Ren'Py Completed Milfy City [v1.0e] [ICSTOR]

[J II D]

This here is why nobody has a right to complain in my opinion. How many times have we seen a Patreon account continue to operate while the dev has all but disappeared from the face of the Earth without so much as a hat tip?
ICSTOR is literally passing on more than $5k per month (and that's if all his pledges are the lowest tier, which they most definitely are not), that's not something that I think anyone would do if they felt that they had another choice. This break must be unavoidable.

I mean.. yes and no.
Is he better then the large amount of developers that just keep the cashflow going knowing full well that they are done.... 100% yes... And he has my respect for that decision.

But does that also mean that his loyal pledgers....people who are paying for the development of this project...have no right to be angry or disappointed..... No....

If i payed a couple hundreds buck for a project and the developer suddenly decides to take a break because he lost motivation/energy to go on with the project, they have full right to question that.
I also believe that it's large based on fear because these days we all know full to well what it means when a developer decides to "take a break"... Especially with the history of Icstor.

I also don't believe for 1 second that he didn't take a couple breaks during those 4 years, like i said... I followed the development cycles of multiple games under his wing and am fan of almost all of them, and i followed those years enough that there where enough breaks in development where he didn't do any work. (This is of course 100% personal thoughts and don't have any facts for it, just my own personal observation).
But it just seems that every time around a half way mark of a game he just loses motivation and focus for his current project and loses motivation and starts thinking about new ideas (and that causes even more loss of motivation because now he wants to do that new thing).

But to end on a positive note.
Icstor will not vanish from the face of the earth, i don't believe that for 1 second.
Will this game get another update or 2... Yeah... I do think so yes.

Are we going to get all the things he promised and is this game going to be completed.......
Well, i think that's in the same category as Gumdrop releasing his game this year.... Not likely......

 

[ꜱᴛᴀɢᴡᴏᴏᴅ]

@Trapezio I don't believe that in this case. There's far too much money involved. Unless ICSTOR's personal issues involve a fatal illness or something.

 

[ꜱᴛᴀɢᴡᴏᴏᴅ]

@J II D While I understand your sentiment and kind of agree to a point, isn't the entire model behind Patreon that you are pledging to a creator and not their product? Some creators subvert that model and treat it like those pledging are in fact paying for a product, but I'm sure that Patreon's own descriptions refer back to the Renaissance and how people with excessive amounts of money would help artists with living costs and expenses just to keep their creativity flowing and not particularly to receive something back. Getting something back such as the first refusal on works etc. was obviously incentive to keep supporting the artist but that's just good relations.

 

[J II D]

@J II D While I understand your sentiment and kind of agree to a point, isn't the entire model behind Patreon that you are pledging to a creator and not their product? Some creators subvert that model and treat it like those pledging are in fact paying for a product, but I'm sure that Patreon's own descriptions refer back to the Renaissance and how people with excessive amounts of money would help artists with living costs and expenses just to keep their creativity flowing and not particularly to receive something back. Getting something back such as the first refusal on works etc. was obviously incentive to keep supporting the artist but that's just good relations.

True,
But all his rewards on his Patreon page Specifies things for this game.

Not for another project or things for himself.
It's all for his current project.. a.k.a Milfy City.
And i might be wrong, and you have my apology if i am.... But for me that means that most people are paying for this game and certain rewards that come with it.

Are there fans that pay him regardless of project.. no question about it that there are...
But i think we all can agree on the fact that people pay him for Milfy City.

If he wants to be payed as a creator, he should set up his reward/tier system that way.
But again, i might be wrong : )

 

[ꜱᴛᴀɢᴡᴏᴏᴅ]

@J II D Okay, but back to his statement. He's not taking any money while he isn't working on it, and those that have already paid will not be charged again for the next update. All your previous payments have gone into things you've already received, right?
I think he's behaving fairly. It is disappointing to have to wait for something so good when you expected it earlier but I do think he's handling this break in a way that's far more respectful than most creators on Patreon do.

 

[Daloza]

Guys, honestly...

I wrote it on Nergal's games threads (both, many many months ago), I wrote it on Veqvil's LaS thread (many months ago)... therefore I'm quoting myself (once again):

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSON I LEARNED HERE on F95 ZONE forum: whenever an author openly starts talking about his personal issues on Patreon/Discord/his blog his game is DOOMED.


This game is dead. Deal with it and move on to something else.

Look, this is first one of this dev by ren - am I right? But I sure he won't old style game, he had a enough money for this. So....

 

[J II D]

@J II D Okay, but back to his statement. He's not taking any money while he isn't working on it, and those that have already paid will not be charged again for the next update. All your previous payments have gone into things you've already received, right?
I think he's behaving fairly. It is disappointing to have to wait for something so good when you expected it earlier but I do think he's handling this break in a way that's far more respectful than most creators on Patreon do.

I 100% agree with you on this one.
He handles this break better than most developers on Patreon and that he makes the game free for all those paid this month is a very kind thing to do.

My only concern is what actually is going to happen after his break : ), but i said enough on this matter already the last few days.
I think we all can agree on that we HOPE that Icstor comes back strong and finishes this game into the masterpiece it could be : )

 

[katmandomo]

The real problem is that while ICStor probably has every intention in the world of returning to the game once he is past his "burnout", my experience is that the real problem is that the passion is gone. I would say there's better than even odds that he just never returns from his sabbatical and goes on to do something else, possibly totally unrelated.

It's hard to leave all of that Patreon money behind, and I commend him for turning it off instead of just going radio silent and mooching off of the people who don't realize he's not coming back, but if you're sick and tired of your job it's best to just move on.

 

[J II D]

The real problem is that while ICStor probably has every intention in the world of returning to the game once he is past his "burnout", my experience is that the real problem is that the passion is gone. I would say there's better than even odds that he just never returns from his sabbatical and goes on to do something else, possibly totally unrelated.

It's hard to leave all of that Patreon money behind, and I commend him for turning it off instead of just going radio silent and mooching off of the people who don't realize he's not coming back, but if you're sick and tired of your job it's best to just move on.

Yeah, but it could also have a positive effect.
If you really love doing something, you always come back to it.
But i wouldn't be surprised if he uses his "break" to begin work on a new project.

But there are so many possibilities....
2 months he said, ok... Let's say 100 days to give him a little bit of wiggle room

Let's just see what happens when it's summer and he is supposed to be working on this project again

 

[pervertboy82]

Is it updated version???

Don't know..

 

[Croftic]

He gets too much money from this project. I dont think that he will completely abandon this game, it doesnt make any sense (unless his problems are too serious). In any case, there is nothing left as to just wait.

 

[JinXXX]

Guys, honestly...

I wrote it on Nergal's games threads (both, many many months ago), I wrote it on Veqvil's LaS thread (many months ago)... therefore I'm quoting myself (once again):

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSON I LEARNED HERE on F95 ZONE forum: whenever an author openly starts talking about his personal issues on Patreon/Discord/his blog his game is DOOMED.


This game is dead. Deal with it and move on to something else.

Exactly. Next, he will have problems with pausing patreon. Either he "forgets" or pauses it too late or something similar. These guys are good with excuses. He will milk to the end.

At leas he didn't go with "I got hacked". "I had mental breakdown" is less embarrassaing.

 

[DamnVamMan]

can I please get a TL;DR on this new drama

 

[Pepé Le Pew]

can I please get a TL;DR on this new drama

Yes... Wait and calm your tits...

 

[jamdan]

He has already made a few games, none as popular as M-City but still pretty good games. Its fine if he needs a break, everyone needs a break sometime.

I dont know if he is solo or not, but if so he should hire a couple people to help him out. Doing all the work yourself is quite the task, he certainly has the funds to have a dev team.

 

[Osirisx69]

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 224, in script call
call _splashscreen from _call_splashscreen_1
File "game/splash_screen.rpy", line 9, in script
show splash1 with dissolve
Exception: Invalid key specifier hide_windows1

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "C:\Users\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\bootstrap.py", line 313, in bootstrap
renpy.main.main()
File "C:\Users\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\main.py", line 513, in main
run(restart)
File "C:\Users\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\main.py", line 139, in run
renpy.execution.run_context(True)
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\execution.py", line 876, in run_context
context.run()
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 224, in script call
call _splashscreen from _call_splashscreen_1
File "game/splash_screen.rpy", line 9, in script
show splash1 with dissolve
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 1356, in execute
renpy.exports.with_statement(trans, paired)
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\exports.py", line 1481, in with_statement
return renpy.game.interface.do_with(trans, paired, clear=clear)
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2227, in do_with
clear=clear)
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2672, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 3477, in interact_core
rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 435, in event
if map_event(ev, name):
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 221, in map_event
check_code = eval("lambda ev : " + compile_event(keysym, True), globals())
File "C:\Users\\Downloads\Milfy_City-0.5c-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 140, in compile_event
raise Exception("Invalid key specifier %s" % key)
Exception: Invalid key specifier hide_windows1

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.1.3.1092
Milfy City 0.5c
Wed Mar 27 11:35:20 2019


I am sure I did something wrong. Any idea what caused the error?

 

[armion82]

True enough. But you have to admit ICSTOR's work is a cut above the rest.

Try this.Probably the other game with impressive renders and animations.
https://f95zone.to/threads/jessica-oneils-hard-news-v0-15-stoperart.15081/
Also this week we will get DMD 0.21

 

[katmandomo]

can I please get a TL;DR on this new drama

Pretty straightforward. The developer announced that he was burnt out and is taking a couple of months off. Patreon payments are suspended during the vacation. Some people think that he'll never return and this game is actually dead, not just suspended.

 

[ꜱᴛᴀɢᴡᴏᴏᴅ]

@jamdan I think he brought on a writer to help before.
There was a debacle with people being unhappy with Caroline talking too much about previous sexual encounters during one of her scenes with the MC. I agree that it's a bit off putting for someone to talk about their exes during sexual activities, but it blew up into people arguing about whether she should have a sexual history at all. It was kind of ridiculous.
The writing was tweaked in a hasty bug fix-like release and the original dialogue was I think attributed to a writer that wasn't ICSTOR.

I assume he does the most work himself and was probably just outsourcing to give himself more space in his schedule or something. I don't know if that writer is a permanent part of his team now or if it was a one off.

 

[sarge87]

@jamdan I think he brought on a writer to help before.
There was a debacle with people being unhappy with Caroline talking too much about previous sexual encounters during one of her scenes with the MC. I agree that it's a bit off putting for someone to talk about their exes during sexual activities, but it blew up into people arguing about whether she should have a sexual history at all. It was kind of ridiculous.
The writing was tweaked in a hasty bug fix-like release and the original dialogue was I think attributed to a writer that wasn't ICSTOR.

I assume he does the most work himself and was probably just outsourcing to give himself more space in his schedule or something. I don't know if that writer is a permanent part of his team now or if it was a one off.

I think @Onyxdime is the main writer and has been for at least the last couple updates. ICSTOR only does the renders and storyboards I think, coding and writing is delegated to separate people respectively.