Tacoman3000

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I see some people here aren't supporters of freedom of speech.
My Post is a comparison between a solid dev and someone who grabs money without delivering.
Tbh not only icstor is better, adeptussteve and even DarkCookie are better than ic...

What the fuck has this topic got to do with the American government not silencing the voices of it's citizens? Do you even know what 'the freedom of speech' is? I'm not American and I know what it actually means, but you don't. Go learn about your own constitution before you start raving on about it. And understand how it doesn't apply to the entire internet/world.


Now as for the current topic. I've been a fan of Icstor for years, and I've donated to him a bunch of times over the years, but I just cannot accept his spiel about working constantly for 4 years. I was there when he tried to do 2 projects simultaneously (IS2, Milf Villa), got overworked, went radio silent for a few months before cutting both projects short and quitting them because he was burnt out.

He is totally entitled to have a break, but the way he has done it and acted throughout 2019 leaves a lot to be desired. I can't help but feel we're gonna get a rushed project now because he is bored with it, and this game was his best one. Although no one can compete with little sister from IS but that's just me playing favourites for no reason.
 

Aldnoah Zero

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(For example no more character polls. I’ll create updates for characters that I’m in the mood for writing about. This should help me avoid getting burned out again.)

Ironic that exactly the patrons (more enthusiastic fans of the game) ended up taking half fault, due to pools and requests !
Probably the game would be more advanced in history, were not animations and scenes extended to a certain character!
And too many changes in a project every month would end in a headache(finally Dev learned)

The project got too big and Dev did not expect a game in the long run (at first)

In the end two valid alternatives:
Dev calm down and comes back for more updates.
Or summarize the game in few updates and rest for good ..
Dropping the game now is definitely not an option, a lot of money and reputation involved ..
There are so many good games here in F95, even complete, while waiting ..
After so much if we can get a decent end is still profit !!

Which game is that from?
The Visit/ Stiglet (Mom, and lesbian friend ?!)
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-visit-v0-8-stiglet.10361/
 
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Bill_Buttlicker

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I see some people here aren't supporters of freedom of speech.
My Post is a comparison between a solid dev and someone who grabs money without delivering.
Tbh not only icstor is better, adeptussteve and even DarkCookie are better than ic...

You really have no concept of what "freedom of speech" even means. All it entails is that the government cannot restrict what you say unless it specifically causes harm/chaos like shouting "fire" in a crowded room. It has nothing to do with other venues, people or businesses not being allowed to restrict what you want to say.
 

ae77

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Hi guys, i using Walk through for this game and i can't find
"Morning Meet Linda in the Living room, Go to linda bedroom click the book
located in Shelves"

I can't see book in her room
please help me
thanks
 

Asherdumort

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Hi guys, i using Walk through for this game and i can't find
"Morning Meet Linda in the Living room, Go to linda bedroom click the book
located in Shelves"

I can't see book in her room
please help me
thanks
IF it's the book I'm thinking of.. you will see it on the nightstand to the right of the bed.
 
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BoykaBoykov

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Didn't insult Icstor.
I compared workflows of two devs from the same genre.
I donated to Icstor 3 Years and even after he abandoned 2 games i kept supporting him.
But after he took the money and didn`t deliever anything i stopped and looked for better ones.
You guys need to calm down and stop defending such behavior.
Hands down Milfy City was one of the best h games.
To bad he decided to take the wrong turn.

ps Critisism should be allowed
 

401Grem

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Didn't insult Icstor.
I compared workflows of two devs from the same genre.
I donated to Icstor 3 Years and even after he abandoned 2 games i kept supporting him.
But after he took the money and didn`t deliever anything i stopped and looked for better ones.
You guys need to calm down and stop defending such behavior.
Hands down Milfy City was one of the best h best games.
To bad he decided to take the wrong turn.

ps Critisism should be allowed
Well, free speach here is not a right or entitlement, it's a privilege, which can be revoked. IMHO, defamation is a valid reason for revocation.
 
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cabron12345

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I already searched the entire topic and did not find it. I followed the Steps of the First Page and Nothing.

Can anyone pass me the complete savegame from version 0.5?
 
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Icstor need 4 Years to learn how to make a good game (i mean Milfy City) (btw all his games before was bs)
After he find out how to make a good game he charged 5 Months Money without delivering anything not even
the small Caroline Update he promised.
Plus he took the Money for April and he lied that he will immediately pause his money sucking after March.
And what we saw now...
View attachment 277421
Stiglet on the other Hand made a better game than Icstor with the first try
and he doesn't lie and drops every 6 weeks 1 great Update,
with tons of Animations new Scenes, great Story, new Characters & great overall Quality

View attachment 277420


(BTW Stiglet earns far less than Icstor)

Truth be told i dont really care if this guy is promoting this game or not, he sure has some valid points regarding the Milfy City progress.

Still, i am here for the porn and nothing else , so THANK YOU MAN for the info in this game, i am downloading it as we speak.

Cheers.


:) :)
 
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Vordertur

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Well, free speach here is not a right or entitlement, it's a privilege, which can be revoked. IMHO, defamation is a valid reason for revocation.
Ok, a little bit of Devil's Advocate here:

Everyone's harping on the technical/legal definition of "free speech." i.e. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution which allows for freedom of religion, of speech, assembly, the press, and all that other good stuff. And yes, that's not applicable here because this is a private forum where the rules are not set by any governmental organization but by the people who own/operate said forum.

Right. Asked and answered.

But, and I think it's disingenuous to try and deny that this sort of thing exists, there is always a "hive-mind" mentality on any public forum - an established circle-jerk narrative. A bunch of people who tend to control what opinions are "allowed" and which ones aren't. If you have an unpopular opinion, you're basically just shouted down because no one wants to hear it. It's standard operating procedure just about everywhere you go, and sometimes it's organized and malicious, and other times it's simply because many people's normal, knee-jerk reaction to hearing something they don't agree with is to effectively jam their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" at the top of their lungs.

The end result is still basically the same: the silencing of dissent in whatever form it comes in.

Now here's the thing: I'm not trying to argue that every single voice deserves to be heard. Some people really are just trying to scream in the dark and contribute nothing meaningful to a conversation. But on the other hand, there are some people who do try to bring something useful to the table, and this is why I always roll my eyes when the dogpiles start. Because is someone getting dismissed out of hand simply because they're not "saying the right things?" Or because they didn't use the right buzzwords, or whatever kind of trivial offenses people drum up these days to ensure they don't have to listen to someone they potentially won't agree with?

Whatever happened to actually vetting people's arguments? Or is that something nobody bothers with anymore because it's too much work?
 

BoykaBoykov

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@Vordertur

Thanks mate.


Some supporters of Icstor don't understand that defending bad behaviour help scammers.

I and many others supported Icstor for a long time but that doesn't mean we need to tolerate everything he does and need to shut up.

And for all this conspiracy theories out there no i am not stiglet, adeptussteve, DC or any other adult game dev.
I am the opposite i donate money to help devs creating great content.
But if someone don't hold his promise i cancel my pledge.

In a nutshell how i understood f95 rules is you can say whatever you want but don't insult anybody and don't talk about politics & religion.

That's the same rules, Darkcookie made in his Picarto & Discord chat and i am very confy with it.

I checked my postings and there is no insult.

Last Point, i didn't make a comparison between Apples & Cars.

I compared similar 3D Adult Games and i think that's totally fair.

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Bill_Buttlicker

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Ok, a little bit of Devil's Advocate here:

Everyone's harping on the technical/legal definition of "free speech." i.e. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution which allows for freedom of religion, of speech, assembly, the press, and all that other good stuff. And yes, that's not applicable here because this is a private forum where the rules are not set by any governmental organization but by the people who own/operate said forum.

Right. Asked and answered.

But, and I think it's disingenuous to try and deny that this sort of thing exists, there is always a "hive-mind" mentality on any public forum - an established circle-jerk narrative. A bunch of people who tend to control what opinions are "allowed" and which ones aren't. If you have an unpopular opinion, you're basically just shouted down because no one wants to hear it. It's standard operating procedure just about everywhere you go, and sometimes it's organized and malicious, and other times it's simply because many people's normal, knee-jerk reaction to hearing something they don't agree with is to effectively jam their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" at the top of their lungs.

The end result is still basically the same: the silencing of dissent in whatever form it comes in.

Now here's the thing: I'm not trying to argue that every single voice deserves to be heard. Some people really are just trying to scream in the dark and contribute nothing meaningful to a conversation. But on the other hand, there are some people who do try to bring something useful to the table, and this is why I always roll my eyes when the dogpiles start. Because is someone getting dismissed out of hand simply because they're not "saying the right things?" Or because they didn't use the right buzzwords, or whatever kind of trivial offenses people drum up these days to ensure they don't have to listen to someone they potentially won't agree with?

Whatever happened to actually vetting people's arguments? Or is that something nobody bothers with anymore because it's too much work?

Please enough with this "silencing of dissent" stuff. It's nothing of the sort. The people who made this forum are allowed to dictate what is said and where as it is THEIRS. If you don't like that too bad. That's life. And in any case this wouldn't even be an issue in the first place if he had just posted his thoughts in the discussion forums where it belonged.
 
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