In that case I believe that what is he saying, because codding + rendering is something that requires a lot time. But otherwise if he is doing half of the job I don't believe in a single word of that what he said. I know what is to do renders of animations and pictures and once you got the right settings you are going to set the scenes pretty fast and the PC will do the rest, so I don't see how he can suffer from that. Else if He is doing the codding, that might be actually true, codding is thinking, codding is testing, codding is very difficult, but for a game where your choices are not effecting the story of the game or the end of the game I don't see it so painful. Most likely the problem is way more deeper and He just cant share it with us. Even if He quit the game, which is very unlikely to happen, don't blame him. That's his project, no company owns him. As the Joker said: " if you are good in something... don't do it for free" so yes he is going to work for money.
- Oct 5, 2018
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I would suggest for you to download some free rendering programs, test them out then come back after you've tried them out. The three main parts to any VN (Rendering, coding and script writing) are very difficult to get right so try it out and come back after you've had the chance. ICSTOR's doing a damn fine job all things considered.First of all what is the developer of the game actually developing in the game?
Is he the one who make the renders? Or he is the one who is doing the codding? Or may be he is the one who is doing both! In that case I believe that what is he saying, because codding + rendering is something that requires a lot time. But otherwise if he is doing half of the job I don't believe in a single word of that what he said. I know what is to do renders of animations and pictures and once you got the right settings you are going to set the scenes pretty fast and the PC will do the rest, so I don't see how he can suffer from that. Else if He is doing the codding, that might be actually true, codding is thinking, codding is testing, codding is very difficult, but for a game where your choices are not effecting the story of the game or the end of the game I don't see it so painful. Most likely the problem is way more deeper and He just cant share it with us. Even if He quit the game, which is very unlikely to happen, don't blame him. That's his project, no company owns him. As the Joker said: " if you are good in something... don't do it for free" so yes he is going to work for money.
Icstor has made an estimated $9,000 to $40,000 per month for the past several months, according to Graphtreon. Pretty sure he's not scrounging the couch for quarters to buy ramen noodles. I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid enough - I'm saying they need to remain hungry. Hungry for what is up to them - I don't care what it is: hungry for food, hungry to prove themselves, hungry for fame or fortune. Once they lose whatever is driving them to produce, they seem to no longer produce.
- Mar 28, 2017
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Even the best of the best run out of steam.Just see what happen with Martin Fourcade at the biathlon this year.He obliterate the competition previous 7 years,but season 2018/2019 he was unrecognisable.Same goes with football,basketball,F1 etc.
what i want to know is that, if there is possible potential in this industry, why is no one else making better things? why is the competition so pathetic, i dont get it. i get that his passion died down but he still makes quite amount of money even after starving people of the content for months to year, why arent more people abusing this situation and making the name for themselves?
- Oct 5, 2018
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I would suggest for you to search a few other VN's here and seeing if that changes your chain of thought.
ICSTOR's been consistent with delivery and it's good quality for what it is. You're welcome to say if he's lost the hunger etc and for that I'll agree to disagree.
Another post based on unsubstantiated claims. Passion died down? Based on what? @Walg points out ICSTOR has been consistent, I would go as far as better than consistent. The amount of quality content ICSTOR has been putting out over "x" months per update over the course of Milfy City's development actually has been more than what he has done in past projects over the same amount of time.
- Apr 23, 2017
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Because making porn games is not a get rich quick scheme.
You have no real way to sell your games. Your income through Patreon could be gone tomorrow if Patreon decides to change their tos. The best place to advertise your games is a pirate site. Depending on what engine you use and the experience you bring, you may need to purchase assets, software, hardware and need to learn how to write code.
Out of curiosity, I just checked the last six games that were added to the latest updates page. All of them had Patreon pages set up but only one of them made over 100$ a month (371$). Half of them didn't look to bad and I assume the developers put a ton of time into these.
Problem is, you can spend hundreds of hours working on games before you see any real return, if ever. If you have a day job, you probably don't have that time. If you don't, you really shouldn't try to get into an industry where the average street musician makes more than most developers.
Shit, honestly the dude deserves a break. His quality since the beginning has been what's popularized the genre so much.