VN Ren'Py Completed Milky Touch [Final] [Studio Kuma]

[lordfridge9]

In his attempt to call out an obvious troll that people continue to feed two days in a row?

"He who continues to engage with a troll, in fact becomes a troll"
- Sun Tzu or something idk

 

[neodtst]

But it is.

I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than being a pimp. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, protecting and rearing a girl so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little slut - reading her Kamasutra, making her practice strip routine, making sure she had a healthy diet, educating her, playing with her. All of it has one simple result: her body is more enjoyable for the men that will eventually fuck her in every hole.

Raised the perfect whore? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random man who had nothing to do with the way she was trained up, who buys her. He gets to fuck her tight pussy. He gets the benefits of her submissive personality that came from the way you raised her.

As a man who's a pimp, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least years of your life simply to make a product for another man to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.

pls just don't , or we might have an anti NTR wincest bugger to trumpet father walking their daughter down the aisle is NTR and cuckoldry

 

[Arnav Dasari]

pls just don't , or we might have an anti NTR wincest bugger to trumpet father walking their daughter down the aisle is NTR and cuckoldry

Incest is wincest because it's the only form of sexual relationship that is not NTR for all parties involved.

 

[JerCrest01]

I wish there was a walkthrough mod for this game.

 

[Victarion000]

Personally, I prefer a normal daily-life theme game (like this one) but then the devs have chosen the cyber-punk style and I hope will be successful.

p/s: I wish that they would add a voice for Octavia. Me think they should voice Octavia instead of Karen.

 

[Arnav Dasari]

I wish that they would add a voice for Octavia. Me think they should voice Octavia instead of Karen.

Kinda too late for that.

 

[qazxsw80]

More than that, I feel that the relationship in the update between the MC and Claudia was totally unbelievable considering how they behaved toward each other in the past. Basically, in the previous updates, there was nothing happening between them to justify the Mc eating Claudia out in the broad daylight.

At least now I understand why that update (Chapter 20 Part 1) was so bad. The developers had already planned to abandon the game, so they decided to accelerate the story as fast as possible so that they can "conclude" it in a couple of updates. That's why in the story the MC all of sudden decided to eat Claudia out in the broad daylight and she happily agreed, and then the MC fucked her the same day. I bet the early version of the script was different: much slower and more realistic. Too bad.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I wish there was a walkthrough mod for this game.

There is an in-game walkthrough. In order to see all the paths, you will need to make multiple saves though.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

At least now I understand why that update (Chapter 20 Part 1) was so bad. The developers had already planned to abandon the game, so they decided to accelerate the story as fast as possible so that they can "conclude" it in a couple of updates. That's why in the story the MC all of sudden decided to eat Claudia out in the broad daylight and she happily agreed, and then the MC fucked her the same day. I bet the early version of the script was different: much slower and more realistic. Too bad.

I really enjoyed both chapters of Mossland and think that the scenes where Claudia gets and gives oral are both great and fit with the character development of her romance path (versus sending her to The Mask for training).

It was the culmination of many MC Claudia encounters (including sex) but this was the first time that Claudia could not act like it was the alcohol.

It also followed several scenes at Mossland setting the stage for the MC taking the relationship to the next level.

If you follow the massage route - then the MC will have already brought Claudia to orgasm, using his hands, at least 3 different times.

There is also the stripping game with Shirley where Claudia ends up getting fully naked for the MC.

At Mossland - the MC finally pushes her to acknowledge that she and the MC were abandoned by Marcello - her scumbag husband - who went so far as to steal from she and the MC, putting them at risk with loan sharks.

This leads Claudia to accepting the MC and getting/giving oral depending on the choice you made at Mossland.

This was a slow burn for those of us who supported Kuma and resourcing was mentioned as a concern by Kuma a number of times over the last year.

Is Milky Touch being cut short due to insufficient resourcing - Yes.

There were simply not enough Patreons supporting this AVN with enough $ for it to continue.

We already lost some of the voice acting about 6 months ago and Kuma has said he hopes to finish with voice acting for Claudia and Karen (so no more Riley and no Octavia).


For those here on F95 who say that they are giving 'free marketing' by taking each Milky Touch chapter for free (you like it enough to keep coming back and taking the next chapter for free - but never supported with $) - you win!

Your 'free marketing' does not pay Kuma for hardware, software, electricity, artist's time, or voice acting, for example. But, you know - other than that - it is all free...

Milky Touch will at least get some kind of ending versus just being abandoned, like too many AVNs on F95 that get so much 'free marketing.'

 

[qazxsw80]

It was the culmination of many MC Claudia encounters (including sex) but this was the first time that Claudia could not act like it was the alcohol.

It also followed several scenes at Mossland setting the stage for the MC taking the relationship to the next level.

If you follow the massage route - then the MC will have already brought Claudia to orgasm, using his hands, at least 3 different times.
At Mossland - the MC finally pushes her to acknowledge that she and the MC were abandoned by Marcello - her scumbag husband - who went so far as to steal from she and the MC, putting them at risk with loan sharks.

This leads Claudia to accepting the MC and getting/giving oral depending on the choice you made at Mossland

The MC doesn't "take the relationship to the next level" at Mossland. He simply kissed Claudia (which was alright) and then suddenly ate her out in public and fucked her. That's it. That is all the story development.
And if you followed the massage route, you must remember that Claudia didn't even know it was the MC who had given her the massage. There is no relationship building in that scene at all.
Yes, Claudia acknowledged that Marcello is a bad husband or whoever he is to her at that time. But so what? What it has to do with fucking her son? There is no any other relationship between the MC and Claudia, but a typical mother-son relationship. Not a single time, as far as I remember, Claudia really showed that she liked the MC as a man, not just as a son.
More than that, Marcello hasn't abandoned anyone yet. He's still leeching off of Claudia. Just a few days ago the MC talked to him at home in the living room. And then he plotted something against Marcello. Something we will not know anything about, since this branch is also abandoned.

This was a slow burn for those of us who supported Kuma and resourcing was mentioned as a concern by Kuma a number of times over the last year.

It was not a slow burn. It is a rushed story.

For those here on F95 who say that they are giving 'free marketing' by taking each Milky Touch chapter for free (you like it enough to keep coming back and taking the next chapter for free - but never supported with $) - you win!

Your 'free marketing' does not pay Kuma for hardware, software, electricity, artist's time, or voice acting, for example. But, you know - other than that - it is all free...

Milky Touch will at least get some kind of ending versus just being abandoned, like too many AVNs on F95 that get so much 'free marketing.'

Those who say that the so-called free marketing here is worth nothing are simply in denial. This thread alone has 3 300 000 views. More than that, many other websites repost games from here and they also have views, maybe millions. Those views attract people to their Patreon account. And some of those people do pay for the hardware, software and so on.
I bet that Milky Touch got almost all the initial support from this site alone. It is only after the game became quite popular that they started to cross-promote with other developers. Usually, you cannot do it when you have zero supporters yourself, at least not for free.

 

[lordfridge9]

The devs are way in over their heads. Almost 2.5k per month is pretty good. Going for more than that is already reaching some high levels. Yet they want 3.3k just to cover their costs and break even. They have really racked up some expenses without really thinking about it. On top of that, the story or characters never felt like the biggest and best selling point. The story was okay, but the many different characters and the many branching "paths" have made it "meh" for me. So the only reason I've keep following and are still a patron is the art. That's pretty much it

 

[neodtst]

So the developer would rush end this game and start a new game becoz MT not covering the costs?
I wonder whats the rationale behind this? Like do they somehow project the new game will generate more revenue , or the new game will radically be cut in cost?

 

[qazxsw80]

So the developer would rush end this game and start a new game becoz MT not covering the costs?
I wonder whats the rationale behind this? Like do they somehow project the new game will generate more revenue , or the new game will radically be cut in cost?

Probably the artist gets most of the money, and since the developer plans to keep him, I don't believe it would be cheaper to make the new game.
Probably the developer thinks that the new game is going to be much more succeful than Milky Touch. We can only guess why he thinks this way. Maybe he has some amazing script that he wants to realize or is planning to implement some interesting game mechanics that Milky Touch lacks. At least I hope so. If he is just planning to change the setting and is expecting to make more money just by doing that, then it is wishful thinking.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

The MC doesn't "take the relationship to the next level" at Mossland. He simply kissed Claudia (which was alright) and then suddenly ate her out in public and fucked her. That's it. That is all the story development.
And if you followed the massage route, you must remember that Claudia didn't even know it was the MC who had given her the massage. There is no relationship building in that scene at all.
Yes, Claudia acknowledged that Marcello is a bad husband or whoever he is to her at that time. But so what? What it has to do with fucking her son? There is no any other relationship between the MC and Claudia, but a typical mother-son relationship. Not a single time, as far as I remember, Claudia really showed that she liked the MC as a man, not just as a son.
More than that, Marcello hasn't abandoned anyone yet. He's still leeching off of Claudia. Just a few days ago the MC talked to him at home in the living room. And then he plotted something against Marcello. Something we will not know anything about, since this branch is also abandoned.


It was not a slow burn. It is a rushed story.


Those who say that the so-called free marketing here is worth nothing are simply in denial. This thread alone has 3 300 000 views. More than that, many other websites repost games from here and they also have views, maybe millions. Those views attract people to their Patreon account. And some of those people do pay for the hardware, software and so on.
I bet that Milky Touch got almost all the initial support from this site alone. It is only after the game became quite popular that they started to cross-promote with other developers. Usually, you cannot do it when you have zero supporters yourself, at least not for free.

I said that he gave Claudia 3 orgasms via massage, not that each one was a - 'Here I am Mom, ready to give you an orgasm with my massage skills'

For example - on Day 15, at night, Claudia came to the MC and asked to sleep in his bed.

He offered to give her a massage


Claudia accepted and positioned herself on the MC's bed



The MC massaged her and this ultimately led her to have an orgasm



I see a relationship evolving where Claudia on Day 1 would not have allowed this. I see her treating him as more than a man and you don't.

I don't see any number of images from Milky Touch that I or anyone else could include in a response as changing your mind. You are entrenched in your position and you're not going to move no matter what.

I see Mossland as the culmination of a slow burn and you don't.

We disagree ... and that changes the end game of Milky Touch... Not At All.

Whether someone sees the culmination of a slow burn in Mossland or they do not, in 6 months it will still be over.

All of the so called 'free marketing' will Not have translated into enough people willing to pay $ to support this great VN.

This will simply become another AVN that ends too soon, courtesy of a lack of $ support.

 

[JJJ84]

Probably the artist gets most of the money, and since the developer plans to keep him, I don't believe it would be cheaper to make the new game.
Probably the developer thinks that the new game is going to be much more succeful than Milky Touch. We can only guess why he thinks this way. Maybe he has some amazing script that he wants to realize or is planning to implement some interesting game mechanics that Milky Touch lacks. At least I hope so. If he is just planning to change the setting and is expecting to make more money just by doing that, then it is wishful thinking.

I'm not even sure the new game would generate as much support as Milky Touch.
Never played No more Golden Days, so MT was first title of Kuma that I've played, and I did like how its art style was unique compared to majority of other games in this site.

But with the MT being prematurely being cut earlier than probably originally intended, I think the lustre with game's art that I had initially when I started MT is there no more, and feel just art itself is no longer enough.

For Neon Touch to interest me, I guess it would need to have one hell of a crazy great story, as well as some gameplay mechanics for interaction to set it apart from others.
Unless that happens, don't really see myself being interested in it.

To add, Kuma has been saying $$ is the main reason MT is being cut short - well, with NT other than Patreons factor, what I'd say he should be doing is to abandon the whole voice acting and other possibly unnecessary additions that merely serve as the whole "icing on the cake." (got nothing against the voice actors, in fact, all characters voice acting in MT sounded lovely, having said that it by no means was necessary for the game to work, but merely something that was extra. Majority of games on this site don't contain voice acting, and heck some even don't have music in them, yet these games still get developed by devs).

 

[Kirel]

I agree that VA is the first thing that should go if the budget is tight. IMO, the cost is not worth it.

 

[JJJ84]

I agree that VA is the first thing that should go if the budget is tight. IMO, the cost is not worth it.

Yeah, also following might be divisive among people, but I'd say reduce the number of LIs and keep the cast of characters more tight.

For instance, MT had the issue of there being too many ladies with separate arcs going on in it, with the cast as following:

- Claudia
- Octavia
- Katelyn
- Ashley
- Karen
- Evelyn
- Riley
- Linda

Basically Linda was nothing but a throw away character, and out of the rest, only Claudia, Octavia, and Riley I feel had received from decent to good amount of focus on them (and with game ending in 2~3 updates, the rest either will get no development at all or rushed endings).

I mean huge cast of LIs works if the dev can sustain the game, but if not it would probably be best to have the cast a bit more compact in size rather than trying to branch out LIs and their arcs everywhere (like MT did).

 

[Furabia]

All of the so called 'free marketing' will Not have translated into enough people willing to pay $ to support this great VN.
This will simply become another AVN that ends too soon, courtesy of a lack of $ support.

But surely it must have translated into at least some amount of support that otherwise the devs wouldn't have, right? How come others are making good VN's with more or less the same level of support then?

You see, my point is that I dislike how it's being somewhat implied that MT being cut short is due to a lack of support or not enough support... because that's textbook shifting the blame from the devs to the supporters somehow.

I agree with JJJ84 and lordfridge9: this is more of a mismanagement of the game other than anything, and they also overestimated their game's quality. Just take a look at all of the objective 2-3 star reviews and they explain it pretty clearly.

So at least the devs should be upfront and say: "hey, we fucked up the game's management and spent a lot, and also we overestimated our game quality and the support that it would get (even tough we already get a considerable support...), so we're scrapping it up to try again with a new one". It's a huge red flag how they're blame shifting, and who guarantees that they won't mess up in the same way again?

 

[JJJ84]

this is more of a mismanagement of the game other than anything

Exactly. You pulled the words right out of my mouth.
This one sentence succinctly describes the game's "cut off short" situation and the whole "Why" it happened (without going into so many words/paragraphs like I did, heh).

who guarantees that they won't mess up in the same way again?

You know, if Kuma still does the whole Voice acting and all other "icing on the cake" extra stuff yet again with NT, well I guess I would be like,

 

[Arnav Dasari]

... what I'd say he should be doing is to abandon the whole voice acting and other possibly unnecessary additions that merely serve as the whole "icing on the cake." (got nothing against the voice actors, in fact, all characters voice acting in MT sounded lovely, having said that it by no means was necessary for the game to work, but merely something that was extra.

... I'd say reduce the number of LIs and keep the cast of characters more tight.

I concur on both points. In fact, for the latter point I made almost the same suggestion on their discord:

I believe it would be wise to bring down the list of available romanceable women to just three or four. That's what happened to MT after all - the game's wide scope got focused just on Claudia, Riley and Octavia, with many other character routes sidestepped or outright abandoned. That's understandable, because the artist can make only a definite amount of artwork in a month. So with the diminished amount of characters in NT the artist and the writers would have more time to dedicate to the main three heroines' scenes/routes. There are two main issues that people report about MT: A) A lot of text, not enough accompanying pictures; B) Things go way too slow. So, once again, if the amount of the routes/heroines would be smaller from the start, it would give your team an opportunity to: A) make more pictures for every scene; B) distribute scenes more evenly in time - so the first sex scene with a given character would happen in the 1/3 part of the plot, not in the 3/3 like it happened with Claudia and Riley in MT. I'm not saying that MC should ever screw only three females in the course of the plot, but all the other sex partners he'd meet should be treated either like one night stands or side characters in the main three routes - like, for example, Shirley scene was in Claudia's route - just a one time encounter, not a route in it's own right. This would help to avoid Linda's situation - a promising route that had to be abandoned.
Plus, even if it hurts me personally, I think it would be wise to decrease the non-linearity compared with MT. Like, for example, abandoning the idea of two different routes - a romance route and a corruption route, instead focusing on a single route for a single character. Or perhaps, keep the two routes - but only for one character in the entire game. If the game would gather steam and money, the branching story/routes could make a comeback closer to the end of the plot - to allow for several endings.