RPGM Completed Mirage's Defection [v1.04] [chimaLABO]

[Cpt.Briggs]

Recall the library rescue scene? Where you get a choice to call out to either Luna or kurone?

Thanks for another scene I missed!

Spoiler: In case anyone missed it as well

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To chip into the discussion, I liked the game, no complaining. Ideally wish that Luna could make her choices by herself based on my gameplay as Leo. Like wondering if my efforts worked after seeing her MP (and some MP management) decrease during the night and maybe seeing the real scene when Leo goes to sleep with tense music rising. Looking forward to the next game.

 

[Talos64]

I dont see where you people get these opinions. Obviously you are free to have them but I completely disagree. Luna is perfect for NTR. She is loyal to Leo to a fault which makes her perfect for NTR. Her devotion is so strong that its her weakness. All you have to do is use that weakness against her and its corruption time baby. Luna practically looks like she is a Succubus Army character just with her design alone.
Leo is focused on trying to learn as much about the treasure as he can while trying to be defend the Mansion and find the traitor all at the same time and he doesnt focus on what is happening with Luna. And once Luna gets corrupted she becomes so desperate to save Leo and due to her blind faith in his character that she doesnt realize Kurone is starting to sink her claws in him. Since nothing else matters to her but saving him trivial things like doing something lewd (which she does on assassinations anyway) become a quick and easy way to reach that goal and not such a big deal to her in the grand scheme of things. She believes she could never lose to a low class devil and that ends up being her downfall. He blind faith and obsession with Leo caused her to underestimate her enemy.
And since the game is called Mirage's Defection it was most likely intended for her to betray Leo and the Human side. The Dev even said on Ci-en that he used to have a route where Luna becomes corrupted by Iviel and then Sadi steals her from Iviel. She was always meant to defect to the evil side. Corruption and NTR are the genre's the dev enjoys making so why wouldn't the main heroine be used for those things?

I've seen arguments on both sides when it comes to the NTR on this game and my opinion stands somewhere in the middle. I do believe Luna can be NTR'd, she's not inmune by any means. Your point about underestimating Iviel is spot on I think. She can handle powerful demons easily so the idea of a simple imp defeating her is inconceivable to her. The moment she accepted the contract she became vulnerable as we don't really know just how strong it really is and even if it starts out having little effect it grows in power over time, meaning Luna believes it's not a big deal at first and by the time she recognizes it as a threat it might be too late. The problem I think is with the pacing, towards the end the NTR becomes more and more unrealistic. Another reason for the complaints might be related to the choices and how they impact the game, from Luna's perspective it doesn't really make sense to give in to Iviel. They sould have given more compelling reasons to choose the "bad options" and the fact that the choices don't really matter in the long run is a dissapointment. My first playthrough I chose to give in every time until Iviel demanded sex, then I stopped because I felt like that was a line Luna wouldn't cross but it didn't change anything. The only real choices are all or nothing. Overall I really enjoyed the game as it fills a niche that no other game does or at least very few do, which is NTR games where the NTR is meant to be overcome. It's not avoidable NTR where all the content is reserved for the bad endings and the true ending is usually a virgin route with no scenes, the NTR does happen but you can fight against it and ultimately the game wants you to win and achieve the happy ending. I like the positive note that these games end on and I hope the developer keeps making the canonical ending the best possible one. Stories like Kurone's are seen as tragic and something that the main cast must avoid at all cost, hopefully even Kurone will end up having a chance at redemption and a happy ending.

 

[sirviper235]

I dont see where you people get these opinions. Obviously you are free to have them but I completely disagree. Luna is perfect for NTR. She is loyal to Leo to a fault which makes her perfect for NTR. Her devotion is so strong that its her weakness. All you have to do is use that weakness against her and its corruption time baby. Luna practically looks like she is a Succubus Army character just with her design alone.
Leo is focused on trying to learn as much about the treasure as he can while trying to be defend the Mansion and find the traitor all at the same time and he doesnt focus on what is happening with Luna. And once Luna gets corrupted she becomes so desperate to save Leo and due to her blind faith in his character that she doesnt realize Kurone is starting to sink her claws in him. Since nothing else matters to her but saving him trivial things like doing something lewd (which she does on assassinations anyway) become a quick and easy way to reach that goal and not such a big deal to her in the grand scheme of things. She believes she could never lose to a low class devil and that ends up being her downfall. He blind faith and obsession with Leo caused her to underestimate her enemy.
And since the game is called Mirage's Defection it was most likely intended for her to betray Leo and the Human side. The Dev even said on Ci-en that he used to have a route where Luna becomes corrupted by Iviel and then Sadi steals her from Iviel. She was always meant to defect to the evil side. Corruption and NTR are the genre's the dev enjoys making so why wouldn't the main heroine be used for those things?

The problem is with what your saying. Eviru is a terrible match up for that type of story and character. He's too stupid. Too weak. Too...Everything to acutally accomplish what he does beacuse he's littearly not smart enouph.

The problem is not Luna herself. Yes she works for NTR. But the SPECIFIC type of NTR that would be needed for her is a master manipulator type that uses her devotion against her and sets up scenrios where Leo hurts her or snubs her to let him sink his claws in.

The game didn't do this. Which is the problem.

Also no. The title is just a name. The 'Canon' ending is actually the pure love one where Leo and Luna stay together and win. So she was never intended to defect/betray humanity. But i see where you are coming from.

Luna is simply used improperly in this game. And the game itself even ackndowlges that the NTR littearly shouldn't of worked. At all. In the NTR ending.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

The problem is with what your saying. Eviru is a terrible match up for that type of story and character. He's too stupid. Too weak. Too...Everything to acutally accomplish what he does beacuse he's littearly not smart enouph.

The problem is not Luna herself. Yes she works for NTR. But the SPECIFIC type of NTR that would be needed for her is a master manipulator type that uses her devotion against her and sets up scenrios where Leo hurts her or snubs her to let him sink his claws in.

The game didn't do this. Which is the problem.

Also no. The title is just a name. The 'Canon' ending is actually the pure love one where Leo and Luna stay together and win. So she was never intended to defect/betray humanity. But i see where you are coming from.

Luna is simply used improperly in this game. And the game itself even ackndowlges that the NTR littearly shouldn't of worked. At all. In the NTR ending.

Yea the game doesn't want Luna to fall. There is no punishment for resisting. Eviru was written as a joke. He doesn't push or try to make the situation more dire, to force the player's hand. Matter of fact... nothing forces your hand. Don't want to do it? Oh ok. And choosing to resist to the very end. Is not even out of place. Like some games with optional NTR. Choosing not to do it, can sometimes feel off. Like you know what they want you to pick. But they just giving you the option not to. Never once felt like that. Luna staying strong, made sense the whole way through. Hell, even Kurone later comes in with an alternative to save the MC.

Kotori for me, is the only thing that made this feel like an NTR game. Because she fell like a house of cards in a hurricane. Getting used like a public toilet. While going though all the NTR tropes.

 

[sirviper235]

Yea the game doesn't want Luna to fall. There is no punishment for resisting. Eviru was written as a joke. He doesn't push or try to make the situation more dire, to force the player's hand. Matter of fact... nothing forces your hand. Don't want to do it? Oh ok. And choosing to resist to the very end. Is not even out of place. Like some games with optional NTR. Choosing not to do it, can sometimes feel off. Like you know what they want you to pick. But they just giving you the option not to. Never once felt like that. Luna staying strong, made sense the whole way through. Hell, even Kurone later comes in with an alternative to save the MC.

Kotori for me, is the only thing that made this feel like an NTR game. Because she fell like a house of cards in a hurricane. Getting used like a public toilet. While going though all the NTR tropes.

Pretty much yeah.

Again, because it does feel like the creators realized at some point that the way Luna is written doesn’t work for the type of NTR they wanted to go with for this game.

Apparently, however, from what some people have said before, the game actually officially came out There was actually an artwork posted. Of kotori in a wedding dress on their pages.

It’s quite possible she was actually originally a lot more important and what we are seeing is actually the scrap remnants of her original story.

A part of me wonder if originally she was supposed to be more important and or already in a romantic relationship with Leo

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Pretty much yeah.

Again, because it does feel like the creators realized at some point that the way Luna is written doesn’t work for the type of NTR they wanted to go with for this game.

Apparently, however, from what some people have said before, the game actually officially came out There was actually an artwork posted. Of kotori in a wedding dress on their pages.

It’s quite possible she was actually originally a lot more important and what we are seeing is actually the scrap remnants of her original story.

A part of me wonder if originally she was supposed to be more important and or already in a romantic relationship with Leo

I wouldn't be surprised if she was. Now maybe she was always been meant to be a red herring. But it did seem like she was getting set up as a potential love rival. Even had her own stat page. And iirc, one of her earlier scenes with Eviru. They did the whole will they, won't they penetration thing. With her hovering over his dick with panties on, as if to tease it. I was under the impression that we had to save her, then nope. She gets fucked and goes through the whole NTR playbook. Without needing any input. And her whole thing just kept going. Sprinkling mention of the MC throughout it. As if it was supposed to hit hard. As if she was someone more then a random we just met.

Felt like a lot of effort. To be used on someone who ended up kinda being.... just there.

 

[Telolet]

If the writer makes ivieru more smart, more cunning, and more have idea, thats gonna be more interesting how to make strong wild woman like luna to fall down

But again, the writers goes like
Ivieru : "SUCK MY DICK!"
Luna : "no"
Ivieru : "ok, have a nice day"

Yeah, the curse goes stronger. But what makes it stronger? Nothing, you don't need anything to make it stronger. So if its doesn't need anything to make it stronger, why bother to give reject option to ivieru's demand. And its also not shown to us how struggle to bear the curse in vanilla route, she looks fine and curse look not get stronger. You know what worse? Even when she already full in ivieru's hand, loe still can get her back with only kiss, WTF with that. So yeah, the problem is not luna as ntr target but on how ivieru to ntr luna from leo.

 

[Testament34]

so if im in love with luna can i see ntr scenes? ? or i need decrease her love?

 

[Rugerrell6]

The problem is with what your saying. Eviru is a terrible match up for that type of story and character. He's too stupid. Too weak. Too...Everything to acutally accomplish what he does beacuse he's littearly not smart enouph.

The problem is not Luna herself. Yes she works for NTR. But the SPECIFIC type of NTR that would be needed for her is a master manipulator type that uses her devotion against her and sets up scenrios where Leo hurts her or snubs her to let him sink his claws in.

The game didn't do this. Which is the problem.

Also no. The title is just a name. The 'Canon' ending is actually the pure love one where Leo and Luna stay together and win. So she was never intended to defect/betray humanity. But i see where you are coming from.

Luna is simply used improperly in this game. And the game itself even ackndowlges that the NTR littearly shouldn't of worked. At all. In the NTR ending.

Of course thats the "Canon" ending because the series wouldn't be able to continue otherwise, just like in the first game Celia and Hayato beating Sadi is the "canon" ending because otherwise their story would end right there and they would become irrelevant characters. If every game in the series' bad endings were canon the story would not be able to continue. But even if you reach the true ending Luna always becomes corrupted no matter what so obviously her becoming corrupted by the devil has always been part of the story. Strong women being made to fall by scumbags is kind of the consistent trope in ntr so this game is not any different. And storys and games have Titles for a reason its not just a pointless label. A title of a story is meant to sum up what it is about in just a few words. I think most people know that. So the title Mirage's Defection is meant to convey a strong power on the human side defecting to the enemy side. And obviously since Luna wields mirage we know its meant for her. Maybe he didn't present the ntr in the best way but what he did do is give the players the options to see as many different outcomes as he could. Im willing to bet this forum would be flooded with people flaming this game if it only had bad ends for their waifu Luna. So what the dev did at the end of the day was a smart move. He made his characters more beloved then just expendable fleshpots.

 

[sirviper235]

Of course thats the "Canon" ending because the series wouldn't be able to continue otherwise, just like in the first game Celia and Hayato beating Sadi is the "canon" ending because otherwise their story would end right there and they would become irrelevant characters. If every game in the series' bad endings were canon the story would not be able to continue. But even if you reach the true ending Luna always becomes corrupted no matter what so obviously her becoming corrupted by the devil has always been part of the story. Strong women being made to fall by scumbags is kind of the consistent trope in ntr so this game is not any different. And storys and games have Titles for a reason its not just a pointless label. A title of a story is meant to sum up what it is about in just a few words. I think most people know that. So the title Mirage's Defection is meant to convey a strong power on the human side defecting to the enemy side. And obviously since Luna wields mirage we know its meant for her. Maybe he didn't present the ntr in the best way but what he did do is give the players the options to see as many different outcomes as he could. Im willing to bet this forum would be flooded with people flaming this game if it only had bad ends for their waifu Luna. So what the dev did at the end of the day was a smart move. He made his characters more beloved then just expendable fleshpots.

You do know that defection means to actually fully join the other side, right? Also. No. Luna is only corrupted in the NTR ending. And that’s undisputed because you know she literally changes eyes and gets a new power and considering she doesn’t do that in the good ending, she’s not corrupted. There is a very clear difference.

But again, I do see where you’re coming from. I just think you’re kind of over selling it.