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I'm wondering what is this Forum's long term strategy and if they have any impact on the creators? Because this is more and more becoming a farce.. Not only that, it also follows the same scenario every time:
promising demo --> decent size- and content-wise regular updates for a few months --> solid patronage base and monthly income --> less regular, small updates --> excuse 1 --> even less regular, smaller updates --> excuse 2 --> dummy activity --> stalling or abandonment of the project.
If things continue this way, we're gonna end up in the point with every major title abandoned/on-hold and thousand of 0.1/demo crap.
promising demo --> decent size- and content-wise regular updates for a few months --> solid patronage base and monthly income --> less regular, small updates --> excuse 1 --> even less regular, smaller updates --> excuse 2 --> dummy activity --> stalling or abandonment of the project.
If things continue this way, we're gonna end up in the point with every major title abandoned/on-hold and thousand of 0.1/demo crap.
- Nov 11, 2016
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This kinda reminds me of Angry Joe a year or two ago. During summer, he hasn't posted any game review for 2 months, and after this 2 month break he made a video saying he will take a 2 month break. 
So people started unsubscribe in masses, leaving him angry comments and tweets, down voting his videos and Joe didn't know how to react to that, and got angry at those people which made them pissed off even more.
I don't know what to think about it. I would like to see the "only Caroline" update and leaving the rest of the update for after the vacation, as it would appease everyone, I believe. The problem is, I don't know how many animations are planned, I don't want the animations to be rushed, and I don't know if he is in the creative state to make them as good as Linda's for example.
It would have been best, if he finished Caroline, then announced the vacation and released it as the 0.5.5 version and finished the 0.6 after he comes back. But I don't know him personally, nor how he works, so I can only guess.
So people started unsubscribe in masses, leaving him angry comments and tweets, down voting his videos and Joe didn't know how to react to that, and got angry at those people which made them pissed off even more. I don't know what to think about it. I would like to see the "only Caroline" update and leaving the rest of the update for after the vacation, as it would appease everyone, I believe. The problem is, I don't know how many animations are planned, I don't want the animations to be rushed, and I don't know if he is in the creative state to make them as good as Linda's for example.
It would have been best, if he finished Caroline, then announced the vacation and released it as the 0.5.5 version and finished the 0.6 after he comes back. But I don't know him personally, nor how he works, so I can only guess.
- Nov 11, 2016
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Yeah, well, I always think that this is not the case of this and that creator, but I get proved wrong over and over again to the point that I don't support anybody anymore and just come here, look at the latest updates, sometimes check the watched list and just hope that I get something small and satisfying from time to time. 80% of games I was following are now on hold, abbandoned, or are getting milked with slow updates or are being remade. Only few got finished. I think, that the creators take on larger projects than they can manage. Hell, I myself have troubles finishing my master thesis, because I took too large theme and have to go through a ton of shit books and articles to find something useful for it. I am at the point that I must force myself to finish it. I think that the guys creating these types of games go through a similar thing.
I mean yeah.
I am not someone who expects a update every month or something like that, not at all.
I rather have a developer that takes 4 months for 1 update to do it right(Like with the previous update with this one).
Then a developer that produces some mediocre shit every month that barely worth playing(Like the game corruption).
I told my personal views of ICstor multiple times already so i won't do that again, but i don't believe for 1 second that ICstor will vanish completely.... This game being abandoned after the next update because he doesn't feel motivated for it anymore is the most probable scenario in my opinion.
Again, i really do hope it doesn't come to that.
Whatever issues i have with him as a developer stand loose from the amazing quality that this game has.
But blaming this on patreon is just way to simple.
Of course it's a platform that's way to easy to (ab)use, but the responsibility lies ultimately with the people who pay the creators themselves.
I am just currently thinking about removing all my pledges to everybody, and follow a brand new system..
I will only pay to a developer that i like after he/she produces another update.
If it took 3 months, i will pay 3 months worth of pledging and cancel my pledge right after that..... Simple as that.
If in ends up being another abandoned game.... Nothing lost.
Just tired of paying for empty promises and fairy-tales.
I am constantly getting an error screen appear with any actions I am doing right now. Does anyone know how to fix this?
- Jun 21, 2017
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Nah, you've got to bang your aunt, and have a threesome with her and mom, and then get the aunt pregnant. That's at least 3 more updates!
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This forum? F95? What sort of strategy do you think it should have? No one has control over a dev and his/her development of a game, it's all up to them. If they read something that they don't like, or even something that they like, it's up to them how they take it and what they do with it, like abandoning their game. Were you referring to criticism towards creators and how it can be detrimental to the games development or have I missed the point?
- Aug 20, 2017
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It's still work and I doubt it would have just been a 'few hours per day'. Anyone who's been working on a single project for more than a few months will know that it can be exhausting, it saps your enthusiasm and your work will suffer because of it. A vicious cycle that you need to be disciplined to break out of.He's making what.. 10K/month by sitting at computer few hours per day(sounds like a dream vacation), and now he's suffering from burnout ? Really ?
So the conclusion is that the Dev will release version 0.6 by caroline without celia before he worries about 2 months?
Glad that he's pausing his Patreon. I strongly believe that artists should always be hungry. Once they're well-fed and satisfied, they just stop producing. See Valve, for instance. Maybe when Icstor starts missing that $20,000+ over the two months he'll get the creative bug biting him again.
No, you can't draw that conclusion from what Icstor has said. What he's said is he doesn't want to release it without the animations. So it's entirely possible we'll just get nothing for several months.
Not confirmed if he will or not.
He should take the two weeks or whatever he needs to finish the animations and release the Caroline only update before taking the break. We'll see if he does that or not.
The more I think about this the more scummy I think this whole thing is. He's not even freezing the Patreon this month either, and giving some bullshit reason for that.
"I’m not pausing my Patreon page now because I’m still trying to finish her content this month. The longest scenes are done, but I can’t promise that I’ll manage to do that, and if I’m not sure I even want to release an update with just her alone."
How can he finish it this month when he said that the animations will take about two weeks to finish? It's all bullshit because he for sure wants that last payday before his extended vacation, even though the progress has been stuck on 60% for basically the entire month, and he's likely not done much work at all this month.
If ICSTOR doesn't take these two weeks to finish Caroline's animations and release a Caroline only update, then I'll never support this guy again. It's just a huge insult to the people who've been paying him every month. This is not the way you go on an extended break... You release something and then do that. You don't release a bunch of previews in the last day or so getting people hyped for your 2+ month vacation.
I mean, just finish the animations. It's two weeks with clear light at the end of the tunnel... It will go fast enough, and people will be happy with a great solo update for the most popular girl. Then go take the vacation and all the time you need. You don't want to take this extended break when people are all pissed off about how you left.
- May 23, 2017
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Maybe that's the point... In a normal world, shareholders/investors/funders/sponsors have expectations and are able to articulate and execute them. Here it's starting to look like a bunch of brats spending their parents' bucks and worshipping the devs no matter the shitshow they put out...
- Aug 20, 2017
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But that's not the fault of this forum, that's just the decline of society as a whole. In effect those 'bunch of brats spending their parents' bucks and worshipping the devs' are the 'shareholders/investors/funders/sponsors', I mean you're view of them will be skewed towards the vocal minority but they are still the backers of the game. The trouble is there is and always has been subset of people that will effectively get stuck behind their 'beliefs', fighting for them no matter what information they are faced with, they have traditionally been called 'zealots' but more recently, 'fanboys'. Without those people changing their way of thinking, you can't reason with them, it's human nature and wars have been fought because of it.
The only thing, you or I have control of, is how we present ourselves and our arguments. You can change people, but you can't force them to change.