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The choice seems integral if you want to start the Octavia route or not. Checking over the game again, if you don't do the first choice, you can't engage in any scenes with Octavia down the line, as she essentially becomes a side character for the MC. The second choice doesn't really impact the routes for the other characters, so don't worry if you want to also pursue them, as it just affects the relationship with Octavia directly.
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Mild spoilers ahead!
I have an irresistible urge to continue to whine about Octavia and I guess Claudia too, now.
Have been giving additional thought on why I wasn't completely satisfied with her scene at Day 18 and I guess I know the reason now. To put it short this scene could've happened between any of the club's girls - and any of the patrons.
It doesn't really takes into account her personality, nor does it show any changes in her personality convincingly. She's just all of a sudden transformed into a professional sex worker, who just diligently does her job in a nonchalant manner, almost as if it is everyday routine for her. As I just said, any Mask's girl could be on her place and the scene wouldn't change much. Perhaps that's what developers are aiming for; perhaps they want to show her transformation into a professional "escort" in the corruption path. If that's the case, they have every right to do that. The problem, however, is that we haven't been shown that transformation, it already happened somewhere off-stage. As if by a turn of some switch. In the first scene she was reluctant, ashamed yet determined. Now she's just determined to please her customer. And that's only the second scene we have with her! That's it I guess, her corruption path is over, time for MC to move on to other girls.
Or rather let's move on to MC. Same as with Octavia, the scene doesn't really show his personality or character development. He just sits and accepts anything she does. His only emotion is being (pleasantly) surprised. He doesn't corrupt her. He's being rather a passive object, not an active party. In this scene a player doesn't exercise any agency, and MC doesn't display any agency. Which is strange, since earlier in the game MC was thinking to himself "prepare your anus, Octavia, I'm gonna take my revenge on you, and my cock is as hard as this morning's exam". But when it came to the scene, all he's doing is just sitting and thinking to himself "wow, I can't believe what's happening". Instead of him saying "tonight I'm going to request something extra from you", we have her going "tonight I'm going to do something extra".
There's hardly any meaningful interaction between them, just physical sex. Sex between a prostitute ready to do that with anyone and her faceless customer. Not between Octavia and MC.
Things could've been different, more emotional, more personal, more intimate. There's a plethora of ways to develop their relationship deeper than occasional sex. I imagine someone like her would try to somehow rationalize the whole situation she's in, instead of just easily accepting that she's a prostitute now. For example she could start to appreciate the anonymous MC, start thinking about him not just as a walking prick but as of "the man who chose me over all the other girls". She's less experienced, she lacks "training", she's clumsy - and yet this rich, young, fit stud chose her. So she could rationalize what she does by going "I'm not just a sex toy for him, he chose me because I'm special in his eyes, may be because I'm very beautiful, may be there's something between us". Sort of the Stockholm syndrome. Or she could believe that pleasing MC protects her from something worse - if not for him, her exclusive visitor, she would probably end up "servicing" ugly fat guys every evening; a new guy every evening, doing god knows what to her. Or ironically enough she could perceive MC as her teacher that, with his requests, helps her to awaken and develop parts of her sexuality she didn't even know existed - while in reality he's just a horny teenager living out his fantasies.
On that note I will wrap up my rant. Of course, I don't expect the devs to change what's already in the game, I merely want to facilitate the discussion on character's personalities and motives.
I have an irresistible urge to continue to whine about Octavia and I guess Claudia too, now.
Have been giving additional thought on why I wasn't completely satisfied with her scene at Day 18 and I guess I know the reason now. To put it short this scene could've happened between any of the club's girls - and any of the patrons.
It doesn't really takes into account her personality, nor does it show any changes in her personality convincingly. She's just all of a sudden transformed into a professional sex worker, who just diligently does her job in a nonchalant manner, almost as if it is everyday routine for her. As I just said, any Mask's girl could be on her place and the scene wouldn't change much. Perhaps that's what developers are aiming for; perhaps they want to show her transformation into a professional "escort" in the corruption path. If that's the case, they have every right to do that. The problem, however, is that we haven't been shown that transformation, it already happened somewhere off-stage. As if by a turn of some switch. In the first scene she was reluctant, ashamed yet determined. Now she's just determined to please her customer. And that's only the second scene we have with her! That's it I guess, her corruption path is over, time for MC to move on to other girls.
Or rather let's move on to MC. Same as with Octavia, the scene doesn't really show his personality or character development. He just sits and accepts anything she does. His only emotion is being (pleasantly) surprised. He doesn't corrupt her. He's being rather a passive object, not an active party. In this scene a player doesn't exercise any agency, and MC doesn't display any agency. Which is strange, since earlier in the game MC was thinking to himself "prepare your anus, Octavia, I'm gonna take my revenge on you, and my cock is as hard as this morning's exam". But when it came to the scene, all he's doing is just sitting and thinking to himself "wow, I can't believe what's happening". Instead of him saying "tonight I'm going to request something extra from you", we have her going "tonight I'm going to do something extra".
There's hardly any meaningful interaction between them, just physical sex. Sex between a prostitute ready to do that with anyone and her faceless customer. Not between Octavia and MC.
Things could've been different, more emotional, more personal, more intimate. There's a plethora of ways to develop their relationship deeper than occasional sex. I imagine someone like her would try to somehow rationalize the whole situation she's in, instead of just easily accepting that she's a prostitute now. For example she could start to appreciate the anonymous MC, start thinking about him not just as a walking prick but as of "the man who chose me over all the other girls". She's less experienced, she lacks "training", she's clumsy - and yet this rich, young, fit stud chose her. So she could rationalize what she does by going "I'm not just a sex toy for him, he chose me because I'm special in his eyes, may be because I'm very beautiful, may be there's something between us". Sort of the Stockholm syndrome. Or she could believe that pleasing MC protects her from something worse - if not for him, her exclusive visitor, she would probably end up "servicing" ugly fat guys every evening; a new guy every evening, doing god knows what to her. Or ironically enough she could perceive MC as her teacher that, with his requests, helps her to awaken and develop parts of her sexuality she didn't even know existed - while in reality he's just a horny teenager living out his fantasies.
On that note I will wrap up my rant. Of course, I don't expect the devs to change what's already in the game, I merely want to facilitate the discussion on character's personalities and motives.
I can think of a number of additional 'snapshots' I would like the artist to add but the challenge I see is that each snapshot is crafted by the artist.
There are a limited number of snapshots, particularly when you add in the variations needed to build a decent animation, available for each update (and this is after going from one update/month to one update every two months).
Kuma and the artist are doing a great job 'spending' the snapshots where they will best tell the story and still allow the story to progress at a decent speed.
I think that this means that we will always be left wanting more which I am okay with since they are telling the story so well especially since this art style limits the number of snapshots available to help illustrate the story as it is being revealed to us.
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I as well concur, for now, we'll have to see how Octavia's story is by the time the game is finished, hopefully it can make the corruption path a bit more smoother in how the escalation of MC relationship with her is going.
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I get where you coming from and I'm very well aware of the limitations on the artworks quantity. But, you know... What's the point of having a luxury nightclub/stripclub setting without having at least one proper striptease scene?
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Though I get where your coming from and do agree with your point, I think PaxHadrian17 is practically right on this subject, as really the issue comes down to money and time needed for art, as there needs to be some type of compromise. For the most part, the devs seem to be doing a pretty good job at balancing both, without needing to put walls of text for certain scenes or have a lot of art for a few scenes.
Though there are scenes, like the Mask strip and a lot of the massage scenes, exempting the recent one with art of Karen/Claudia, that are noticeably hindered by just being text. It would be nice for them to do more art for these scenes, but I would say you would have to compromise on other areas of development, which I don't think is a needed change right now.
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My post about striptease was just a lighthearted banter, not really an attempt at serious critique. But being completely serious, here's what I think: apart from the quality of art (which is undoubtedly gorgeous) MT possesses several great technical boons to its overall quality, such as:
a) complete voice-overs for several characters;
b) animated scenes;
c) custom-made music;
Now here's my subjective, personal opinion: I would prefer to have more static pictures (or series of static pictures with minor alterations) instead of having full-fledged animations. Do animated scenes make MT a unique 2D game, do they add unforgettable experience? Yes, undoubtedly so. Do I like them? I love them! But if I was forced to choose what to cut from the game - and people are probably going to hate me for saying so - the animations would be the first thing to hit the floor, because I believe that making them is the most time-consuming part of the artist's job.
a) complete voice-overs for several characters;
b) animated scenes;
c) custom-made music;
Now here's my subjective, personal opinion: I would prefer to have more static pictures (or series of static pictures with minor alterations) instead of having full-fledged animations. Do animated scenes make MT a unique 2D game, do they add unforgettable experience? Yes, undoubtedly so. Do I like them? I love them! But if I was forced to choose what to cut from the game - and people are probably going to hate me for saying so - the animations would be the first thing to hit the floor, because I believe that making them is the most time-consuming part of the artist's job.
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We may get the strip tease scene but - what if it is with Claudia?
While I would love both, Kuma may have already decided that a stripping scene (for those that choose to try to protect Claudia while she works at The Mask) for Claudia would be the hottest of the potential stripping scenes.
If I had to choose (and believe me - I'd love to have both Octavia and Claudia with hot stripping/crawling/ pick your favorite fantasy
at The Mask), I'd choose Claudia as she is my #1 girl.Kuma and the artist are balancing multiple paths so I don't know what the Claudia scenes at The Mask are going to be like (or the swim club for that matter) but they have the potential to be amazing!
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I'm very much ok with Claudia showing us some elegant dance moves. After all, she's number 2 in my personal list.
After all, I really, really doubt that MC/player who decides to both exploit Octavia and let his own mother to work in a brothel would stop at simply protecting Claudia.
So why not both in the same scene?
After all, I really, really doubt that MC/player who decides to both exploit Octavia and let his own mother to work in a brothel would stop at simply protecting Claudia.
I like the idea of both but the MC already told the Manager of The Mask that Claudia was not to receive Any special training (where he did not object to this with Octavia) - so I am wondering exactly how things will play out for the MC and Claudia at The Mask.
There are also multiple Octavia paths at The Mask - one romantic and one corrupting so, in the Octavia romantic path, perhaps Octavia and Claudia get to know the MC, and who he is, when they meet at The Mask. While Claudia would be shocked, she would, I think, be proud of her son for trying to protect Octavia and herself, once he revealed what he did to try to protect her. She would also have cause to be Very angry with her Sister for getting the MC involved, even though he is using those resources to try to protect Claudia and Octavia.
I'm not sure how things would play out when Claudia meets Octavia and the MC if the MC is on the Octavia corruption path. Imagine having Claudia watch the MC as Octavia shows off the special services she performs for just the MC. How would Claudia react and would she choose of her own volition to join in, especially since she owes Nothing to her Loser of a soon to be Ex-Husband Marcello who put her in this gilded cage, trying to pay off his debts.
There are many possibilities - which makes the upcoming days so rich with potential to shift the story onto one of many different tracks.
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I don't really think that a simple poledance would require any training. After all, she was quite good at posing for the photoshoot.
My thoughts exactly - there's ought to be a scene were Claudia witnesses Octavia servicing MC. She could just watch or she could join in depending on her own "corruption level" (did MC perform special massage technique, did he played the drinking game with her and Shirley etc.)
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So, Claudia is working at the Mask now? I haven't played the last update.
I would like to see that the MC can either save Claudia and become her exclusive client or fail to save her and she becomes a hooker at the club. It would be fun to watch.
Actually, there could a excelllent bad ending for this branch of the story. The MC fails to save Claudia from the club and one day he receives an invitation to a special event. When he comes to the club he sees Claudia being fucked on the stage by a bunch of bulls in front of everyone else. So the MC is crushed and so the end. That's the whole point of a bad ending - for something bad to happen. And what can be worse fro the the MC than watching his beloved mother being fucked by a bunch guys in front of him.
I would like to see that the MC can either save Claudia and become her exclusive client or fail to save her and she becomes a hooker at the club. It would be fun to watch.
Actually, there could a excelllent bad ending for this branch of the story. The MC fails to save Claudia from the club and one day he receives an invitation to a special event. When he comes to the club he sees Claudia being fucked on the stage by a bunch of bulls in front of everyone else. So the MC is crushed and so the end. That's the whole point of a bad ending - for something bad to happen. And what can be worse fro the the MC than watching his beloved mother being fucked by a bunch guys in front of him.
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3 minutes into the game and i fell asleep. The script is really boring. They described woman masturbating like 1000 words while normaly its 100 words or less. Facepalm reacting or whatever you want. That doesn't change my opinion.
Please make it simple for non-english speaker
Please make it simple for non-english speaker
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A through analysis my lord, would you please impart more wisdom upon our brows, we are truly not worthy of yee.
The Octavia scene in the latest update really did not live up to the hype. The art in that scene felt so jarring and out of place with the rest of the game. It feels very... coarse, and not soft & dreamy like every other sex scene. Maybe it'll benefit from a slight re-design.
You can just skip through text if you have problem with it. Most people enjoy slice of life type of thing and slower but more rewarding build up. And really, was there any reason to go full caps?
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You mean the pose itself? I do agree somewhat, it looks like something out of a cheap porn movie. But as much as I myself would like to see the scene changed; like at least putting high-heels on Octavia's feet to add some elegance to the pose, I really doubt that the developers can afford to redo visuals that already have been made.
Besides, I have to admit that the pose does correspond to the accompanying text, which describes a routine sex act between a professional prostitute and her client, as I put it earlier. While I don't think the situation itself fits Octavia's personality, the chosen pose does fit a "sex worker does her job while showing off her body for the camera" style.
One final thought - I would rather disagree that sex scenes in corruption routes (be it with Octavia or other characters) should be as soft as in the romantic routes. I believe that unlike romantic routes, where scenes should show us two people in love pleasuring each other, in the corruption routes MC should take more pro-active and, perhaps, even dominating role, being concerned only about his own pleasure - at the expense of his partner. After all, MC that goes to corruption path is not a good guy. And that assertiveness of his should be shown both in text and in chosen poses. Good examples would be the rough doggy-style with Claudia at restaurant's restroom (dominating pose) and Karen's deep throating (both dominating pose and dominating dialogue).