CarbonBlue

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That's some fucked-up thinking right there. You'd rather people go hungry so they can churn out fap material for you?
He literally said "Once they're well-fed and satisfied, they just stop producing." Even if it's not literal hunger, advocating that artists shouldn't be paid enough so they keep on grinding is still fucked up
Icstor has made an estimated $9,000 to $40,000 per month for the past several months, according to Graphtreon. Pretty sure he's not scrounging the couch for quarters to buy ramen noodles. I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid enough - I'm saying they need to remain hungry. Hungry for what is up to them - I don't care what it is: hungry for food, hungry to prove themselves, hungry for fame or fortune. Once they lose whatever is driving them to produce, they seem to no longer produce.
 
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armion82

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Icstor has made an estimated $9,000 to $40,000 per month for the past several months, according to Graphtreon. Pretty sure he's not scrounging the couch for quarters to buy ramen noodles. I'm not saying they shouldn't be paid enough - I'm saying they need to remain hungry. Hungry for what is up to them - I don't care what it is: hungry for food, hungry to prove themselves, hungry for fame or fortune. Once they lose whatever is driving them to produce, they seem to no longer produce.
Even the best of the best run out of steam.Just see what happen with Martin Fourcade at the biathlon this year.He obliterate the competition previous 7 years,but season 2018/2019 he was unrecognisable.Same goes with football,basketball,F1 etc.
 
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giexa

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what i want to know is that, if there is possible potential in this industry, why is no one else making better things? why is the competition so pathetic, i dont get it. i get that his passion died down but he still makes quite amount of money even after starving people of the content for months to year, why arent more people abusing this situation and making the name for themselves?
 

Walg

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what i want to know is that, if there is possible potential in this industry, why is no one else making better things? why is the competition so pathetic, i dont get it.
I would suggest for you to search a few other VN's here and seeing if that changes your chain of thought.

ICSTOR's been consistent with delivery and it's good quality for what it is. You're welcome to say if he's lost the hunger etc and for that I'll agree to disagree.
 

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what i want to know is that, if there is possible potential in this industry, why is no one else making better things? why is the competition so pathetic, i dont get it. i get that his passion died down but he still makes quite amount of money even after starving people of the content for months to year, why arent more people abusing this situation and making the name for themselves?
Another post based on unsubstantiated claims. Passion died down? Based on what? @Walg points out ICSTOR has been consistent, I would go as far as better than consistent. The amount of quality content ICSTOR has been putting out over "x" months per update over the course of Milfy City's development actually has been more than what he has done in past projects over the same amount of time.
 

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what i want to know is that, if there is possible potential in this industry, why is no one else making better things? why is the competition so pathetic, i dont get it. i get that his passion died down but he still makes quite amount of money even after starving people of the content for months to year, why arent more people abusing this situation and making the name for themselves?
Because making porn games is not a get rich quick scheme.
You have no real way to sell your games. Your income through Patreon could be gone tomorrow if Patreon decides to change their tos. The best place to advertise your games is a pirate site. Depending on what engine you use and the experience you bring, you may need to purchase assets, software, hardware and need to learn how to write code.

Out of curiosity, I just checked the last six games that were added to the latest updates page. All of them had Patreon pages set up but only one of them made over 100$ a month (371$). Half of them didn't look to bad and I assume the developers put a ton of time into these.

Problem is, you can spend hundreds of hours working on games before you see any real return, if ever. If you have a day job, you probably don't have that time. If you don't, you really shouldn't try to get into an industry where the average street musician makes more than most developers.
 

MadMonk

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it hasnt bit the dust, its on hold
i know but if you look how many projects got set on hold and then abdoned to start something new or rushed to an end with one more updated you see what "bites the dust means" and the sign are there for this one too.
 

fried

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First of all what is the developer of the game actually developing in the game? :D
Is he the one who make the renders? Or he is the one who is doing the codding? Or may be he is the one who is doing both! In that case I believe that what is he saying, because codding + rendering is something that requires a lot time. But otherwise if he is doing half of the job I don't believe in a single word of that what he said. I know what is to do renders of animations and pictures and once you got the right settings you are going to set the scenes pretty fast and the PC will do the rest, so I don't see how he can suffer from that. Else if He is doing the codding, that might be actually true, codding is thinking, codding is testing, codding is very difficult, but for a game where your choices are not effecting the story of the game or the end of the game I don't see it so painful. Most likely the problem is way more deeper and He just cant share it with us. Even if He quit the game, which is very unlikely to happen, don't blame him. That's his project, no company owns him. As the Joker said: " if you are good in something... don't do it for free" so yes he is going to work for money.
This post is sort of all over the place and seems to offer contradictory messages at times, but on your clear assertion that the graphical aspect of game development is straightforward compared to the code development . . . it sounds as if you might not have very much experience with scene composition, modelling, animation, lighting, texturing/shaders, compositing, asset management, etc. - to say nothing of the story work and editing, plot development and possible storyboarding.

The actual rendering is computational power at work, but to reach that point takes a great deal of technical and creative effort for those that do a beyond-average job in their graphical presentation aspect of game dev; one doesn't simply game Dev into Mordor plop characters into a scene and get the effective perspectives and character expressions+body language, convincing figure-on-figure interplay (which is difficult in Daz - for a character-oriented 3d posing program, it has remarkably limited collision/physics capabilities) and especially compelling+smooth animations (again, extremely difficult in Daz). To say nothing of getting the lighting trials and/or post-work+possible render layer compositing consistent across steps in a scene.

I will confidently assert that the better game Devs - and ICSTOR is one of them - put in a great deal of time and effort to getting out their high quality installments, as a rule.
 

fried

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So, I haven't been in this topic for awhile and come back to experience sincere disbelief at so many people literally accusing ICSTOR of being a lazy, rich fraud and all.

I mean, we're talking about ICSTOR: this person has churned out a number of games over the years, with consistently high quality. It boggles my mind, the intensely immature and whiny demands of so many commenters here as of late (many of whom seem to have low post counts, from my casual notice - perhaps I'm wrong.) But, what have you done for me lately? Why I can't I get what I demand NOW? What a load of Veruca Salt-wannabees, I tell ya.

That said ...

It seems his outfit may be taking a break soon, if I understand the gist of comments in the past week or so, which sounds pretty reasonable: again, this game dev has put out an impressive history of complete games and hey ... turns out that humans are behind it all, wouldn't you know!

If this was Epic or such, there would be other employees to take on tasks when some folks go on holiday or sick leave. That's often not an option for these small, self-publishing outfits which use Patreon, SubscribeStar or similar.

The marked lack of appreciation for effort required to create these games from scratch - and the glass-half-empty assumptions filling in their lack of knowledge - is just astounding to me. I have a tough time believing people with these displayed levels of unsympathetic impatience, superficial judgement and willful ignorance exist in large numbers, but I guess this helps explain some truly perplexing and astonishingly foot-shooting choices in some elections of the past couple of years ...
 

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So, I haven't been in this topic for awhile and come back to experience sincere disbelief at so many people literally accusing ICSTOR of being a lazy, rich fraud and all.

I mean, we're talking about ICSTOR: this person has churned out a number of games over the years, with consistently high quality. It boggles my mind, the intensely immature and whiny demands of so many commenters here as of late (many of whom seem to have low post counts, from my casual notice - perhaps I'm wrong.) But, what have you done for me lately? Why I can't I get what I demand NOW? What a load of Veruca Salt-wannabees, I tell ya.

That said ...

It seems his outfit may be taking a break soon, if I understand the gist of comments in the past week or so, which sounds pretty reasonable: again, this game dev has put out an impressive history of complete games and hey ... turns out that humans are behind it all, wouldn't you know!

If this was Epic or such, there would be other employees to take on tasks when some folks go on holiday or sick leave. That's often not an option for these small, self-publishing outfits which use Patreon, SubscribeStar or similar.

The marked lack of appreciation for effort required to create these games from scratch - and the glass-half-empty assumptions filling in their lack of knowledge - is just astounding to me. I have a tough time believing people with these displayed levels of unsympathetic impatience, superficial judgement and willful ignorance exist in large numbers, but I guess this helps explain some truly perplexing and astonishingly foot-shooting choices in some elections of the past couple of years ...

i don't think many on here accouse him of beeing a lazy or a fraud since like you said yourself he put quality work out in the past and this game is no difference, it is way above 95% of other stuff you will find on here.

I think people fear more that the game will find an abrupt end even when he comes back, getting burned out on a project and takeing a break leads often to to finding new projects that bring more joy in once work.
i don't want to say that this will happen here but i would totally understand if he comes back after his break and puts one other update out and then moves on, no one wants to work on something that pulls them down, that will only lead to a lost in quality and if i judge him right that is something he doesen't want.

But also this site is full of abdoned projects so i understand the feelings of some of the louder posters on here.

i hope he will find new strenght after his break and keeps working on this game, or works on another one.


(also sorry about my english, not a native speaker here)
 
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He is right though he never got a vacation he do deserves abreak. Sometimes a break is all you need to get everything sorted and clear the mind. even with a fultime job you also need a full break from that or you will get health decline.
 

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-I will pause my Patreon account during this time so you will NOT be charged.
-Everyone who pledged for this month will be getting the next Caroline and Celia update for free.
This here is why nobody has a right to complain in my opinion. How many times have we seen a Patreon account continue to operate while the dev has all but disappeared from the face of the Earth without so much as a hat tip?
ICSTOR is literally passing on more than $5k per month (and that's if all his pledges are the lowest tier, which they most definitely are not), that's not something that I think anyone would do if they felt that they had another choice. This break must be unavoidable.
 

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Wait, wait, does that mean we have to wait for version 0.6 until June? Or is he taking a break after posting it?
Just expect the release to drop ~June then if it drops earlier it will be a pleasant surprise for you.
There are plenty of other games here to keep you occupied till then.
 
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