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Nowhere does it indicate that that Veronica and Franceska are a couple and ONLY lesbians with one another. If people paid attention to Nicole's conversation BEFORE the lesbian scene you'd understand that the effect/need for having an orgasm ups the percentage for thinking power. They're getting their THINK on before the workday begins. The MC was already being serviced by the wait staff while they were together. After the workday concluded, per the schedule, the MC was to have dinner. AFTER dinner, the MC and staff have free time. We don't know what happens after free time as that is where the update ends.

The MC was laid no less than 9x before his work session (The law office, limo ride, overnight with Anna, and a BJ by Ellie). Everyone is losing their shit because he lost out on a scene with the two scientists? For real?! He was completely absorbed in his work, lost track of time, and had to be reminded that the workday had come to an end. These women were most likely hooking up during the interim of when the uncle died and the MC arrived at the mansion to keep their peak brain activity going. It's not the end of world. You will, most likely, have a crack at them. You didn't lose any content!
Ok, I will bite. If they only need an orgasm to up their thinking power,
couldn't they just do self-love? Why do they need to fuck each other to get an orgasm?
To me, it's another case of adding lesbian, just to add it. To me, it really doesn't fit the story to me.

It's not about losing content, It's about the principle. I want a harem, not a poly where the girls
are already fucking each other and having sex without the MC.

TBH, if they were already hooking up before the MC, Then it should stop when the mc arrived since it says the girls are devoted to the MC. It might not be the end of the world and I agree, But if you played a ton of harems and seen
the same story with lesbian being forced in everything without a choice to avoid it, or make it optional,
then you would be tired too, unless you don't mind. Then in that case, you don't speak for people who do.

It doesn't matter if the MC was serviced, Not everyone is into lesbian and want some say because
lesbian is in EVERY harem nowadays and most of the time unavoidable.
 

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Ok, I will bite. If they only need an orgasm to up their thinking power,
couldn't they just do self-love? Why do they need to fuck each other to get an orgasm?
To me, it's another case of adding lesbian, just to add it. To me, it really doesn't fit the story to me.

It's not about losing content, It's about the principle. I want a harem, not a poly where the girls
are already fucking each other and having sex without the MC.

TBH, if they were already hooking up before the MC, Then it should stop when the mc arrived since it says the girls are devoted to the MC. It might not be the end of the world and I agree, But if you played a ton of harems and seen
the same story with lesbian being forced in everything without a choice to avoid it, or make it optional,
then you would be tired too, unless you don't mind. Then in that case, you don't speak for people who do.

It doesn't matter if the MC was serviced, Not everyone is into lesbian and want some say because
lesbian is in EVERY harem nowadays and most of the time unavoidable.
I agree Lesbian/Bi content should be avoidable. Not everybody is into lesbian stuff. If NTR or swinging can be avoided in certain games then Lesbian content can to. I've brought this up before in many threads and I get belittled because i'm not in lesbian play. Also many like to say it's more realistic to have your Li to turn Bi to justify a Harem than MC having a Magic dick. Which is dumb if you ask me. I don't think they justifying a Harem they Justifying having lesbian content. Cause once your Li turn bi and start having sex with each other then it's not a Harem any more. The Dev's on this site has ruined Harem stories for me. To me using making Li Bisexual to justify a Harem sounds like this . (MC)Want to join my Harem? (Li) Nah. (MC) You can lick pussy if you join. (Li) OH Really ok I'll join for the pussy. Here's my version that sounds better. (MC) Wanna join my Harem? (Li) I'm not sure. (MC) I've got a huge dick. (Li) OH Really sure i'll join I love big dicks. This version makes a lot more sense if you ask me. Course needs better writing lol but sounds better. Or They just love MC so much they are willing to share sounds even better. Those of us that is tired of the same ole Lesbian/Bi Trope in Harem stories needs to start making more Noise on these threads. We need to make these Devs understand we're tired of it and we would like for them to start making it either No Lesbian/Bi content or Avoidable in future content or future games they create. We should have a voice to.
 
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Well, I've found the novel the dev... "took inspiration" from (it's copied word for word, with a few added choices and different character names and ages) and they're apparently in a commited relationship and not just helping each other for "science". Here's a short paragraph where the MC talks about getting to know Franceska:

"She had spent several years working for a Silicon Valley firm, designing the first smart phone LCD screens. She had hated the work and wanted to do something meaningful with her life. After applying to many grant programs working on clean energy projects, she had been recruited to work in the lab. After a week here she had fallen in love with the project, the manor and its grounds and the lifestyle. She and Mina had met and started a relationship, both deeply committed to one another."

*In the original version Veronica's name is Mina and Franceska's Hitomi
 

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Well, I've found the novel the dev... "took inspiration" from (it's copied word for word, with a few added choices and different character names and ages) and they're apparently in a commited relationship and not just helping each other for "science". Here's a short paragraph where the MC talks about getting to know Franceska:

"She had spent several years working for a Silicon Valley firm, designing the first smart phone LCD screens. She had hated the work and wanted to do something meaningful with her life. After applying to many grant programs working on clean energy projects, she had been recruited to work in the lab. After a week here she had fallen in love with the project, the manor and its grounds and the lifestyle. She and Mina had met and started a relationship, both deeply committed to one another."

*In the original version Veronica's name is Mina and Franceska's Hitomi
great :cautious:
 

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Well, I've found the novel the dev... "took inspiration" from (it's copied word for word, with a few added choices and different character names and ages) and they're apparently in a commited relationship and not just helping each other for "science". Here's a short paragraph where the MC talks about getting to know Franceska:

"She had spent several years working for a Silicon Valley firm, designing the first smart phone LCD screens. She had hated the work and wanted to do something meaningful with her life. After applying to many grant programs working on clean energy projects, she had been recruited to work in the lab. After a week here she had fallen in love with the project, the manor and its grounds and the lifestyle. She and Mina had met and started a relationship, both deeply committed to one another."

*In the original version Veronica's name is Mina and Franceska's Hitomi
If that's the case, then I hope it stays that way in the game as well. I've never been a fan of the MC hooking up with EVERY female that he encounters in an expansive story (where there are many female characters) anyway. 1) It robs the story of realism, and 2) writers/devs typically come up with ridiculous reasons/scenarios that ultimately devalue the overall narrative that they are trying to tell.

So if these two are in a committed relationship, then let it be what it is. We've already been introduced to 8 other female characters that the MC will ultimately have sex with (and have already had a sexual experience with 3 of them); and there will likely be a few more before it's all said and done. So having Veronica and Franceska NOT be love interests of the MC is perfectly fine with me. I just hope the dev doesn't force the issue with them. Don't concoct some nonsensical excuse for the 2 for them to start having sex with the MC. Just let them be background characters that help move the scientific aspects of the plot forward.

However, I agree with many of the posters here. As a player/reader I do not need to "see" the sexual side of their relationship. I only need to "hear" about it. The lesbo scene was a waste of development time IMO. LOL!

I do fear that it's there to setup up the easy threesome down the line though, because like someone already mentioned; it seems like devs can't have a harem without the females being into each other as well. It's become a trope.
 

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If that's the case, then I hope it stays that way in the game as well. I've never been a fan of the MC hooking up with EVERY female that he encounters in an expansive story (where there are many female characters) anyway. 1) It robs the story of realism, and 2) writers/devs typically come up with ridiculous reasons/scenarios that ultimately devalue the overall narrative that they are trying to tell.

So if these two are in a committed relationship, then let it be what it is. We've already been introduced to 8 other female characters that the MC will ultimately have sex with (and have already had a sexual experience with 3 of them); and there will likely be a few more before it's all said and done. So having Veronica and Franceska NOT be love interests of the MC is perfectly fine with me. I just hope the dev doesn't force the issue with them. Don't concoct some nonsensical excuse for the 2 for them to start having sex with the MC. Just let them be background characters that help move the scientific aspects of the plot forward.

However, I agree with many of the posters here. As a player/reader I do not need to "see" the sexual side of their relationship. I only need to "hear" about it. The lesbo scene was a waste of development time IMO. LOL!

I do fear that it's there to setup up the easy threesome down the line though, because like someone already mentioned; it seems like devs can't have a harem without the females being into each other as well. It's become a trope.
Your fear is justified. They are in a commited relationship to each other, but you'll still get to play their "flesh dildo" as a reward at some point.
 

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Is that how it played out in the book?
Yeah. I've just skimmed through the novel, because I wanted to see what kind of a relationship they have, without spoiling much of the rest of the story, so I'm not sure if it happens more than once, but there's at least one scene with them. It's actually a foursome since in one of the very few differences I've found between the novel and the VN, there's also a third woman working in the lab there.

The dev will have to change some things in the story going forward though, unless of course he's just going for a quick cash grab. The version of the novel I've found is 77 pages long and this release reached the content of page 47, so there's not much left from the source material.
 

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If that's the case, then I hope it stays that way in the game as well. I've never been a fan of the MC hooking up with EVERY female that he encounters in an expansive story (where there are many female characters) anyway. 1) It robs the story of realism, and 2) writers/devs typically come up with ridiculous reasons/scenarios that ultimately devalue the overall narrative that they are trying to tell.

So if these two are in a committed relationship, then let it be what it is. We've already been introduced to 8 other female characters that the MC will ultimately have sex with (and have already had a sexual experience with 3 of them); and there will likely be a few more before it's all said and done. So having Veronica and Franceska NOT be love interests of the MC is perfectly fine with me. I just hope the dev doesn't force the issue with them. Don't concoct some nonsensical excuse for the 2 for them to start having sex with the MC. Just let them be background characters that help move the scientific aspects of the plot forward.

However, I agree with many of the posters here. As a player/reader I do not need to "see" the sexual side of their relationship. I only need to "hear" about it. The lesbo scene was a waste of development time IMO. LOL!

I do fear that it's there to setup up the easy threesome down the line though, because like someone already mentioned; it seems like devs can't have a harem without the females being into each other as well. It's become a trope.

So they are in a committed relationship? Then that's fine, then give me an option to avoid them and not see or hear about their love life and only have me focus on the girls that are truly devoted to the MC who is not in a relationship, or fucking each other.

See, this sounds like another case of the human dildo. Joining in an already existing relationship, which I was never a fan of when it comes to harems, unless they join the harem and be truly devoted to the MC and not to each other.

If not, then a simple option to avoid them is all I want then. No skin off my back, like you said it's
way other women to go for. If they are just for the plot, then that's what they should be for in this case. I am not interested in a threesome with them to scratch their cock itch, either.
I don't care what anyone says, Lesbians don't belong in harem games in my opinion.
Bi girls? Fine, But girls who mostly prefer women and in a relationship with one don't
belong in harems.

When I play harems, I play for my relationship with the girls, not other people's relationship.
I don't need to see them fucking, I honestly don't even want to hear the juicy details either.
Not a concern to me at all, and I couldn't care less.

I don't care about realism, I care about enjoyment.

Nothing that I hate more than having to turn down women in harems.

I just hope they are the only lesbian/bi girls in the harem in a relationship with each other, or fucking each other.

If they cannot be turned down, then that's fine too, just going to move on.

People might think we are just whining and complaining, and it's not a big deal, And like I said
if you played so many harems, You would get tired of the same tale every time.

Like porndude1977 said, We have a voice too.
 
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gotmy223

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Yeah. I've just skimmed through the novel, because I wanted to see what kind of a relationship they have, without spoiling much of the rest of the story, so I'm not sure if it happens more than once, but there's at least one scene with them. It's actually a foursome since in one of the very few differences I've found between the novel and the VN, there's also a third woman working in the lab there.

The dev will have to change some things in the story going forward though, unless of course he's just going for a quick cash grab. The version of the novel I've found is 77 pages long and this release reached the content of page 47, so there's not much left from the source material.
So they are in a committed relationship? Then that's fine, then give me an option to avoid them and not see or hear about their love life and only have me focus on the girls that are truly devoted to the MC who is not in a relationship, or fucking each other.

See, this sounds like another case of the human dildo. Joining in an already existing relationship, which I was never a fan of when it comes to harem, unless they join the harem and be truly devoted to the MC and not to each other.

If not, then a simple option to avoid them is all I want then. No skin off my back, like you said it's
way other women to go for. If they are just for the plot, then that's what they should be for in this case.

I just hope they are the only lesbian/bi girls in the harem in a relationship with each other, or fucking each other.
I don't think that the characters should be avoided. I think the dev should have the courage to go against the grain for the sake of a good story. The novel basically setups up a flesh dildo relationship between the MC and the lesbians. If I'm the dev, I would improve on that by not having a sexual relationship between the MC and the lesbians at all. I wouldn't risk hurting my overall story for the sake of 2 characters. I honestly think it was a mistake introducing them as lesbo/bi to begin with, but what's done is done. I would make them colleagues and keep it moving. Introduce a 3rd (or 4th) character to the lab that is heterosexual if need be.

I think it's often a case of a developer saying, "I spent the time creating and rendering these characters, so they're getting fucked!" LOL!
 

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Ok, I will bite. If they only need an orgasm to up their thinking power,
couldn't they just do self-love? Why do they need to fuck each other to get an orgasm?
To me, it's another case of adding lesbian, just to add it. To me, it really doesn't fit the story to me.

It's not about losing content, It's about the principle. I want a harem, not a poly where the girls
are already fucking each other and having sex without the MC.

TBH, if they were already hooking up before the MC, Then it should stop when the mc arrived since it says the girls are devoted to the MC. It might not be the end of the world and I agree, But if you played a ton of harems and seen
the same story with lesbian being forced in everything without a choice to avoid it, or make it optional,
then you would be tired too, unless you don't mind. Then in that case, you don't speak for people who do.

It doesn't matter if the MC was serviced, Not everyone is into lesbian and want some say because
lesbian is in EVERY harem nowadays and most of the time unavoidable.
Maybe the author intends for them to not be part of the harem??? Who knows? I mean yes, if you go by the story line saying they all signed a contract stating they'd "service" the Master of Sussex then they should indeed be doing that.

The tag for the game is marked as a harem, but is the contract in game written that way? I mean the MC didn't even read the half of it? What if he's signed into a polyamorous contract? Is it just a case of mis-tagging by the developer? Would you not play the game if it was written as the women were devoted to one man, but they also fool around with each other (not in a cucking fashion)? Maybe the tag needs to be changed, but, in the end it is the developer's story to write the way he sees fit. To be fair, there hasn't been an offer on the table to be with them? Perhaps they're not part of the agreement?

Whatever the definition is of what is going on in the story, I enjoyed it. I'm not going to be a stickler over the tag between harem and polyamory as long as the women aren't cucking the MC in the process.
 
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Maybe the author intends for them to not be part of the harem??? Who knows? I mean yes, if you go by the story line saying they all signed a contract stating they'd "service" the Master of Sussex then they should indeed be doing that.

The tag for the game is marked as a harem, but is the contract in game written that way? I mean the MC didn't even read the half of it? What if he's signed into a polyamorous contract? Is it just a case of mis-tagging by the developer? Would you not play the game if it was written as the women were devoted to one man, but they also fool around with each other (not in a cucking fashion)? Maybe the tag needs to be changed, but, in the end it is the developer's story to write the way he sees fit. To be fair, there hasn't been an offer on the table to be with them? Perhaps they're not part of the agreement?

Whatever the definition is of what is going on in the story, I enjoyed it. I'm not going to be a stickler over the tag between harem and polyamory as long as the women aren't cucking the MC in the process.
i cant speak for others but yes if that where to be the case i wouldnt play it
 

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i cant speak for others but yes if that where to be the case i wouldn't play it
I get it. That's cool. I'm not trying to be a jerk about it. I understand if people want to play a true harem and ONLY a true harem and that the lesbian aspect of the LI's does not fit that definition. I myself am not particularly bothered by it as long as I can hook up with them as well, but, hey, that's my feelings on it. It's not by harem definition if you are holding the developer to the tags and true definition.
 

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Yeah. I've just skimmed through the novel, because I wanted to see what kind of a relationship they have, without spoiling much of the rest of the story, so I'm not sure if it happens more than once, but there's at least one scene with them.
While the game is based on one story, it actually takes a little bit from another story of the same author. The scene in the limousine is from another novel, if I'm not mistaken.

At the end of this one though, the lab assistants eventually re-express their devotion and bind themselves to the MC, along with the other women. So it's really more of those two in particular being closer to each other and more bi than the rest. (The other women do get frisky with each other in an all out orgy scenario when they're with the MC, but for the most part they're more focused on him, their young master.)

Not sure how the dev plans to adapt the later scenes from the novel, while giving the player some measure of choice, but this is one of those scenarios that's a harem from the beginning.
 

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While the game is based on one story, it actually takes a little bit from another story of the same author. The scene in the limousine is from another novel, if I'm not mistaken.

At the end of this one though, the lab assistants eventually re-express their devotion and bind themselves to the MC, along with the other women. So it's really more of those two in particular being closer to each other and more bi than the rest. (The other women do get frisky with each other in an all out orgy scenario when they're with the MC, but for the most part they're more focused on him, their young master.)

Not sure how the dev plans to adapt the later scenes from the novel, while giving the player some measure of choice, but this is one of those scenarios that's a harem from the beginning.
I wouldn't call being the third wheel in a lesbian couple a harem scenario, but to each their own. I didn't read the entire novel, but only searched a few key words to find the scenes I wanted to check, to avoid as many spoilers as possible, but if what you wrote is true (that all the girls are bi and not just those two) it's probably time for me to unwatch this thread.
 
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