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Bill_Buttlicker

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I see some people here aren't supporters of freedom of speech.
My Post is a comparison between a solid dev and someone who grabs money without delivering.
Tbh not only icstor is better, adeptussteve and even DarkCookie are better than ic...

You really have no concept of what "freedom of speech" even means. All it entails is that the government cannot restrict what you say unless it specifically causes harm/chaos like shouting "fire" in a crowded room. It has nothing to do with other venues, people or businesses not being allowed to restrict what you want to say.
 

ae77

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Hi guys, i using Walk through for this game and i can't find
"Morning Meet Linda in the Living room, Go to linda bedroom click the book
located in Shelves"

I can't see book in her room
please help me
thanks
 

Asherdumort

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Hi guys, i using Walk through for this game and i can't find
"Morning Meet Linda in the Living room, Go to linda bedroom click the book
located in Shelves"

I can't see book in her room
please help me
thanks
IF it's the book I'm thinking of.. you will see it on the nightstand to the right of the bed.
 
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BoykaBoykov

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Didn't insult Icstor.
I compared workflows of two devs from the same genre.
I donated to Icstor 3 Years and even after he abandoned 2 games i kept supporting him.
But after he took the money and didn`t deliever anything i stopped and looked for better ones.
You guys need to calm down and stop defending such behavior.
Hands down Milfy City was one of the best h games.
To bad he decided to take the wrong turn.

ps Critisism should be allowed
 

401Grem

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Didn't insult Icstor.
I compared workflows of two devs from the same genre.
I donated to Icstor 3 Years and even after he abandoned 2 games i kept supporting him.
But after he took the money and didn`t deliever anything i stopped and looked for better ones.
You guys need to calm down and stop defending such behavior.
Hands down Milfy City was one of the best h best games.
To bad he decided to take the wrong turn.

ps Critisism should be allowed
Well, free speach here is not a right or entitlement, it's a privilege, which can be revoked. IMHO, defamation is a valid reason for revocation.
 
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cabron12345

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I already searched the entire topic and did not find it. I followed the Steps of the First Page and Nothing.

Can anyone pass me the complete savegame from version 0.5?
 
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Icstor need 4 Years to learn how to make a good game (i mean Milfy City) (btw all his games before was bs)
After he find out how to make a good game he charged 5 Months Money without delivering anything not even
the small Caroline Update he promised.
Plus he took the Money for April and he lied that he will immediately pause his money sucking after March.
And what we saw now...
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Stiglet on the other Hand made a better game than Icstor with the first try
and he doesn't lie and drops every 6 weeks 1 great Update,
with tons of Animations new Scenes, great Story, new Characters & great overall Quality

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(BTW Stiglet earns far less than Icstor)

Truth be told i dont really care if this guy is promoting this game or not, he sure has some valid points regarding the Milfy City progress.

Still, i am here for the porn and nothing else , so THANK YOU MAN for the info in this game, i am downloading it as we speak.

Cheers.


:) :)
 
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Vordertur

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Well, free speach here is not a right or entitlement, it's a privilege, which can be revoked. IMHO, defamation is a valid reason for revocation.
Ok, a little bit of Devil's Advocate here:

Everyone's harping on the technical/legal definition of "free speech." i.e. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution which allows for freedom of religion, of speech, assembly, the press, and all that other good stuff. And yes, that's not applicable here because this is a private forum where the rules are not set by any governmental organization but by the people who own/operate said forum.

Right. Asked and answered.

But, and I think it's disingenuous to try and deny that this sort of thing exists, there is always a "hive-mind" mentality on any public forum - an established circle-jerk narrative. A bunch of people who tend to control what opinions are "allowed" and which ones aren't. If you have an unpopular opinion, you're basically just shouted down because no one wants to hear it. It's standard operating procedure just about everywhere you go, and sometimes it's organized and malicious, and other times it's simply because many people's normal, knee-jerk reaction to hearing something they don't agree with is to effectively jam their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" at the top of their lungs.

The end result is still basically the same: the silencing of dissent in whatever form it comes in.

Now here's the thing: I'm not trying to argue that every single voice deserves to be heard. Some people really are just trying to scream in the dark and contribute nothing meaningful to a conversation. But on the other hand, there are some people who do try to bring something useful to the table, and this is why I always roll my eyes when the dogpiles start. Because is someone getting dismissed out of hand simply because they're not "saying the right things?" Or because they didn't use the right buzzwords, or whatever kind of trivial offenses people drum up these days to ensure they don't have to listen to someone they potentially won't agree with?

Whatever happened to actually vetting people's arguments? Or is that something nobody bothers with anymore because it's too much work?
 

BoykaBoykov

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@Vordertur

Thanks mate.


Some supporters of Icstor don't understand that defending bad behaviour help scammers.

I and many others supported Icstor for a long time but that doesn't mean we need to tolerate everything he does and need to shut up.

And for all this conspiracy theories out there no i am not stiglet, adeptussteve, DC or any other adult game dev.
I am the opposite i donate money to help devs creating great content.
But if someone don't hold his promise i cancel my pledge.

In a nutshell how i understood f95 rules is you can say whatever you want but don't insult anybody and don't talk about politics & religion.

That's the same rules, Darkcookie made in his Picarto & Discord chat and i am very confy with it.

I checked my postings and there is no insult.

Last Point, i didn't make a comparison between Apples & Cars.

I compared similar 3D Adult Games and i think that's totally fair.

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Bill_Buttlicker

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Ok, a little bit of Devil's Advocate here:

Everyone's harping on the technical/legal definition of "free speech." i.e. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution which allows for freedom of religion, of speech, assembly, the press, and all that other good stuff. And yes, that's not applicable here because this is a private forum where the rules are not set by any governmental organization but by the people who own/operate said forum.

Right. Asked and answered.

But, and I think it's disingenuous to try and deny that this sort of thing exists, there is always a "hive-mind" mentality on any public forum - an established circle-jerk narrative. A bunch of people who tend to control what opinions are "allowed" and which ones aren't. If you have an unpopular opinion, you're basically just shouted down because no one wants to hear it. It's standard operating procedure just about everywhere you go, and sometimes it's organized and malicious, and other times it's simply because many people's normal, knee-jerk reaction to hearing something they don't agree with is to effectively jam their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" at the top of their lungs.

The end result is still basically the same: the silencing of dissent in whatever form it comes in.

Now here's the thing: I'm not trying to argue that every single voice deserves to be heard. Some people really are just trying to scream in the dark and contribute nothing meaningful to a conversation. But on the other hand, there are some people who do try to bring something useful to the table, and this is why I always roll my eyes when the dogpiles start. Because is someone getting dismissed out of hand simply because they're not "saying the right things?" Or because they didn't use the right buzzwords, or whatever kind of trivial offenses people drum up these days to ensure they don't have to listen to someone they potentially won't agree with?

Whatever happened to actually vetting people's arguments? Or is that something nobody bothers with anymore because it's too much work?

Please enough with this "silencing of dissent" stuff. It's nothing of the sort. The people who made this forum are allowed to dictate what is said and where as it is THEIRS. If you don't like that too bad. That's life. And in any case this wouldn't even be an issue in the first place if he had just posted his thoughts in the discussion forums where it belonged.
 

Vordertur

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Please enough with this "silencing of dissent" stuff. It's nothing of the sort. The people who made this forum are allowed to dictate what is said and where as it is THEIRS. If you don't like that too bad. That's life. And in any case this wouldn't even be an issue in the first place if he had just posted his thoughts in the discussion forums where it belonged.
(Headdesk)

So, did you read what I actually posted, or did you just skim it, decide you didn't like what it said, and reject the whole post out of hand? Because that sure as shit seems like what you did.

I flat out said that OF COURSE the moderators on this forum are allowed to dictate what is allowed on the board and what isn't allowed on the board. I clearly admit that. What I THEN go on to say is that seeing as how it's a DISCUSSION forum, it is usually in the best interests (as in, it promotes DISCUSSION) to allow a myriad of viewpoints to be posted so that people with differing views can meet, realize that there are people in the world who do not necessarily agree with each other, and then they can DISCUSS as to why they don't agree with each other.

Look, I can't speak for anyone else's academic training, but the first thing I learned when I was an undergrad was this principle: "People aren't always going to agree with you. This is not the end of the world. It is therefore imperative to talk about why you don't agree about things and maybe they'll convince you, maybe you'll convince them, or maybe you'll just decide you're never going to agree and you both walk away with no hard feelings. But it is important that you TALK."

This is something that is getting lost these days because "No. You're wrong. I don't want to hear about it. And also, you're a Nazi."

Again, for the record, I do not dispute the idea that it is well within the rights of the people who run this board to shut down whatever it is they don't like. I do, however, think that it works contrary to the purposes of a DISCUSSION board. Now you want to argue the technicality that "Well, this post doesn't belong here, but it does belong there, etc. etc." Ok, fine, that's a different topic. And you may just be right about that, but that's not the argument you were putting forward a moment ago. The argument you were putting forth a moment ago was basically "I (or whoever is in charge here) can tell you to shut up... so... shut up."

See my point?
 

Bill_Buttlicker

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(Headdesk)

So, did you read what I actually posted, or did you just skim it, decide you didn't like what it said, and reject the whole post out of hand? Because that sure as shit seems like what you did.

I flat out said that OF COURSE the moderators on this forum are allowed to dictate what is allowed on the board and what isn't allowed on the board. I clearly admit that. What I THEN go on to say is that seeing as how it's a DISCUSSION forum, it is usually in the best interests (as in, it promotes DISCUSSION) to allow a myriad of viewpoints to be posted so that people with differing views can meet, realize that there are people in the world who do not necessarily agree with each other, and then they can DISCUSS as to why they don't agree with each other.

Look, I can't speak for anyone else's academic training, but the first thing I learned when I was an undergrad was this principle: "People aren't always going to agree with you. This is not the end of the world. It is therefore imperative to talk about why you don't agree about things and maybe they'll convince you, maybe you'll convince them, or maybe you'll just decide you're never going to agree and you both walk away with no hard feelings. But it is important that you TALK."

This is something that is getting lost these days because "No. You're wrong. I don't want to hear about it. And also, you're a Nazi."

Again, for the record, I do not dispute the idea that it is well within the rights of the people who run this board to shut down whatever it is they don't like. I do, however, think that it works contrary to the purposes of a DISCUSSION board. Now you want to argue the technicality that "Well, this post doesn't belong here, but it does belong there, etc. etc." Ok, fine, that's a different topic. And you may just be right about that, but that's not the argument you were putting forward a moment ago. The argument you were putting forth a moment ago was basically "I (or whoever is in charge here) can tell you to shut up... so... shut up."

See my point?

I did read your post. Did you read mine or just skim it? He posted his opinion in the wrong forum. The end.
 
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